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Ridgerunner said:
The cited anti-Trump article claims Trump donated only $10,000 at the top of the article, but then admits he gave a lot more than that, ($8 million plus) that they could (wished to?) find on their own.

But that’s not the point anyway. In claiming their charitable deductions, the Clintons were only giving it to themselves by giving it to their own foundation that also hires their daughter and political operatives, and claiming a tax deduction in doing it. That’s no charitable gift at all. That was the poster’s obvious point.
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If you are trying to prove that the Clinton Foundation is not a real charity, you should know that “CharityWatch, says that 88% of the foundation’s money goes toward its charitable mission and gave the foundation an A rating for 2016”. So claiming a tax deduction for donations to the Clinton Foundation is just as valid as claiming a tax deduction for donations to Citizens United Foundation, which is also a 501c3 non-profit. So if you are going to cry foul on Clinton Foundation tax deductions, I will cry foul on Citizens United Foundation tax deductions.
 
Ridgerunner said:
The cited anti-Trump article claims Trump donated only $10,000 at the top of the article, but then admits he gave a lot more than that, ($8 million plus) that they could (wished to?) find on their own.

But that’s not the point anyway. In claiming their charitable deductions, the Clintons were only giving it to themselves by giving it to their own foundation that also hires their daughter and political operatives, and claiming a tax deduction in doing it. That’s no charitable gift at all. That was the poster’s obvious point.
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A charity monitor, CharityWatch, says that 88% of the foundation’s money goes toward its charitable mission and gave the foundation an A rating for 2016. That is an outstanding performance by a charitable organization. The notion that a gift to the Foundation is a gift to themselves is highly misleading.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
If you are trying to prove that the Clinton Foundation is not a real charity, you should know that “CharityWatch, says that 88% of the foundation’s money goes toward its charitable mission and gave the foundation an A rating for 2016”. So claiming a tax deduction for donations to the Clinton Foundation is just as valid as claiming a tax deduction for donations to Citizens United Foundation, which is also a 501c3 non-profit. So if you are going to cry foul on Clinton Foundation tax deductions, I will cry foul on Citizens United Foundation tax deductions.
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Oops, I reposted the same statistic before I saw your post. Sorry!
 
Sy_Noe said:
The reverse is women whose religions are not opposed to contraception being covered in women’s health care benefits or whose faiths are pro choice could lose their religious freedom if forced to follow the dictates of the Catholic faith. While right now Catholic woman are completely free to not use contraception and to not seek an abortion.
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  1. No one has the “right” to kill an innocent person. It’s offensive to suggest such a “right”
  2. No one is preventing individuals from buying anything. The government is FORCING businesses to provide these evils to their employees.
oneofmany said:
Not quite right. The government wants to fine women’s health centers so much each day for not promoting abortions. So even Catholic and other religious women who oppose abortion will be affected. Supply abortions, even promote them or suffer.
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estesbob said:
So if she becomes president should she like take off every other month to rest up? Do you think it’s wise to have a commander-in-chief who needs to take considerable time off to conserve her energy ?
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Honestly, I would love it if Congress and the President took every other month off. We’d be better off if they left us alone.
estesbob said:
But Catholic businessmen are forced to pay for it. And if Hillary is elected it appears we will also be forced to pay for abortions.
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We already do. Planned Barrenhood received half a billion dollars every year. Money is fungible, so that money covers the fixed costs, which subsidizes every single abortion they perform.
Sy_Noe said:
A compromise was offered in which private insurers would provide contraceptive healthcare coverage for those female employees who do not share the Catholic faith of their employers at no cost to the employer or the employee. That was rejected. And if the government paid for the contraceptives I have little doubt the objection would then be that taxes are being used.
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That “compromise” was a ludicrous falsehood. Insurance companies do NOT have magic money trees growing in their lobbies to pay for such coverage. It would only be an accounting gimmick. They would still be paying for it. You may choose to fall for such a laughable falsehood, but no serious person would.
So short of denying the liberty to those female employees whom do not share the Catholic faith of their employers, and denying them the full insurance benefits they are entitled to and promised under the law, I honestly don’t see a solution right now where everyone will be 100% pleased. I hope I am wrong though and something can be worked out to everyone’s satisfaction, for Catholics and those of other religious beliefs as well. I understand though balancing rights and liberty and trying to please everyone can be a difficult act in a pluralistic nation such as ours.
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Insurance benefits (really contraception and abortion) you are “entitled” to? What country is this? If you want it, go buy it on your own. Don’t try to make your employer pay for it through government force.

This country has become anti-Christian. The fact we are even having this discussion shows how evil our culture and society has become. Attempting to force Christians to participate in contraception and abortion!?!?!?!
 
zz912 said:
  1. No one has the “right” to kill an innocent person. It’s offensive to suggest such a “right”
  2. No one is preventing individuals from buying anything. The government is FORCING businesses to provide these evils to their employees.
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Honestly, I would love it if Congress and the President took every other month off. We’d be better off if they left us alone.

We already do. Planned Barrenhood received half a billion dollars every year. Money is fungible, so that money covers the fixed costs, which subsidizes every single abortion they perform.

That “compromise” was a ludicrous falsehood. Insurance companies do NOT have magic money trees growing in their lobbies to pay for such coverage. It would only be an accounting gimmick. They would still be paying for it. You may choose to fall for such a laughable falsehood, but no serious person would.

Insurance benefits (really contraception and abortion) you are “entitled” to? What country is this? If you want it, go buy it on your own. Don’t try to make your employer pay for it through government force.

This country has become anti-Christian. The fact we are even having this discussion shows how evil our culture and society has become. Attempting to force Christians to participate in contraception and abortion!?!?!?!
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You indeed state the Catholic belief. And I just assume Catholic employees would not use the contraceptive benefit to begin with nor have an abortion. But for those non Catholic Christian employees and others who do not hold the Catholic faith, I would no more support them having to pay for physician prescribed contraceptives sometimes even prescribed for medical conditions than I would having an employee having to pay for blood transfusions if their employer was of the Jehovah Witness faith. And once a contraceptive is prescribed, I don’t see how we know whether it is being used for in the privacy of a person’s home for a medical condition or for preventing an unwanted pregnancy unless Big Brother enters the bedroom or bathroom. Which to me would be the epitome of Big Government something which conservatives have supposedly long opposed.
 
Sy_Noe said:
You indeed state the Catholic belief. And I just assume Catholic employees would not use the contraceptive benefit to begin with nor have an abortion. But for those non Catholic Christian employees and others who do not hold the Catholic faith, I would no more support them having to pay for physician prescribed contraceptives sometimes even prescribed for medical conditions than I would having an employee having to pay for blood transfusions if their employer was of the Jehovah Witness faith. And once a contraceptive is prescribed, I don’t see how we know whether it is being used for in the privacy of a person’s home for a medical condition or for preventing an unwanted pregnancy unless Big Brother enters the bedroom or bathroom. Which to me would be the epitome of Big Government something which conservatives have supposedly long opposed.
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I’m not sure you understand the concept of Big Brother from your response. A Catholic employer doesn’t wish to commit an evil act, so he doesn’t include contraception and abortion in the healthcare plan. That’s it. Now if an employee goes to the pharmacy and purchases contraception, he doesn’t know about it. If he/she uses said contraception, he doesn’t know about it. He’s not involved in it at all. At no point is the government involved, so Big Brother is unaware of all of this. Sounds ideal.

Now let’s take your preferred method. A Catholic businessman doesn’t wish to commit evil, so he either has to cancel the health insurance plan, or commit mortal sin by including such evils. He doesn’t wish to, but Big Brother is forcing him to commit evil.

Does this help explain what Big Brother is, and how your example doesn’t make any sense?
 
Sy_Noe said:
You indeed state the Catholic belief. And I just assume Catholic employees would not use the contraceptive benefit to begin with nor have an abortion. But for those non Catholic Christian employees and others who do not hold the Catholic faith, I would no more support them having to pay for physician prescribed contraceptives sometimes even prescribed for medical conditions than I would having an employee having to pay for blood transfusions if their employer was of the Jehovah Witness faith. And once a contraceptive is prescribed, I don’t see how we know whether it is being used for in the privacy of a person’s home for a medical condition or for preventing an unwanted pregnancy unless Big Brother enters the bedroom or bathroom. Which to me would be the epitome of Big Government something which conservatives have supposedly long opposed.
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Take a look at the wording of the contraceptive mandate. The only drugs and procedures that are required to be covered 100% by any ACA-compliant health plan are women’s contraceptives and surgical sterilizations when used for contraception.

Need to control PCOS? Pay up.
Hysterectomy due to uterine cancer? Pay up.
Fertility and pre-natal care? Pay up.
Want to have sex without the “consequence” of a child? ACA has your drug/surgery/device of choice free.
 
The polls scare me. Perhaps HC will be indicted for perjury or some other felonious act (there are many to choose from) and Trump will be elected.

Thoughts?

Jenna
 
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