Historical Christianity is One, Holy, Catholic, & Apostolic Church

[Mannyfit75]

I can’t keep up. I am not even sure who to answer. I will look to see if anyone has good points.

So far we testify before you the historical Christian Church is Catholic.

Yet, you dismiss our claims. You can continue to disagree with us because there is no proof text that Jesus Christ’s Church was not Catholic.

“Go into the whole world and preached the gospel to the whole creation.” (See Mark 16:15) shows that the Church is indeed universal.

 

[Rightlydivide]

Which all points to the Catholic Church. Which Protestant Church can traced their Church to the Apostles? They all started by Martin Luther in the 1500s. Pretty late don’t you think?

No not at all…God waited how long to reveal his son to the world" And than chose to do such in an isolated corner with no television cameras or recorders. Only 33% of the world calls themselves Christians. That means at the best 67% of the world suffers eternal torment in hell. Pretty late, praise God he did at all. We are not deserving of heaven, only through the grace and mercy of God do we not end up in hell.
Pretty late? No, not at all. 1500 years is a speck in eternity and God’s time is not your time.

 

[DarkMark]

I can’t keep up. I am not even sure who to answer. I will look to see if anyone has good points.

We all gave solid answers proving our claims, but you have not refuted our claims.

Jesus said “He who have ears let him listen”.

 

[Rightlydivide]

So far we testify before you the historical Christian Church is Catholic.

Yet, you dismiss our claims. You can continue to disagree with us because there is no proof text that Jesus Christ’s Church was not Catholic.

“Go into the whole world and preached the gospel to the whole creation.” (See Mark 16:15) shows that the Church is indeed universal.

What a stretch. The Catholic Church preaches the gospel? I have never heard a decent homily in my life. That is why so many Catholics leave for other churches.

 

[DarkMark]

No not at all…God waited how long to reveal his son to the world" And than chose to do such in an isolated corner with no television cameras or recorders. Only 33% of the world calls themselves Christians. That means at the best 67% of the world suffers eternal torment in hell. Pretty late, praise God he did at all. We are not deserving of heaven, only through the grace and mercy of God do we not end up in hell.
Pretty late? No, not at all. 1500 years is a speck in eternity and God’s time is not your time.

All this disprove what? The Bible and Church History proves the Catholic Church is Christ’ Church. He said He will guide Her to all truth, and His Bride will not fall into corruption. Again, I ask, which Church (Baptist, Mormons, etc) was He speaking to?

If God waited till the 1500s to reveal the truth, then which Protestant Church is the true Church? So God left His Church unguided for 1500 years? Kinda breaking His Promised isn’t He? If it is the Lutherans, then why are you not Lutheran? Of course God’s time is not our time, but He alreadly established His Church 2000 years ago. The Protestant Church is a very new Body.

 

[DarkMark]

What a stretch. The Catholic Church preaches the gospel? I have never heard a decent homily in my life. That is why so many Catholics leave for other churches.

You may not but half of us have. The Catholic Church has preached the Gospel since Jesus gave Her authority to do so. I have heard so many decent homilies!

 

[Rightlydivide]

All this disprove what? The Bible and Church History proves the Catholic Church is Christ’ Church. He said He will guide Her to all truth, and His Bride will not fall into corruption. Again, I ask, which Church (Baptist, Mormons, etc) was He speaking to?

It is not a name. The church is the church. There is only one verse that I think really addresses that question but that is all we need ! All who are saved.

Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

 

[Mannyfit75]

What a stretch. The Catholic Church preaches the gospel? I have never heard a decent homily in my life. That is why so many Catholics leave for other churches.

Not really. Considering the following statistics in 2007:

Vatican, Feb. 12, 2007 (CWNews.com) - The world’s Catholic population grew by 17 million in 2005– the last year for which full statistics are available-- according to the annual Vatican yearbook, the Annuario Pontificio.

Despite an increase from 1.098 billion to 1.115 billion, the Catholic proportion of the world’s population remained virtually, because the Catholic population grew at a rate (1.5%) barely above the overall population growth rate (1.2%).

Cardinal Tarciscio Bertone, the Vatican Secretary of State, formally presented the first copy of this year’s Annuario Pontificio to Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) at a private audience on February 12. Cardinal Bertone was accompanied to the audience by Archbishop Leonardo Sandri, the deputy Secretary of State, whose office is responsible for the annual compilation of statistics.

During the year covered by the latest volume, 2004-2005, the Catholic population grew most rapidly in Africa, at 3.1%, while overall population growth in Africa was 2.1%. The Catholic population also grew faster than the overall population in Asia (2.7% to 1.2%) and the Americas (1.2% to 0.9%). (The Vatican treats North and South America as a single continent for statistical purposes.) In Europe the Catholic population increased only slightly, but general population growth was almost flat.

The number of Catholic priests in the world grew slightly over the same year, from 405,891 to 406,411, or 0.13%. That growth was uneven, with increases in Africa (3.8%) and Asia (3.5%) nearly offset by declines in Europe (0.5%), the Americas (0.5%), and Oceania (1.8%). Similarly, seminary enrollment rose in Africa and Asia but fell in Europe and Oceania, with the Americas holding steady.

There were 12 new episcopal sees created during the year, and 9 metropolitan sees. Altogether there were 180 new bishops appointed in the course of the year.

For every Catholic who leaves, thousands more join the Catholic Church from Protestant Churches. There is no decline in Catholic population.

 

[Rightlydivide]

Not really. Considering the following statistics in 2007:

Vatican, Feb. 12, 2007 (CWNews.com) - The world’s Catholic population grew by 17 million in 2005– the last year for which full statistics are available-- according to the annual Vatican yearbook, the Annuario Pontificio.

Despite an increase from 1.098 billion to 1.115 billion, the Catholic proportion of the world’s population remained virtually, because the Catholic population grew at a rate (1.5%) barely above the overall population growth rate (1.2%).

Cardinal Tarciscio Bertone, the Vatican Secretary of State, formally presented the first copy of this year’s Annuario Pontificio to Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) at a private audience on February 12. Cardinal Bertone was accompanied to the audience by Archbishop Leonardo Sandri, the deputy Secretary of State, whose office is responsible for the annual compilation of statistics.

During the year covered by the latest volume, 2004-2005, the Catholic population grew most rapidly in Africa, at 3.1%, while overall population growth in Africa was 2.1%. The Catholic population also grew faster than the overall population in Asia (2.7% to 1.2%) and the Americas (1.2% to 0.9%). (The Vatican treats North and South America as a single continent for statistical purposes.) In Europe the Catholic population increased only slightly, but general population growth was almost flat.

The number of Catholic priests in the world grew slightly over the same year, from 405,891 to 406,411, or 0.13%. That growth was uneven, with increases in Africa (3.8%) and Asia (3.5%) nearly offset by declines in Europe (0.5%), the Americas (0.5%), and Oceania (1.8%). Similarly, seminary enrollment rose in Africa and Asia but fell in Europe and Oceania, with the Americas holding steady.

There were 12 new episcopal sees created during the year, and 9 metropolitan sees. Altogether there were 180 new bishops appointed in the course of the year.

For every Catholic who leaves, thousands more join the Catholic Church from Protestant Churches. There is no decline in Catholic population.

Yes but what was your percentage of Christians 500 years ago…
things are looking up!
But do not get me wrong, I prefer the Catholic church growth over the false relgions of Islam and Hinduism.

 

[Mannyfit75]

It is not a name. The church is the church. There is only one verse that I think really addresses that question but that is all we need ! All who are saved.

Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

The Church then is Catholic. Not divided you see in Protestantism. Jesus Christ’s Church has always been Catholic.

 

[DarkMark]

It is not a name. The church is the church. There is only one verse that I think really addresses that question but that is all we need ! All who are saved.

Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

But which Church contains the truth and can trace their history back to the Apostles? The Protestant Churches are divided. By all possible answers, it must be the Catholic Church. . . .

Christ said He will guide His Church to all truth, but you say He was wrong and some how His Church fell into corruption. . . .

Again if God waited till the 1500’s to reveal the truth, which Protestant Church has the truth? They can’t all be right can’t they?

 

[Mannyfit75]

Yes but what was your percentage of Christians 500 years ago…things are looking up!
But do not get me wrong, I prefer the Catholic church growth over the false relgions of Islam and Hinduism.

That wasn’t 500 yrs ago. That is the most current one. I have not found any population of 500 yrs ago. Since this is not dealing with the topic, I won’t discuss this further.

 

[Mannyfit75]

With an estimated 2.1 billion adherents, or approximately 33% of the world’s population in 2007,[3] Christianity is the world’s largest religion. It is the predominant religion in Europe, the Americas, Southern Africa, the Philippines and Oceania.[4] It is also growing rapidly in Africa and Asia, particularly in China, South Korea and the Middle East.[5]

Christianity only make up 33% of the 6 billion people on this planet. 2.1 billion. 1.115 billion of which are Catholic.

 

[Rightlydivide]

The Church then is Catholic. Not divided you see in Protestantism. Jesus Christ’s Church has always been Catholic.

No way. Not divided?? Are you serious? The traditionalists and the whole vatican 2 debacle. One? NO way.

 

[Rightlydivide]

But which Church contains the truth and can trace their history back to the Apostles? The Protestant Churches are divided. By all possible answers, it must be the Catholic Church. . . .

Christ said He will guide His Church to all truth, but you say He was wrong and some how His Church fell into corruption. . . .

Again if God waited till the 1500’s to reveal the truth, which Protestant Church has the truth? They can’t all be right can’t they?

God has guided his church. It is no coincidence that people started dropping Catholicism when they actually got to read his word. God’s timing is not ours.

 

[DarkMark]

No way. Not divided?? Are you serious? The traditionalists and the whole vatican 2 debacle. One? NO way.

The Catholic has and will always will always be one. No one can called themselves Catholic while at the same time not believe some Catholic doctrines. … . .

 

[Rightlydivide]

The Catholic has and will always will always be one. No one can called themselves Catholic while at the same time not believe some Catholic doctrines. … . .

So that means there are probably…a couple of hundred of you Catholics? Seriously the only ones I have met are on the computer that actually believe what the Catholic Church teaches

 

[DarkMark]

God has guided his church. It is no coincidence that people started dropping Catholicism when they actually got to read his word. God’s timing is not ours.

If God guided His Church then the Catholic Church must be the true Church. No other other Church can make that claim. Again, which Church have God guided for the last 2000 years? Which Church can trace their history back to the Apostles?

Where did those people went after “dropping” Catholicism? Which Church? Or did they made their “own” Church at Home?

 

[Mannyfit75]

No way. Not divided?? Are you serious? The traditionalists and the whole vatican 2 debacle. One? NO way.

These are Schismatics Catholics. The unity of the Church is defined in the **whole teaching office **of the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.

The so called SPPX, traditionalist Catholics, and other Catholics who are in disagreement with the teaching of the Magisterium find themselves at odds with the Church of Christ. They show their lack of obedience to the Catholic Church, and recognization of Pope Benedict XVI as the successor of Peter.

They themselves are divided, and could not agree fully. When it comes to the teaching on faith and moral, the teachings is one faith, one belief.

I don’t believe Vatican Council II is a debacle. It open doors to an openless of the Catholic Church in the 20th Century. It make the Mass into the venacular language.

 

[DarkMark]

**So that means there are probably…a couple of hundred of you Catholics? ** Seriously the only ones I have met are on the computer that actually believe what the Catholic Church teaches

Do you have any statistics? I have not meet any Catholic that disagree with one doctrine Christ’ Church teaches, and if they do then they separate themselves from Christ’ Church. How many Catholics reject the real presence in the Eucharist? If they do, they are not really Catholics to begin with. . . .

Ever since Martin Luther, people have left Christ’s Church, and they all claim to have the truth!