Historical movies you would like to see

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My point was exactly that. The movie made a hero of Cromwell and he was anything but. It did not accurately cover what he did anymore than there has been a movie about the Yankee Irish troops who threatened to mutiny rather than burn the Catholic Church in New Roads, LA during the War of Northern Agression. History (and movies) are written by the victors which is why I said an historically accurate version of what Cromwell.

You are preaching to the choir. 😃
 
My point was exactly that. The movie made a hero of Cromwell and he was anything but. It did not accurately cover what he did anymore than there has been a movie about the Yankee Irish troops who threatened to mutiny rather than burn the Catholic Church in New Roads, LA during the War of Northern Agression. History (and movies) are written by the victors which is why I said an historically accurate version of what Cromwell.

You are preaching to the choir. 😃
Alleluia!
 
I saw that Cromwell movie. It is heretic garbage that makes Cromwell out to be some sort of Puritan “Savior”.
 
I saw an earlier post that listed some of the penal laws has any body seen them all ? interesting reading. has anyone been to IRISH FAMINE MEMORIAL in NY city. Its across the street from W.T.C. site on vesey st.
 
I saw an earlier post that listed some of the penal laws has any body seen them all ? interesting reading. has anyone been to IRISH FAMINE MEMORIAL in NY city. Its across the street from W.T.C. site on vesey st.
Of all the places in the world I’ve been to, (I was in the Navy for two deployments), I have never made it to New York City, but I plan on going there. Thank you for adding another site to see when I go.

Sláinte
 
It’s a great place, its free the best time to go is summer time when vegetation is growing. plants &grass are from the other side . It is a replica of an famine era farm & there is a stone from every co. in Ireland. around the base there is info about the genocide that took place. [OK I won’t get on my soap box about the so called famine] it will take tou a couple of hours the first time you go to see it, but once is not enough to absorb every thing thats there.
 
Here is more of what I would like to see:

-a movie which juxtaposes the slavery of Black people in the U.S. with the slavery/“indentured servant” of the Irish in the U.S. I would not wish this to be intentionally cruel, although life’s contradictions contain cruelties; I would like to see how the oppression of one group may have affected the other. Were some Blacks and Irish oblivious to the mistreatment of the other and how did that manifest in behavior? Mutual respect? disrespect? an inability to recognize another’s victimization?

The first time I ever heard of such history was from my Black Ethnic Studies professor who taught me about the similarities between the African-Americans and the Irish-Americans and yet how unspoken and insidious that similarity was and is.
  • I would like to see the truth about the origins of the anti-slavery movement, even if it hurts the sacred cows of some particular group or religion.
-I’d also like to see something about the millions of people who have suffered and died under communism, whether it be Lenin, Stalin, Mao, whomever. Where did they go? Who memorializes them?

-History seems to bring us to some kind of agreement, however tenuous, on the injustice of what has already occurred; How do we find that kind of perspective BEFORE the next massacre, enslavement, holocaust?

-And has anyone written any play or screenplay about the Catholics in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
 
Here are some more thoughts:
  • A movie about the battle of Wake Island, from the perspective of an American marine. Another World War 2 film from an American perspective could be a US paratrooper in Operation Market Garden.
  • A movie about the eastern front in World War 2 from the perspective of a regular German infantryman. Most of the German troops on the eastern front were just drafted or idealistic kids who had to suffer in some of the most brutal fighting imaginable, in addition to having fanatical superiors who neglected the common soldier.
  • A movie about the horrible French Revolution, from the perspective of a priest who is persecuted by the revolutionaries.
  • A movie about the Spanish Armada from the Spanish perspective.
  • A movie about the Cuban revolution that shows Che Guereva for the monster he really was.
BTW, I’m glad they are making a movie about Col. Claus Von Stauffenburg (it is called Valkyrie). It is sure to be interesting.
 
Here is more of what I would like to see:

-a movie which juxtaposes the slavery of Black people in the U.S. with the slavery/“indentured servant” of the Irish in the U.S. I would not wish this to be intentionally cruel, although life’s contradictions contain cruelties; I would like to see how the oppression of one group may have affected the other. Were some Blacks and Irish oblivious to the mistreatment of the other and how did that manifest in behavior? Mutual respect? disrespect? an inability to recognize another’s victimization?

The first time I ever heard of such history was from my Black Ethnic Studies professor who taught me about the similarities between the African-Americans and the Irish-Americans and yet how unspoken and insidious that similarity was and is.
Obviously, we can never truly answer these questions because we do not have much historical documentation. I can tell you that the manner how each group was treated have some differences, but many similarities. For example, the English on the island of Barbados sold Irish slave and African slaves at different prices. And the fact is that the African slave sold for much more than the Irish slave. I believe I read that the African slave, during the 1660-1680 era, was sold for 10 - 12 pounds sterling, while the Irish slave was sold for maybe 2-3 pounds sterling. There was such a hatred for the Irish (sorry to offend) “papist” by the English that they would gladly sell an Irish Catholic into slavery and not even make much of a profit over the voyage from Ireland.

I contend that the African slaves and the Irish slaves not only knew about each others enslavement, but shared in the barbarity. A sugar plantation owner would have had a multitude of each working the cane. It was not uncommon to see pale skinned, freckled, sun-burnt young men working alongside those of darker skin. Skilled Irish, like those who did accounting and other useful tasks, were saved from the most heinous of treatment, very much serving like a house slave. The slave-owners also did some extremely egregious things to the slaves on Barbados. Some plantation owners even took strong African men and young Irish girls, pre-teen to teen, of child-bearing years and attempt to breed out the “blackness” of the African slave community. There are even accounts written of Mulattoes serving as supervisors over the Irish slaves, who were considered seditious scum. Pregnant women, African or Irish, were forced to work the sugar cane fields up until labor began. Many children would have been born right there in the fields. Once the child was born, the mother was expected to get right back to work. If a pregnant women offended in some way, the Mulatto slave-master would force her to dig a hole in the ground, then lay down on the ground, over the hole, so that she could be beaten without damaging the child in her womb. There were a great number of other atrocities; too many to name.

I apologize if these accounts causes you any grief. But this topic has been swept under the rug far too long. Without glossing over the plight and torment of the African slave during their several hundred years of slavery, I think that it is important that people know that the Irish have also suffered hundreds of years of torture and mistreatment as well, though it has been kept from the annals of history. From war and slavery, to penal laws and famine, the Irish have suffered much and have not been given any real justice in history.
 
originally posted by Roman Crusader
A movie about the horrible French Revolution, from the perspective of a priest who is persecuted by the revolutionaries.
Yes, A MUST. Let’s show the how French in helping us during the War brought about famine in their country when their crops failed, show the “Carmelete Martyrs of Compiegne”, bring in the “Enlightment” philosphers (liberalism) and the despotic leader Bonaparte.

The sequel to the movie would relate it to the “Enlightment” and “Transcendentalism” in the US Protestant Churches, and Penal Code laws for Catholics,etc.

Let’s finally separate the bad French Revolution from the American War of Independence.
 
Did anyone see the movie a couple of years ago called BLOODY SUNDAY ? it took place jan. 30 1972 brit soldiers opened fire on unarmed demonstrators. should be available on DVD
 
My father and mother taught us one song and we always thought it was an old Irish song; the one song that all of the siblings knew.

Come to find out, on these forums, it wasn’t even Irish. It was a Civil War song.
 
Did anyone see the movie a couple of years ago called BLOODY SUNDAY ? it took place jan. 30 1972 brit soldiers opened fire on unarmed demonstrators. should be available on DVD
I want to see that along with Michael Collins. I’ve known about the incident for a while, because U2 did a song (my favorite song by them, actually) about Bloody Sunday. It was surely a terrible day- and oft over looked by England’s buddies… you never hear about it over here.
 
it could have been an irish civil war song. either from an irish brigade from the north or from the rebel sons of St Patrick in the south . how sad the irish were forced to fight against each other.not to mention americans fighting against each other. theres that word “civil war” Idon’t know whats civil about it . some one better start a Civil War thread I guess!!!
 
originally posted by celtic crusader
it could have been an irish civil war song
I don’t know if they had “Irish” Civil War songs.I think it is just a basic song. Here

mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=429

is a link to “there was an old soldier”.

My fathers version had a soldier talking to a sailor?

It is possible they changed the words. I know “my little piggy” got “corn beef”.
 
What are some historical movies you would like to see? And from what perspective?

Here are mine:
  • A movie about the Crusades from the crusader viewpoint (none of this “Kingdom of Heaven” anti-Christian junk).
  • A movie about the Siege of Vienna from the Austrian viewpoint.
  • A movie about the Winter War from the Finnish perspective.
  • A movie about the Spanish Civil War from the nationalist (Franco) perspective.
I’d love to see a movie about the Battle of Poiters. I’d like it to be directed by the guy who did The 300, (forgot his name). Awesome.
 
Did anyone see the movie a couple of years ago called BLOODY SUNDAY ? it took place jan. 30 1972 brit soldiers opened fire on unarmed demonstrators. should be available on DVD
I’ve seen it - it’s a very good movie. It’s done in a documentary style. If I remember correctly, they used a lot of real people who had been involved in the real occasion in the movie.
 
Hmmhh…historical movies I would like to see…

-A film about the American Revolution from the perspective of a British soldier

-A film about Alexander Nevsky and the battles against the Teutons

-A film about St. Patrick

-A film about the 1798 Irish revolution

-A film about the battle between the English and the Spanish armada

I’ll have to think of some more. This is fun. 🙂
 
The Battle of Hastings–the storyboard has alredy been done for 800+ years (the Bayeux Tapestry)–from both the English and Norman perpectives–and have the Association of Renaissance Martial Arts (www.thearma.org) do the fight scenes right
 
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