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Thorolfr said:
Many European countries such as France have virtually free college education which is paid for from tax revenues. It’s certainly a much better way to have spent their tax money than what we did by pouring over a trillion dollars down the drain for an ill-advised war in Iraq. Just think of how many people we could have sent to college on the $1.7 trillion we wasted in Iraq.
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The French are highly restrictive in who they allow to attend their very cheap Universities. You must follow a prescribed set of rules and pass a series of grueling tests starting early in high school.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Not at all. That is a false assumption.
I seldom see something being rejected without being read because it comes from the New York Times or Huffington Post. Try to come up with any similar terms for left wing MSM journals such as what is daily fare here, such as FAUX News, or the Daily Heil.

Pointing out that a point of view has a left wing does not mean that people have refrained from reading it. Indeed, the left wing point of view is default now in the media and in the education system. It is impossible NOT to be exposed to the left wing point of view on its own terms. It is imbued into the very culture.
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You could go to Stephen Gowans’ website. You could also tell me how his views on foreign policy have been imbued into “the very culture”.
 
TobyLue said:
I heard HRC on TV today make the following statement which I believe she made last year regarding abortion. “… cultural and religious beliefs have to change.” In other words, the CC better get on board and change their teachings on abortions.

Seems like Kaine already flip-flopped and now favors repeal of the Hyde Amendment to allow Medicare to pay for women’s abortion. So much for being a “devout” Catholic. This from Christianity Today “Catholic priest bans Hillary Clinton’s VP bet Tim Kaine from taking Holy Communion in his church.” Wow, I wonder if Kaine has been approached on this. Why would a priest do such a thing to a “devout” Catholic?

In contrast see this from Trump. It seems like Christians and especially Catholics can be shut up by threats, but the time has come to say “NO MORE!”
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Pelosi said the same thing yesterday- she said the reason “uneducated” white males often vote against their economic interests ( translation they vote for Republican) are them 3G’s . God, guns, gays- after she mentioned God she said they used him as an excuse to oppose a woman’s right to choose and that such beliefs needed to be changed
 
Theo520 said:
The French are highly restrictive in who they allow to attend their very cheap Universities. You must follow a prescribed set of rules and pass a series of grueling tests starting early in high school.
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Well, of course. If you are not ready for college, you should not waste your time and other people’s money by going to college. That does not detract from the value of making college available to those who are ready, regardless of their ability to pay.
 
Pelosi says Clinton struggles with white male vote because of 'guns, gays and God

“I think that, so many times, white — non-college-educated white males have voted Republican. They voted against their own economic interests because of guns, because of gays, and because of God, the three G’s, God being the woman’s right to choose,” Pelosi told PBS’s Judy Woodruff in an interview Wednesda

foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/28/pelosi-says-clinton-struggles-with-white-male-vote-because-guns-gays-and-god.html
 
Community college is not that expensive. I went to one for my college degree.

Maybe she should encourage working hard in high school and getting good grades instead of expecting free college education.
 
estesbob said:
Pelosi says Clinton struggles with white male vote because of 'guns, gays and God

“I think that, so many times, white — non-college-educated white males have voted Republican. They voted against their own economic interests because of guns, because of gays, and because of God, the three G’s, God being the woman’s right to choose,” Pelosi told PBS’s Judy Woodruff in an interview Wednesda

foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/28/pelosi-says-clinton-struggles-with-white-male-vote-because-guns-gays-and-god.html
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Nancy should retire. Her senility is showing.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Well, of course. If you are not ready for college, you should not waste your time and other people’s money by going to college. That does not detract from the value of making college available to those who are ready, regardless of their ability to pay.
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How about working so you can go? I did, and many others I know did.
 
7_Sorrows said:
wow! that is disgraceful! I wonder where all that money goes?
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Their bank accounts? Their campaigns? I don’t know. I guess that money is separate from the money Hillary Clinton got from the speeches she gave. Presumably these bankers are giving this money because they think it will provide them influence? The bankers have given significantly more, based on that list, to Clinton, than they have to Trump. Presumably, these bankers think Clinton would be better for bankers if she became President, rather than Trump?
 
estesbob said:
Pelosi said the same thing yesterday- she said the reason “uneducated” white males often vote against their economic interests ( translation they vote for Republican) are them 3G’s . God, guns, gays- after she mentioned God she said they used him as an excuse to oppose a woman’s right to choose and that such beliefs needed to be changed
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Back when I was a Democrat activist, I used to say the same thing. “Why would these (largely working class Repub) people vote against their own interests.” I believe that back then it was true.

Now that the Dem party does absolutely nothing for working people or the poor and offers them essentially nothing but abortion, and hasn’t for years, but exposes them and their family to ever-increasing worldwide terrorism, ever-increasing costs of living, the tender mercies of big business, and prosletizing of sexual perversion to their children, the situation is reversed. I now wonder, when people support Democrats “Why would these people vote against their own interests”.

But many do. 🤷
 
mary_bobo said:
How about working so you can go? I did, and many others I know did.
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Still tough. In New York, SUNY tuition, for a full-time, in-state student, in residence, pursuing a B.A. or a B.S., comes to something over $20,000 per year.

If you’re a New York City resident, you can attend one of the City University’s colleges for a bit over $6,000 per year, full-time. CUNY does not have residential facilities – you’ll have to live with your parents or find other (very expensive, in NYC) housing. That is just about the least expensive college degree one can get in New York.

Private colleges and universities can, and do, charge multiples of that cost.
 
jediliz said:
Community college is not that expensive. I went to one for my college degree.

Maybe she should encourage working hard in high school and getting good grades instead of expecting free college education.
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I’ll get blasted for saying this, but here goes.

I’m one who questions this. If I work my fanny off and do without and teach civilization, a work ethic and cultural literacy to my children, why should I NOT be able to send my child to a more expensive college when I can afford to do it?

And why should I be forced to pay the tuition of the children of someone who didn’t do any of that?

I’ll admit that I am fully supportive of state colleges, whether junior colleges or major universities, and I am supportive of the people in each state voting and allocating their taxes to pay whatever level they think appropriate, from the totally free state colleges in Montana to some of the breathtakingly expensive state colleges farther east.

My father didn’t even finish high school, but he self-educated to become a highly literate and skilled man. My mother attended a state college. I was fortunate enough to attend a Jesuit college because my parents saved their money, as did I, and they and I expended the effort to make me literate enough to get in. My children all attended Catholic colleges and/or graduate schools, and it cost plenty. I didn’t get expensive vacations, only bought one new car, ever, and not infrequently worked at more than one thing at a time.

Yes, community colleges are already affordable to anyone who wants to lift a finger to get through. State universities here are more expensive but reasonably affordable. Some of the employers around here will even pay your way through community college if you go to work for them.

So, why should somebody like Hillary Clinton have the slightest right to chisel my children so she can buy votes by telling people she’ll make me pay for theirs?
 
Ridgerunner said:
I’ll get blasted for saying this, but here goes.

I’m one who questions this. If I work my fanny off and do without and teach civilization, a work ethic and cultural literacy to my children, why should I NOT be able to send my child to a more expensive college when I can afford to do it?

And why should I be forced to pay the tuition of the children of someone who didn’t do any of that?

I’ll admit that I am fully supportive of state colleges, whether junior colleges or major universities, and I am supportive of the people in each state voting and allocating their taxes to pay whatever level they think appropriate, from the totally free state colleges in Montana to some of the breathtakingly expensive state colleges farther east.

My father didn’t even finish high school, but he self-educated to become a highly literate and skilled man. My mother attended a state college. I was fortunate enough to attend a Jesuit college because my parents saved their money, as did I, and they and I expended the effort to make me literate enough to get in. My children all attended Catholic colleges and/or graduate schools, and it cost plenty. I didn’t get expensive vacations, only bought one new car, ever, and not infrequently worked at more than one thing at a time.

Yes, community colleges are already affordable to anyone who wants to lift a finger to get through. State universities here are more expensive but reasonably affordable. Some of the employers around here will even pay your way through community college if you go to work for them.

So, why should somebody like Hillary Clinton have the slightest right to chisel my children so she can buy votes by telling people she’ll make me pay for theirs?
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I don’t support free college tuition, but what Hillary is doing is in essence no different than what George Bush did with Medicare part D. Both politicians were buying off special interest groups. The question really is how to stop both parties from doing it.
 
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