Hinduism?????

[JosephFG]

Well put Joseph, as I said previously, what is being yoked to is the question? If yoking oneself to God provides us with horror, torment, demonic or satanic experiences and mental illness which can take years to recover from as reported by individuals who have had kundalini awakenings, who exactly is this ‘God’ and what is its nature?

The god being refered to in many circumstances is undoubtedly satan or another demon, an astute and deceitful imposter, this is the problem. The fact that blissful and peaceful experiences also occur cannot detract from the horrific aspects, if the consequences were exclusively blissful and peaceful and enlightening and grace filled, then that would be a different matter.

Dont get me wrong, I am not suggesting all Hinduism is satanic, far from it.

My good friend says that Hinduism is essentially Naturalism.

 

[rinnie]

Oh, I get it. “New” as in…new for THIS country or this group of people here.
That makes sense.
You are right, the wording is way off-kilter…because so many of the so-called “new age” practices are so very ancient. But why do so many people on this forum classify these things as “new age” as if they are something truly-new and fly-by-night that will not stick and have no basis or history?
For example…I hear people here talking about going to herbalists as “new age” when using herbs to heal our bodies has been around since they’ve been growing.

Because they do not want to be up front with who and what they are. If someone said to you come with me and lets follow Hinduism, people would be like, No thank-you.

So they hide it in the beginning and say lets exercise, stretch, etc. meanwhile they continue to play their music, and eventually try to get you into their beliefs.

Just a simple trick of the trade.

People will deny it, and say its just Yoga man, what are you talking about.

But the CC has quite a bit of teachings now on this. And we are told to stay away.

 

[rinnie]

My good friend says that Hinduism is essentially Naturalism.

Yep, and don’t forget just simple stretching. Exercise, Also don’t forget its just simple meditation, Etc. Tons of names, wonder why they have to hide it, huh.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Because they do not want to be up front with who and what they are. If someone said to you come with me and lets follow Hinduism, people would be like, No thank-you.

So they hide it in the beginning and say lets exercise, stretch, etc. meanwhile they continue to play their music, and eventually try to get you into their beliefs.

Just a simple trick of the trade.

People will deny it, and say its just Yoga man, what are you talking about.

But the CC has quite a bit of teachings now on this. And we are told to stay away.

Er, no.

It’s a fine stretch to go from stretching to adopting an entire belief system. Using herbs for alternative medicine does not make you a tree-worshiping neopagan. The truly false path here is to go from utilization to religion when there really is no connection.

Heck just because I create a fantasy race of elephant humanoids called let’s say, the Ganeshans (from the Hindu deity Ganesha) and give them a Hindu-inspired culture, doesn’t automatically mean I’m Hindu. I just happen to take the aesthetics of the Hindu religion and use them in a more utilitarian manner that’s devoid of any religious significance.

 

[rinnie]

Er, no.

It’s a fine stretch to go from stretching to adopting an entire belief system. Using herbs for alternative medicine does not make you a tree-worshiping neopagan. The truly false path here is to go from utilization to religion when there really is no connection.

Heck just because I create a fantasy race of elephant humanoids called let’s say, the Ganeshans (from the Hindu deity Ganesha) and give them a Hindu-inspired culture, doesn’t automatically mean I’m Hindu. I just happen to take the aesthetics of the Hindu religion and use them in a more utilitarian manner that’s devoid of any religious significance.

From what I have read from the Rock, a Catholic magazine, it explains these are ways to try to get people slowly into another way of thinking.

It is better if you go to the sources that the Church have and the way they expain it, and then you will see what I am saying. Or better yet, ask your Priest, he will explain it better.

I know from experience a cult the Hare Krishna sorry if I spelled it wrong, built a temple of gold, within a hour of where I live. They started out saying this and that. And were nothing of what they claimed.

The leader is in jail etc. They were brought up on many charges etc also. But the bottom line is if you want to turn to alternative medications why do you have to go to other religions?

How can you be guaranteed that this is safe?

But like I said the Church says differently. Check it out, Its better you find out for yourself what the Church teaches.

 

[Sufjon]

Because they do not want to be up front with who and what they are. If someone said to you come with me and lets follow Hinduism, people would be like, No thank-you.

So they hide it in the beginning and say lets exercise, stretch, etc. meanwhile they continue to play their music, and eventually try to get you into their beliefs.

Just a simple trick of the trade.

People will deny it, and say its just Yoga man, what are you talking about.

But the CC has quite a bit of teachings now on this. And we are told to stay away.

Hi Rinnie, I would like to offer the correction if I may in pointing out that there is no such thing as a Hindu religion. That is a term made up by westerners, although we accept the term because that is how you relate to us. The point is that it is not something we came up with. The thing you refer to as Hinduism is more of a cultural label than what you would classify as a religion. There is no formal hierarchy or structure to anything called Hinduism. You could go off and build a temple on your own and it’s just as valid as the next in our view. There is no one there to confer validity on what you say or believe, or label you a heretic. Sanatana Dharma is our path, and we have no collective name for ourselves. There are a lot of westerners running around teaching yoga, and if someone tries to convert you to “Hinduism,” it’s likely a westerner who hasn’t really read the scriptures or an Indian con artist. Why? **Because our scriptures explicitly prohibit trying to convert anyone. ** You can certainly go off and do some stretches without becoming a Hindu, because those stretches, or asanas, are but one component of yoga, and in no way make you a yogi or a “Hindu.” What you are referring to is Hatha Yoga, which is stretching and really has no religious implications in the way that the other branches of yoga such as Bhakti Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Raja Yoga, Karma Yoga and Tantra Yoga have.

Now, it is interesting that in their own rite, Christians by and large practice Bhakti Yoga and Jnana Yoga because these are just devotion and study of scripture, and there is nothing in what you call Hinduism that prescribes what you should be devoted to other than whatever it is you happen to call God, and in that regard, Jesus would do just fine. Jnana Yoga is just study of scripture, and again, this can apply to the New Testament as easily as it does to the Upnishads or Bhagavad Gita. It is not narrowly defined. Raja Yoga, Tantra Yoga and Karma Yoga are a bit more difficult, but I don’t see much evidence of Christians practicing these, with the notable exception of perhaps Christ and some of your saints.

I have a hard time understanding why anyone would trouble themselves to worry or even think about “Hinduism.” Calling yourself one thing and another person another thing is just labeling, and this causes barriers in the same way that flags, nationalities, sports teams and the like do. The problem with such things is that they help us define who we think we are, and in the same stroke, defines in our minds those who are considered not to be us. This has a dehumanizing effect in the mind on those we consider not to be “us.” This is how wars, fights after sporting events, hate crimes and other things are brought into the world. Everyone you meet, without regard to what you call them is a product of God. You can see Him in everyone. This is what we should spend our time on. If we focus on loving God (call Him what you will), and then start seeing Him in others, then we are getting somewhere. Labels are a grave impediment to this sort of growth. How can we love the Lord our God with all of our hearts, and our neighbors as ourselves if we are busy labeling our neighbors and ourselves as anything other than what we are, and we are not Catholics, Jews, Hindus and the like. Do you think God looks at Himself and says “Catholic,” “Jew,” “American,” “Celtics fan” and sees everyone else as something else? More likely he sees Himself in all of them as well as the rest of them, and loves each without regard to any of that. If we learn to love God properly, then we can start to look for Him in what He has created. He created us and the world around us, and in being part of the world around us we find that there is no “your life” or “my life.” There is just life, and each of us is a part of it. We are inextricably enmeshed with, and interdependent with one another and the world around us. God is the source of (and present in) all things. This is why we are to love God with all our hearts and our neighbors as ourselves. This is the meaning of the commandment that supercedes and overrides all others, because it is the sole enabler to fully expressing the other commandments in one’s life. Otherwise we are just following a set of rules, and not fully living. Do you understand what I am saying?

Anyway, Insofar as Sanatana Dharma (what you’re referring to as Hinduism) is concerned, there is nothing to convert you to, because we accept that all belief traditions are valid approaches to the same thing. You could easily believe in Jesus and call yourself a “Hindu.” It is an entirely different thought structure that cannot be compared to traditional Christian or western thought. Conversely, I married a Catholic woman and practiced all aspects of the Catholic faith for over 20 years. Throughout this, I considered myself to be a Hindu who practiced Catholicism. Once one has learned that God is manifest in all things, it becomes clear that He can be approached from any direction, as all directions emanate from, and terminate at the same point or singularity, which in itself is merely a creation of something that is beyond all points, directions and forms that exist therein. And this is what we truly are. For one who knows this, all points are home, and all directions lead there.

Your friend,
Sufjon

 

[Sufjon]

Posted by Rinnie:

I know from experience a cult the Hare Krishna sorry if I spelled it wrong, built a temple of gold, within a hour of where I live. They started out saying this and that. And were nothing of what they claimed.

Hi Rinnie:

I don’t know these Hare Krishna people in particular that you are referring to, but there are bad examples from every faith, as any church that has lost billions in abuse litigation could rightly tell you, right?

The leader is in jail etc.

So was Christ. He was also executed. That doesn’t make his accusers right or His conviction just. Doesn’t mean either that the Hare Krishna leader is innocent. It just means that being in jail is superfluous, and not of any coincidence to anyone with a higher message anyway.

They were brought up on many charges etc also.

Yes, and such things can make you look pretty bad. Even get you crucified.

But the bottom line is if you want to turn to alternative medications why do you have to go to other religions?

Maybe because that’s where they tend to come from?

How can you be guaranteed that this is safe?

Brain surgery, open heart surgery and anesthesia aren’t guaranteed to be safe, but you have to weigh those things when you make decisions.

But like I said the Church says differently. Check it out, Its better you find out for yourself what the Church teaches.

What would you expect them to say? Entertain the idea of joining some other church?

Your friend,
Sufjon

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

But like I said the Church says differently. Check it out, Its better you find out for yourself what the Church teaches.

I know very well what the Church teaches and it is exactly why I see no reason to adopt your line of thinking. Frankly, I find it gravely uncharitable for you to suggest I don’t know my own religion.

I know from experience a cult the Hare Krishna sorry if I spelled it wrong, built a temple of gold, within a hour of where I live. They started out saying this and that. And were nothing of what they claimed.

And this justifies the logic of going from utilization to religious belief…? How?

The leader is in jail etc. They were brought up on many charges etc also. But the bottom line is if you want to turn to alternative medications why do you have to go to other religions?

You don’t. It just so happens that certain medications were developed by other religions but at the same time, they have objective medical principles that can be used for the universal benefit of all.

How can you be guaranteed that this is safe?

I once saw a NatGeo clip on how Southeast Asian medicine men were actually consulted by pharmacists on certain herbs growing in this region’s tropical forests. Does this mean that we should follow the medicine men’s religion? No. It’s like when people found species of a certain creature, thought it was some supernatural monster but then enter the scientist.

 

[rinnie]

I know very well what the Church teaches and it is exactly why I see no reason to adopt your line of thinking. Frankly, I find it gravely uncharitable for you to suggest I don’t know my own religion.

And this justifies the logic of going from utilization to religious belief…? How?

You don’t. It just so happens that certain medications were developed by other religions but at the same time, they have objective medical principles that can be used for the universal benefit of all.

I once saw a NatGeo clip on how Southeast Asian medicine men were actually consulted by pharmacists on certain herbs growing in this region’s tropical forests. Does this mean that we should follow the medicine men’s religion? No. It’s like when people found species of a certain creature, thought it was some supernatural monster but then enter the scientist.

Wow! I can’t believe when I suggested you read something in a Catholic magazine to show you another way of looking at something, as me saying you do not know your own faith and find me being unchairtable.

 

[rinnie]

Hey Sufjon. as always it is a pleasure talking to you, Hope all is well with you and yours!

From what I have read Yoga comes from the root word Sanskrit, root word Yuj meaning Union or Yoke.

It is the ancient language of Hinduism. Yoga is very similar to the Latin word Religio which is when we get Religion.

In the case of both words the clear implication is that the person is being yoked or bined to something spiritual.

In Hinduism the 3 paths to Salvation are rituals, duties and ceremonies. In Christianity the clear path to Salvation is Jesus Christ,

 

[rinnie]

Posted by Rinnie:

Hi Rinnie:

I don’t know these Hare Krishna people in particular that you are referring to, but there are bad examples from every faith, as any church that has lost billions in abuse litigation could rightly tell you, right?

So was Christ. He was also executed. That doesn’t make his accusers right or His conviction just. Doesn’t mean either that the Hare Krishna leader is innocent. It just means that being in jail is superfluous, and not of any coincidence to anyone with a higher message anyway.

Yes, and such things can make you look pretty bad. Even get you crucified.

Maybe because that’s where they tend to come from?

Brain surgery, open heart surgery and anesthesia aren’t guaranteed to be safe, but you have to weigh those things when you make decisions.

What would you expect them to say? Entertain the idea of joining some other church?

Your friend,
Sufjon

Well to address some of what you are saying I do not think for a minute you could compare the leader of their cult to Christ. To begin with Christ was perfect without sin and was crucified. They had no reason to kill him! If he was guilty it was for telling the truth and revealing he was indeed the Son of God.

The hare krisna was indicted by the U.S goverment on 5 counts of racketeering. 6 counts of mail fraud and conspiracy to murder 2 of his opponents in the hare krisna.

In 1991 he was convicted on 9 of the ll charges.

And trust me I know all about brain surgery, I lost my younger brother to a brain tumor 8 years ago. I know first hand the dangers associated with brain surgery. And lost my Dad 4 years ago this march to heart surgery. Neither were surgery’s that we had taken lightly.

We knew going into both what the risks were, but also knew that if we did not take the risk we had no chance. If we thought for a moment we had any other alternative, we would have taken the less dangerous route.

 

[Sufjon]

Hey Sufjon. as always it is a pleasure talking to you, Hope all is well with you and yours!

Hi Rinnie: I hope you are doing well too.

From what I have read Yoga comes from the root word Sanskrit, root word Yuj meaning Union or Yoke.

It is the ancient language of Hinduism. Yoga is very similar to the Latin word Religio which is when we get Religion.

In the case of both words the clear implication is that the person is being yoked or bined to something spiritual.

It is true that yoga is the science of God realization, but my point was that yogasanas don’t get you there. It’s just a component, and you have to do it with that intent anyway.

In Hinduism the 3 paths to Salvation are rituals, duties and ceremonies. In Christianity the clear path to Salvation is Jesus Christ,;:

Well, there are many paths, and yoga is broken into 6 components. But in our scriptures the Lord says that the way to Him is through adoration of Him and then in seeing Him in others as well as all things. Duties and ceremonies are prescribed as a path for those with a disposition for being compulsive. It’s a stage you go through.

Your friend
Sufjon

 

[Sufjon]

Well to address some of what you are saying I do not think for a minute you could compare the leader of their cult to Christ. To begin with Christ was perfect without sin and was crucified. They had no reason to kill him! If he was guilty it was for telling the truth and revealing he was indeed the Son of God.

The point is that the judgements of a judicial system or society are not necessarily the best determiner of something’s intrinsic value. That was my only point. I know that you see Christ as someone by nature different than you. I don’t, but there is no point in arguing that. He himself said that you could be just like Him, but that requires awakening
the inherent true nature of your being, which is essentially the same as His. We are surely made in His image. The problem is that we are rapt by sentient experience in the same way a moth is preoccupied with a light bulb. So much so, that we have a hard time looking to see what is inward, and that is where He is to be found. Once He is found there, He is easily seen everywhere.

The hare krisna was indicted by the U.S goverment on 5 counts of racketeering. 6 counts of mail fraud and conspiracy to murder 2 of his opponents in the hare krisna.

In 1991 he was convicted on 9 of the ll charges.

Again, I would agree that there are bad examples from every faith. You listed 11 charges against that group, and perhaps they were true. There wouldn’t be enough room on this thread for me to list the indictments of those who represented Christ through the Roman Catholic Church even in just the past 20 years or so, and these were for crimes that far surpass racketeering and fraud in their gravity depending on what value you place on a child’s innocence and well being. But the point would be the same. The point is that I do not hold these serious atrocities to represent the Catholic Church, any more than I hold the charges you mentioned to represent the character of the Hare Krishna movement, which as a disclaimer I am not part of anyway. The point is that most people in the Catholic Church, the Hare Krishna movement and all religions are probably very fine people with good intentions. We should be wary of the ones who behave badly, but we probably shouldn’t judge them. I don’t think that’s what we’re here for.

And trust me I know all about brain surgery, I lost my younger brother to a brain tumor 8 years ago. I know first hand the dangers associated with brain surgery. And lost my Dad 4 years ago this march to heart surgery. Neither were surgery’s that we had taken lightly

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I’m very sorry about your brother and your Dad. God bless them both and you as well.

Your friend
Sufjon

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Wow! I can’t believe when I suggested you read something in a Catholic magazine to show you another way of looking at something, as me saying you do not know your own faith and find me being unchairtable.

No, your exact words were:’ Check it out, Its better you find out for yourself what the Church teaches.’ What do you take me for, some cafeteria Catholic?

And frankly, of all the statements you could choose to respond to in my lengthy post, that was the only thing you could cough up?

 

[rinnie]

No, your exact words were:’ Check it out, Its better you find out for yourself what the Church teaches.’ What do you take me for, some cafeteria Catholic?

And frankly, of all the statements you could choose to respond to in my lengthy post, that was the only thing you could cough up?

Correct, and what I meant by that is if you checked out what that article said, it would show you why it is not a good idea to do yoga and the hidden dangers that are involved in it.

The reason I said to check out the article is because it was too long and too involved for me to go through and would show you all of the reasons the Church says this.

If you would have gone to that source I believe it would have addressed many of the questions that you asked me, and while you may not agree with me or the ariticle it would have given you another way of seeing things.

How you feel that me sending you to a pretty good source, accuses you of being a Cafeteria Catholic is beyond me.

 

[rinnie]

The point is that the judgements of a judicial system or society are not necessarily the best determiner of something’s intrinsic value. That was my only point. I know that you see Christ as someone by nature different than you. I don’t, but there is no point in arguing that. He himself said that you could be just like Him, but that requires awakening
the inherent true nature of your being, which is essentially the same as His. We are surely made in His image. The problem is that we are rapt by sentient experience in the same way a moth is preoccupied with a light bulb. So much so, that we have a hard time looking to see what is inward, and that is where He is to be found. Once He is found there, He is easily seen everywhere.

Again, I would agree that there are bad examples from every faith. You listed 11 charges against that group, and perhaps they were true. There wouldn’t be enough room on this thread for me to list the indictments of those who represented Christ through the Roman Catholic Church even in just the past 20 years or so, and these were for crimes that far surpass racketeering and fraud in their gravity depending on what value you place on a child’s innocence and well being. But the point would be the same. The point is that I do not hold these serious atrocities to represent the Catholic Church, any more than I hold the charges you mentioned to represent the character of the Hare Krishna movement, which as a disclaimer I am not part of anyway. The point is that most people in the Catholic Church, the Hare Krishna movement and all religions are probably very fine people with good intentions. We should be wary of the ones who behave badly, but we probably shouldn’t judge them. I don’t think that’s what we’re here for.

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I’m very sorry about your brother and your Dad. God bless them both and you as well.

Your friend
Sufjon

Hi Sufjon and you are correct there is no way that I could ever see Christ and myself in the same light. I could never see myself in the nature of human and divine. And you are right there is no sense in arguing the point it gets us no where.

Also as far as the Church goes, I agree many of our leaders have failed us, and while it makes me very sad of how they turned against Christ and his Church, I do not deny their sin. Just like Judas, he also betrayed Christ and turned to sin.

While I agree there are ones who have been accused falsely, there are ones who indeed are guilty and have done alot of damage to themself and the Church. And they should pay for the sin they committed, and I nor the Church have nor offer any excuse.

Thank you for you great compassion for my Brother and Father, You are a very sweet person.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

How you feel that me sending you to a pretty good source, accuses you of being a Cafeteria Catholic is beyond me.

Did you even read the portion I bolded. Your article =/= Church teaching. You’re not the Vatican so I suggest you humble yourself and stop implying that people don’t know what the Church teaches.

P.S.

And FYI? I can’t say I have the resources to read articles outside the internet. If you’re so desperate to have me read it, link it or stop wasting my time.

 

[rinnie]

Did you even read the portion I bolded. Your article =/= Church teaching. You’re not the Vatican so I suggest you humble yourself and stop implying that people don’t know what the Church teaches.

P.S.

And FYI? I can’t say I have the resources to read articles outside the internet. If you’re so desperate to have me read it, link it or stop wasting my time.

I never said I was the Vatican. But since you asked here is what the Vatican Does teach.

In a 62 page document callled Jesus Christ the bearer of water of life, it says Yoga, Zen, and Tantric Exercises lead to experiences of self fulfillment or enlightment according to the new agers.

Fr Amorth who is the Vatican Exorcist says Yoga, Zen, T.E. are UNACCEPTABLE to Christians.

Pope JPll Said NO.

According to Clare Merkle a former new ager and Practioneer there is NO SUCH thing as Christian Yoga.

The Physical postures have Occult significances and can trigger reeactions just as the breathing and mind word do.

 

[rinnie]

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Er, no.

It’s[SIGN] a fine stretch to go from stretching to adopting an entire belief system[/SIGN]. Using herbs for alternative medicine does not make you a tree-worshiping neopagan. The truly false path here is to go from utilization to religion when there really is no connection.

Heck just because I create a fantasy race of elephant humanoids called let’s say, the Ganeshans (from the Hindu deity Ganesha) and give them a Hindu-inspired culture, doesn’t automatically mean I’m Hindu. I just happen to take the aesthetics of the Hindu religion and use them in a more utilitarian manner that’s devoid of any religious significance.

This is in not the teaching of the RCC! As the statement I provided to you by the Vatican.

I have learned one thing from my Dear Friend Mickey, sometimes it is better for some people to separate, and for You and I this is a given.

I have tried to be kind, and friendly, but as this last post will show it is not possible with you, you seem much too angry.
So it is better I take the high road and leave for now.

If anyone would like to P.M. Me with any questions, I wiil do my best to get you and infor. I can.

 

[rinnie]

Sufjon, as usual it was a pleasure, and I will meet you again, I am sure.

Love and prayers my friend. For now goodbye!