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Nicholas Notovitch exploited these stories, claimed to found an actual manuscript – but mostly he probably never met any Llamas or monks as he claims, nor did he find any manuscript that he supposedly translated. I found this interesting…
That too is disputed. n 1922, after initially doubting Notovitch, Swami Abhedananda, a disciple of Sri Ramakrishna, and a close acquaintance of Max Müller,journeyed to Tibet, investigated his claim, was shown the manuscript by the lama and with his help translated part of the document, and later championed Notovich’s views.

Now personally, I don;t care of Jesus went to India or not. We have our own Avatars. But stories about this abounded before Notovitch, and I am somewhat intrigued by the tomb that the local Muslims in Kasmir have been maintaining. The tomb doesn’t get much interest from Hindus, but personally, I wonder who is buried in the tomb of St Issa, the “God-Man” from Palestine. Article below from BBC. Again, I don;t have any dog in this race, but it’s interesting nonetheless:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8587838.stm

Your friend,
Sufjon
 
Please tell me more about St Issa. We don’t beleive that Jesus went to India but the Apostles Thomas did. and are you saying that the Indian Rishis in fact didn’t beleive in Hinduism, that they beleived in the Bible?
Yes, please tell us more of St. Issa…if there is written India literature, whereby, Jesus Christ was in INDIA during the missing years, up until 30 AD…this is certainly something every Christian should study…
Since, Peter the Apostle, was The 1st Patriarch of Antioch, CA 37 to Ca 53…and The Patriarch of Antioch are the Original patriarchs of early Christianity…and the presided over the Bishop of Syria…and the Bishop of Palestine, and the Bishop of Armenia, and the Bishop of Georgia, and the Bishop of Mesopotamia…and the Bishop of INDIA…was Thomas the Apostle…the Bishop of INDIA?
Hi LayingHands: I cannot give any assurances that Jesus ever visited India. It sounds logical to me, but it’s mostly local lore. Except for that tomb. It’s certainly there, but who is in it? Anyway, just because you asked, here is some of what reportedly was in the teachings of St Issa (Jesus) the God-Man from Palestine:

reluctant-messenger.com/issa1.htm

I have seen a translation by a Hindu holy man who claimed to see it as well, and it says pretty much the same.

For what it’s worth, it’s interesting enough.

Your friend
Sufjon
 
I agree with John Paul II that there are seeds on philosophical and spiritual wisdom in other religions. In fact, God Himself has confirmed this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_milk_miracle (note: the “scientific explanation” given there for them is complete nonsense. The milk was reported to disappear)

When JPII went to India, his way of dealing with the Hindus was critizied by one of the bishops there, who said that the Pope knew about Hinduisk from books, not from experience. I think that could explain why the Pope seemed to go a little bit to far in his esteem for non-Catholic religions (like Vodooism); I could just see modern anthropologists telling him how previous information on these religions were negative and racists
 
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henrikhank:
Please tell me more about St Issa. We don’t beleive that Jesus went to India but the Apostles Thomas did. and are you saying that the Indian Rishis in fact didn’t beleive in Hinduism, that they beleived in the Bible?

Hi Henrikhank: It is certainly permitted for a Hindu to believe in the Christian Bible, but it would be rare. The legends are more in line with Jesus getting His training from the rishis. It’s all conjecture, but there is smoke. Is there fire? I really don’t care, except I do see strong threads of Hinduism in the words of Jesus. But that could just be because He spoke the truth, and of course He would indeed have spoken the truth, being who He was.
Anyway, I see no evidence that is compelling to prove that Jesus went to India, nor do I see compelling evidence that He didn’t.

Your friend
Sufjon
 
When JPII went to India, his way of dealing with the Hindus was critizied by one of the bishops there, who said that the Pope knew about Hinduisk from books, not from experience.
Yes, that’s exactly what a lot of Protestants who live in Catholic countries say about us Catholic-friendly Protestants:p.

Sometimes you understand a religious tradition better from its books than from the imperfect lives of its followers!

Edwin
 
Also, I have trouble seeing humanity as basically good from the Christian perspective, since every babe is born with its soul blackened by sin.
Well, first of all that’s the Western perspective. And secondly, even Augustine would say that the depravity of human beings inheres in the will, not the nature, because every created nature is good.

Calvin defends saying that humans are “naturally bad” by arguing that what he’s really saying is just that it isn’t something people acquire but something they are born with. Still, he’s obviously not a Catholic and his language has been deeply misleading, I think.
For centuries some Christians believed that such unbaptized babies were condemned to eternal Hell. Even today, there is some debate, I believe, about the fate of such children. Any entity created with a soul inherently disfigured by sin cannot be basically good.
Well, that’s Calvin’s line of argument, but I think it’s mistaken.

What we “basically” are is what God made us to be.

We are born with a will that tends to “curve in on itself,” certainly. However, in Catholic thought this disposition is not inherently sinful in the baptized.

Certainly the Christian doctrine of creation ex nihilo does distinguish us from Hindus and does allow for ideas about sin and salvation that wouldn’t make sense in a Hindu context–although the followers of Madhva do believe in eternal damnation.

Edwin
 
I think you are confusing Greece with India. Every time I go to reply to your post I realize that I actually can’t understand what your point was. Not to say that you don’t have one. Perhaps I’m just thick or something, I don;t know.

Your friend,
Sufjon
Classical Greece and India share a common ancestor and as such the many schools and philosophies and religious practices end up having similar characteristics, strengths and weaknesses.

What is Parmedian One but if not the post-Vedic Brahman?

I apologize if this comes across as completely equivocating two wonderful and wonderfully complex civilizations. That is not my intention. I have found, after reading Hindu literature and discussing this issue with others, that due to this commonality, ancient Greece is a type of ‘rosetta stone’ for comparing Christian thought with Hindu thought. They are not the same, and again I apologize if I make it seem that way; but on a public board where many people are unfamiliar with Hinduism, I have found the comparison useful in the past.

And it suffers the same problems when confronted with the historic fact of the Passion and Resurrection of Christ.

All religious practices and order are based off of a sacrifice. All sacrifices up until Christ hid a violent element that helped produce that order. A passive Godhead like the Parmedian One is rather passive, a pantheistic notion which leaves man to his own devices. It says (by advocating metempsychosis) that the boundaries between life and death aren’t all that important, all is “united” and it ultimately follows that we should all resign ourselves to this “truth.”

But following that to its logical conclusion produces a world where man is encouraged in his violence to bring order to his communities by separating and excluding whether by sword or by shunning. The good and evil seems to derive from this godhead is an illusion because what is considered good and evil are contingently determined by the originally violent and and excluding actions themselves [albeit, when an order is established the original violent act is often substituted with other rituals that can and do “hold” for a very long time.] This aspect is downplayed and hidden by downplaying the notion that we are both body and soul fully. For if we were simply soul passing through vessels, how bad could evil actions be? It is the only explanation for why Socrates willingly drinks the hemlock: it is a resignation to death that is found in the “wisdom” of the world.

A Christian must disagree with this because we claim a revelation, first shown to the Jews and fulfilled by Jesus Christ, that the events of our lives are singularities, especially birth and death, and we are commended by God to choose life. The violence we bring does not appease God, and death in all its forms and manifestations is to be abhorred to the fullest extent. Because of Christ, we have a hopeful faith that his victory over death will bless us, and we will share in his resurrection with our own resurrection of the flesh in a life of the world to come- a gift from God.
 
I have not yet readly too deeply into it, but it is all about God’s love and justice and compassion.

My husband was raised Hindu and his family remains Hindu; however, he converted to Roman Catholicism as an adult before we were married. He had many positive encounters with Roman Catholics and other Christians as a child growing up in a non-Christian country. The other night we were having a discussion with some friends of ours and he was explaining the details of Hinduism and then he explained that one of the major differences for him in converting is that Christianity is about how God loves us unconditionally (yes, we do go to confession when we’ve offended God) but that we don’t have to go through reincarnation until we are human form again to try to reach enlightenment if we don’t succeed this time around because we have not yet reached perfection in our human form. He said that it would be difficult to explain some of the concepts to Hindus because there might be arguments unless they’ve studied Christianity in depth. Going through the RCIA program is a good start to learn about Catholicism.

From what I’ve understood and have experienced through observation across 20 years, Catholicism is a religion that promotes social justice especially helping people less privileged and in need; whereas Hindus tend to have a different world view. I think if you’re looking for God’s love, social justice, and compassion, the Roman Catholic religion might have what you’re looking for.
 
Hi LayingHands: I cannot give any assurances that Jesus ever visited India. It sounds logical to me, but it’s mostly local lore. Except for that tomb. It’s certainly there, but who is in it? Anyway, just because you asked, here is some of what reportedly was in the teachings of St Issa (Jesus) the God-Man from Palestine:

reluctant-messenger.com/issa1.htm

I have seen a translation by a Hindu holy man who claimed to see it as well, and it says pretty much the same.

For what it’s worth, it’s interesting enough.

Your friend
Sufjon
Thank you…as you say, it is interesting, as no one really knows where Jesus went during the Lost years and even should the information truly be available, humanity would never receive it today…some believe He may have gone to Alexandria…there were others you related to as possibly Jesus Christ in India?

Any history you can relay would be of interest…I shall stay with the Science of GOD, the Bhagavad-gita AS IT IS, as GOD’s personally relayed words for All Humanity and its principles for living this Human Life towards GOD’s Salvation, and live to return back to GODHEAD.

I believe this too was Jesus’s intention in preaching GOD’s religion/science. Maybe it was inevitable that the GREAT Separation of the Western and Eastern Churches
caused all Humanity to forget GOD, or supplant Him on a huge scale…today, they have the Free Will without fear of death for heresy…to learn the very basic, Science of GOD.
 
Hinduism is an interesting religion. You could probably find some good sources online.
Identify the tree from its fruit…What they tells are not correct…they pretends like apostles of peace in the countries where they are minority and shows their real face in the places where they are majority. Here is a video of true incident happened in india.

youtube.com/watch?v=y0FLW_OSKdA&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLEE9DE58A8E0627EE

youtube.com/watch?v=KeSlYCPKl6o&feature=related
 
Identify the tree from its fruit…What they tells are not correct…they pretends like apostles of peace in the countries where they are minority and shows their real face in the places where they are majority. Here is a video of true incident happened in india.

youtube.com/watch?v=y0FLW_OSKdA&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLEE9DE58A8E0627EE

youtube.com/watch?v=KeSlYCPKl6o&feature=related
Hi Jerry_Joseph: Instances of violence displayed by most any religion is not a demonstration of it’s principles, but a failure of certain people to either understand or follow them properly. In other cases throughout history, using religion for an excuse for violence has been a matter of people exploiting a religion in the service of another agenda. These instances are not emblematic of any religion as a whole, but deviations from the norm. If, however, you wanted to start a dialog wherein instances of violence were used to define a religion, you might want to march into that discussion under another religious banner than your own, because you are clearly on the wrong side of history. In honor of the memory of anyone who has been persecuted in the name of this religion or that, let’s keep our discourse focused on the virtues of one another’s beliefs
and do our best to live by those principles ourselves, rather than to wallow in our own shortcomings or find satisfaction in the failures of others. We are all reaching for God.

Your friend
Sufjon
 
Hi Jerry_Joseph: Instances of violence displayed by most any religion is not a demonstration of it’s principles, but a failure of certain people to either understand or follow them properly. In other cases throughout history, using religion for an excuse for violence has been a matter of people exploiting a religion in the service of another agenda. These instances are not emblematic of any religion as a whole, but deviations from the norm. If, however, you wanted to start a dialog wherein instances of violence were used to define a religion, you might want to march into that discussion under another religious banner than your own, because you are clearly on the wrong side of history. In honor of the memory of anyone who has been persecuted in the name of this religion or that, let’s keep our discourse focused on the virtues of one another’s beliefs
and do our best to live by those principles ourselves, rather than to wallow in our own shortcomings or find satisfaction in the failures of others. We are all reaching for God.

Your friend
Sufjon
Well said, my friend.

And I for one say that Hinduism in particular, strikes me as a very peaceful religion.

Peace.
 
And the Mormons say HE was in Mexico. Big deal, the pneumatikon soma is the ultimate long-distance traveller. No frequent-flyer mileage or magic shoes needed.

In the absence of evidence of His teachings in areas where HE was said to have gone, (before the Church showed up), we can discount stories of such wanderings. HE is the WORD of God; and the Scriptures say that God’s Word shall not return void.

ICXC NIKA
 
Hi Jerry_Joseph: Instances of violence displayed by most any religion is not a demonstration of it’s principles, but a failure of certain people to either understand or follow them properly. In other cases throughout history, using religion for an excuse for violence has been a matter of people exploiting a religion in the service of another agenda. These instances are not emblematic of any religion as a whole, but deviations from the norm. If, however, you wanted to start a dialog wherein instances of violence were used to define a religion, you might want to march into that discussion under another religious banner than your own, because you are clearly on the wrong side of history. In honor of the memory of anyone who has been persecuted in the name of this religion or that, let’s keep our discourse focused on the virtues of one another’s beliefs
and do our best to live by those principles ourselves, rather than to wallow in our own shortcomings or find satisfaction in the failures of others. We are all reaching for God.

Your friend
Sufjon
You are correct…Persons like Swami Vivekananda , Mahatma Gandhi had increased the reputation of hinduism among world religions on the other hand these types of terrorist extremists and facists brings insults to hinduism and creates bad image about your religion among the world religions.
 
You are correct…Persons like Swami Vivekananda , Mahatma Gandhi had increased the reputation of hinduism among world religions on the other hand these types of terrorist extremists and facists brings insults to hinduism and creates bad image about your religion among the world religions.
Whew - thank goodness for Swami Vivekananda and Mahatma Gandhi.

Your friend
Sufjon
 
What, did you give up on me, Sufjon? Or did my last comment get lost in the shuffle? 🙂

Your friend,
Lee
 
What, did you give up on me, Sufjon? Or did my last comment get lost in the shuffle? 🙂

Your friend,
Lee
Hi again Lee: I looked at your reply for a while and then got tied up with other things. I understand what you said and a lot of it makes sense, but I still think that God had to have set the parameters within which creation had to operate. This would mean that the potential for evil was in the primordial sauce. I think that in the physical realm that it’s necessary. If things were all good or all bad, nothing would happen. Existence would become static. The solution to the problems this creates is that we (what we truly are) exists independently of the material world. On that level, there is only good. What we truly are cannot be burned by flame, frozen by cold or touched by anything we can perceive in this realm. It is the sense of identification with the physical world or maya on the playing field of Prakriti that a view of Purusha is lost.

Your friend
Sufjon
 
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