Hispanics leaving the Catholic Church?

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I often tune into Protestant radio for my interest, and yesterday at their news break they talked about how there were so many Hispanics leaving the Catholic Church because of wanting “more lively” service or something like that. It sounded different than the Hispanic Charismatic “lively mass” story from May.

Does anyone have a link to an article about Hispanics leaving the Church from the last week or so?
 
This one is from the spring.

pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=75
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_n36_v111/ai_16003299
catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=23909

In the end it comes down to the outreach and how the church fulfills or is precieved to fulfill their needs. The RCC has been on both sides of the proxy-wars over the past couple decades down there plus some of the masses do not reach the native communities as much.

Some of it is due to globalization, and the church sitting on the sidelines and that most of the recent focus seems to be on Europe and the move back towards some of those traditions alienate many Hispanics. That and the Evangelicals are just more active than we are.
 
This part from your first article sounds like what I heard:
Half of Hispanic evangelicals (51%) are converts, and more than four-fifths of them (43% of Hispanic evangelicals overall) are former Catholics.
But that is misleading. Since most Hispanics are Catholic to begin with, of course most of the converts are going to have been former Catholics.

Then here’s the part about the liveliness:
By an overwhelming majority (82%), Hispanics cite the desire for a more direct, personal experience with God as the main reason for adopting a new faith. Among those who have become evangelicals, nine-in-ten (90%) say it was this spiritual search that drove their conversion. A majority of evangelical converts (61%) say the typical Catholic mass is not lively or exciting, although only about one-in-three (36%) cite that as a reason for their conversion.
Is it really that Catholics are evangelizing more poorly? Or is the promise of a “personal experience” with Christ more marketable today? Nowhere here do I see “truth” as reason for leaving one church for another. I see “experience” as an emotional high of some kind. And I also think 1 out of 3 leaving by their own admission because the mass is boring is quite revealing of the same.

That reminds me of when Ricardo Montalban, who is Mexican, was on Catholic Answers Live. He shared how a priest taught him about the weakness of emotional faith vs. the conviction of experiencing the truth.

He said, “In Mexico, I used to go to Communion maybe once or twice a year, and I confess my sins and I felt so good and clean. And when I would go to Communion, and I have tears in my eyes, of emotion. And now, you know, I go to mass and Communion every Sunday, and now I go and I don’t feel anything. ‘Well, that’s good,’ [the priest said to me]. ‘Now you’re a Catholic of conviction. Before you were a Catholic of emotion which goes up and down according to your mood.’”
 
Most Latinos have very poor catechesis - or none at all -and it cuts across all economic classes.

The Catholic Church has been in the Western Hemisphere since 1493, but the Church in Latin America has never been as strong as many think it is or was. For centuries, a majority of the priests came from Spain or Portugal. When the Spanish colonies achieved independence, the leaders of the independence movements - Bolivar, San Martin, O’Higgins - were not Catholic.

Many of the caudillos who have ruled Latin American nations with an iron fist were anti-Catholic. Mexico has had a history of government hostility to the Catholic Church.

This it is no surprise to see many Latino immigrants be swayed to the Evangelical communities. They use platitudes and half-truths to bring poorly taught Catholics to their camps.

The truth is that the Church in Latin America is in trouble - a deeper trouble than the Church in the United States. The Church in Latin America has long had a vocations crisis. Short of money, teaching materials and teachers of the faith, many Latinos end up poorly taught in the Faith and continue it in some form because it’s in their culture to do so.
The infatuation with Liberation Theology in Latin America has had a detrimental effect on the entire Church there.
 
If they want something “lively” and entertaining, they can go to Las Vegas or Atlantic City. If they want to worship Christ who is present Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, they better stay in the Catholic Church. What we need is quality Catholics, not quantity.
 
The truth is that the Church in Latin America is in trouble - a deeper trouble than the Church in the United States. The Church in Latin America has long had a vocations crisis. Short of money, teaching materials and teachers of the faith, many Latinos end up poorly taught in the Faith and continue it in some form because it’s in their culture to do so.
The infatuation with Liberation Theology in Latin America has had a detrimental effect on the entire Church there.

The above statement is quite true. A lot of Hispanic protestants that I have met have gone through their conversion because of the incredible devotion that some Latinos have for the Virgin of Guadalupe. They have stated on many occasions that the veneration of this great Saint, as well as Juan Diego, is too great. They belive that the importance placed on Saints like these takes away from the importance of Christ himself.

I for one agree to a certain extent. Although I recognize these Saints as perfect examples to learn from in piety, humility, and obedience, I am one that has been taught HOW to pray for their intercession. Some people, not just Latinos, do not have this grace and proceed to ask for “things” such as help in troubled times. Once these “things” are granted and after much devotion and prayer to these Saints (with little mention of the name of Jesus that we hear vocally) they are instantly thanked and praised as the one who “solved the problem.” From the opinion of outside witnesses (in this case, Latinos in the community who are good with their Old Testament), it is the Saints themselves who do all the work, and there is no need for Jesus in one’s life. Along with these outsiders I agree that this is a very dangerous theology of Saints, but it is what is happening. People see other people bowing before staues and singing songs in praise for Saints like Our Lady of Guadalupe, Juan Diego, Saint Isidore, and Saint Jude, which is against the Evangelical / Pentecostal / Baptist teachings (graven images, “worshiping” other gods, etc.) that are being proclaimed in higher volumes in Mexico, Central and South America.
In my apologetic efforts to explain the difference between veneration and worship, as well as a host of other Bible verses, the truth is that the devotion that people have towards the intercession of Saints should, in fact, bring people closer to Christ. We are unable to look into the hearts of people and see whether this devotion is bringing them closer to Christ, but that is something that a lot of people don’t understand. Some merely dismiss this act as blasphemy and continue to build their “individual relationship” with Jesus on their own, when in reality its a universal community we are called to be, this side of heaven or the other.
 
Most Latinos have very poor catechesis - or none at all -and it cuts across all economic classes.

The Catholic Church has been in the Western Hemisphere since 1493, but the Church in Latin America has never been as strong as many think it is or was. For centuries, a majority of the priests came from Spain or Portugal. When the Spanish colonies achieved independence, the leaders of the independence movements - Bolivar, San Martin, O’Higgins - were not Catholic.

Many of the caudillos who have ruled Latin American nations with an iron fist were anti-Catholic. Mexico has had a history of government hostility to the Catholic Church.

This it is no surprise to see many Latino immigrants be swayed to the Evangelical communities. They use platitudes and half-truths to bring poorly taught Catholics to their camps.

The truth is that the Church in Latin America is in trouble - a deeper trouble than the Church in the United States. The Church in Latin America has long had a vocations crisis. Short of money, teaching materials and teachers of the faith, many Latinos end up poorly taught in the Faith and continue it in some form because it’s in their culture to do so.
The infatuation with Liberation Theology in Latin America has had a detrimental effect on the entire Church there.
This is an excellent analysis of what is happening with the Latin Americans. 👍
 
Is it really that Catholics are evangelizing more poorly? Or is the promise of a “personal experience” with Christ more marketable today? Nowhere here do I see “truth” as reason for leaving one church for another. I see “experience” as an emotional high of some kind. And I also think 1 out of 3 leaving by their own admission because the mass is boring is quite revealing of the same.

That reminds me of when Ricardo Montalban, who is Mexican, was on Catholic Answers Live. He shared how a priest taught him about the weakness of emotional faith vs. the conviction of experiencing the truth.

He said, “In Mexico, I used to go to Communion maybe once or twice a year, and I confess my sins and I felt so good and clean. And when I would go to Communion, and I have tears in my eyes, of emotion. And now, you know, I go to mass and Communion every Sunday, and now I go and I don’t feel anything. ‘Well, that’s good,’ [the priest said to me]. ‘Now you’re a Catholic of conviction. Before you were a Catholic of emotion which goes up and down according to your mood.’”
An interesting point by the priest, though I’m not sure I agree. Wouldn’t it be better to be a Catholic of both conviction AND emotion? That is how I feel, especially after attending a Latin Mass.
 
The truth is that the Church in Latin America is in trouble - a deeper trouble than the Church in the United States. The Church in Latin America has long had a vocations crisis. Short of money, teaching materials and teachers of the faith, many Latinos end up poorly taught in the Faith and continue it in some form because it’s in their culture to do so.
The infatuation with Liberation Theology in Latin America has had a detrimental effect on the entire Church there.
As you say, the US Church may not be in quite as deep trouble, but only by a matter of degrees. The same vocational crisis, the shortfall of money and teachers, and infatuation with poor theological teaching has had the same detrimental effect here, as in Latin America.
 
An interesting point by the priest, though I’m not sure I agree. Wouldn’t it be better to be a Catholic of both conviction AND emotion? That is how I feel, especially after attending a Latin Mass.
I see what you are saying. But to me, the priest was not excluding the Catholic of emotion, he was excluding Catholics of emotion ONLY. A person who can still go to mass and participate even when it doesn’t happen to bring him an emotional high is to be commended for his conviction.

That’s how I understood it anyway!
 
I see what you are saying. But to me, the priest was not excluding the Catholic of emotion, he was excluding Catholics of emotion ONLY. A person who can still go to mass and participate even when it doesn’t happen to bring him an emotional high is to be commended for his conviction.

That’s how I understood it anyway!
But the priest was commenting on what Ricardo Montalban said “and now I go and I don’t feel anything” which does seem to completely exclude emotion, and congratulating him for it.
 
But the priest was commenting on what Ricardo Montalban said “and now I go and I don’t feel anything” which does seem to completely exclude emotion, and congratulating him for it.
Since Ricardo was speaking unrehearsed, I think he meant that he didn’t have the tears and spiritual high…i.e. he didn’t “feel anything” like that. Also, his mastery of English isn’t quite there. I guess you could listen to the episode and decide the context for yourself. It’s a good interview…I recommend it!
 
Since Ricardo was speaking unrehearsed, I think he meant that he didn’t have the tears and spiritual high…i.e. he didn’t “feel anything” like that. Also, his mastery of English isn’t quite there. I guess you could listen to the episode and decide the context for yourself. It’s a good interview…I recommend it!
Actually, I did listen to it, and found it fascinating, as well as informative.
 
There is a lot of anti-clericalism in Mexico and, I believe, in Latin America. In theory all these folks were Catholics, but I don’t think the theory was borne out in practice. Many of the observations above are in point.
 
I often tune into Protestant radio for my interest, and yesterday at their news break they talked about how there were so many Hispanics leaving the Catholic Church because of wanting “more lively” service or something like that. It sounded different than the Hispanic Charismatic “lively mass” story from May.

Does anyone have a link to an article about Hispanics leaving the Church from the last week or so?
sounds like a problem of the heart to me, church is not supposed to be entertanment, it is supposed to be solemn worship. someone needs to teach them as well as most people it seems today, that life isnt all about excitement and worship is most definitely not about excitement in the least.
 
I think part of the problem at least at our parish, there is some bigotry between the two ethnic groups…the Slavs that organized the church decades ago and the new immigrant community. As a result, the new immigrant community of Hispanics do not really feel they have a home there. There is no language ministry offered or at the best just cursory ministry. There is no Spanish-speaking priest available for confession etc. I am praying that it ends peacably and our parish can unite under the one banner of Christ.

Isn’t there a song, IN Christ, there is no East or West…
I think some people in our parish will be surprised at their final judgment that God does not have any ethnicity…at least not one that resembles there’s. More reasons to pray.
 
Instead of crying out, I think it would be better to reach out for our brothers and sisters who might be swayed by other churches. Many leave not because of those lively services, but because they feel that no one reaches out to them in their parishes. This is in part due to a lack of priests; a parish priest here in the Philippines observed that in his parish, there are about 1 priest for 40,000 parishioners. And they only have 3 priests in their parish, so you can see how large that parish is and how badly in need are they for more priests. Even in one year, a priest cannot possibly go to each of those 40,000. So we should do our part in reaching out to them, and show them that the Church cares for them.
 
The whole language thing will hopefully be aided by an increase in Tridentine/Latin masses.
 
The whole language thing will hopefully be aided by an increase in Tridentine/Latin masses.
Would that be because we will be equally lost as to what is happening and what is being said? How many actually know latin?
 
Would that be because we will be equally lost as to what is happening and what is being said? How many actually know latin?
No because the common language for centuries unites us, and interlinear books provided are for those who don’t understand as well. I don’t know Latin and I follow a Latin mass just fine. If you are lost there, you can always stick with an English mass!
 
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