History is not necessarily what the European people wrote

[JLSamuel818]

Hi

There is no harm in praying; and pray you must. Second Coming has specially emphasized for praying regularly.

Jesus prayers to God Allah in the garden of Gethsemane were heard and God Allah saved his life and he died a natural and peaceful death in Kashmir. So the prayers do bring fruit.

I like that you pray regularly five times a day and also spend money in charity.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

With love and grace of GodAllah

Kind words! I will pray for you.

The second coming has not yet come. For when the Lord comes in his next coming, He will pull out the weeds out of His garden, and cast them to the burning furnace.

The Lord loves all, and I will pray, to the all merciful, loving, and caring God. That He may grant you a light, to see the Truth. So that the blindness that you say is truth, will be put to light, and you shall see the real Truth, and the blindness shall blind you no more.

I pray, please. If you listen, do not harden your heart. For He will come like the wind from the heavens. Listen, to the voice that calls upon you, for He comes to give you the good news… the Kingdom of God has already arrived.

With love and grace,
_[Samuel]

 

[a_mirror_dimly]

Hm, out of a strange curiosity I looked up who this odd religious figure paar keeps referring to actually was:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Ghulam_Ahmad

Personally, if you’re asking me to decide whether I believe the accounts of Jesus’ life as given by His contemporaries, or that which Mirza Ghulam Ahmad decided to weave together over 18 centuries later without historical evidence to back it up then that’s not a hard decision to make.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

History is in my opinion a secular record of events at any point of time anywhere in the world. I am neither a historian nor a scholar nor a priest. I am just an ordinary sinful man in the street desiring my salvation wherever the Truth could lead me. So, I don’t have to be biased as sometimes an historian or a scholar or a priest has to save his name or neck.

I ask just a simple question?

If Jones is absent from London and he emerges in New York and many people see him there: would anybody with senses, please don’t mind, believe that he is ascended to heavens?

When Jesus absented himself from Judea, after the event of crucifixion as you know, in which he survived by the grace of God. He later fearing from the persecuting Jews; and of course with the permission of God Allah migrated from Judea and went to India.

Yet another evidence of Jesus going to India after crucifixion from Hindu sources

Courtesy: indiadivine.org/articles/236/1/Bhavishya-Purana-The-Prediction-of-Jesus-Christ/Page1.html

King Salivahana meets Jesus Christ

We give here excerpts from the above mentioned Vedas:

Text 23

ko bharam iti tam praaha
su hovacha mudanvitah
iishaa purtagm maam viddhi
kumaarigarbha sambhavam

"The king asked, ‘Who are you sir?’ 'You should know that I am Isha Putra, the Son of God’. he replied blissfully, and ‘am born of a virgin.’ "

Texts 25 - 26

shruto vaaca mahaaraaja
praapte satyasya samkshaye
nirmaaryaade mlechadeshe
masiiho 'ham samagatah
iishaamasii ca dasyuunaa
praadurbhuutaa bhayankarii
taamaham mlecchataah praapya
masiihatva mupaagatah

“Hearing this questions of Salivahara, Isha putra said, ‘O king, when the destruction of the truth occurred, I, Masiha the prophet, came to this country of degraded people where there are no rules and regulations. Finding that fearful irreligious condition of the barbarians spreading from Mleccha-Desha, I have taken to prophethood’.”

Text 30

isha muurtirt-dradi praptaa
nityashuddha sivamkari
ishamasihah iti ca
mama nama pratishthitam

“Having placed the eternally pure and auspicious form of the Supreme Lord in my heart, O protector of the earth planet, I preached these principles through the Mlecchas’ own faith and thus my name became ‘isha-masiha’ (Jesus the Messiah).”
indiadivine.org/articles/236/1/Bhavishya-Purana-The-Prediction-of-Jesus-Christ/Page1.html

For details please access the above link.

Paarsurrey:

Hindus don’t believe in Jesus; yet they have recorded a crucial meeting of Jesus with King Salivahana, of India. Catholics are charitable people; please see that when Jesus absented himself from Judea, he emerged in India. Indians mythology has got nothing to do with Jesus; yet they could not deny that one of their kings did meet Jesus. Please be with Truth.

No compulsion whatsoever in matters of faith.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

 

[cthulhubryan]

Hm, out of a strange curiosity I looked up who this odd religious figure paar keeps referring to actually was:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Ghulam_Ahmad

Personally, if you’re asking me to decide whether I believe the accounts of Jesus’ life as given by His contemporaries, or that which Mirza Ghulam Ahmad decided to weave together over 18 centuries later without historical evidence to back it up then that’s not a hard decision to make.

The syncretism used by paar and others is a long time-tested method used by those seeking political advantage or monetary gain.

Syncretism (merging of multiple deities into one) began with the ancient egyptians as a way to combine deities to pay less monies to the temples thus amon and ra became amon-ra. Akhen and Aten became Akhenaten.

This continued through Islam when Mohammed merged several tribal deities into the one of Allah. Syncretism exists aplenty in the Indian subcontinent but in more unusual forms and often involving deities popular in one region that are unpopular or even hunted in others (Kali is a major example and Kali syncretism became very popular after the destruction of the Thuggees by the British in the 1830s.

Thus you see people using the names of varied deities to try to gain acceptance as either a reform of one or the other of these deities or to seek acceptance as an alternative to one or the other.

 

[sambos671]

Hi

God bless you! Please don’t get furious. Have a little rest; and then research the things once again when you get cool.

Don’t believe, in my opinion, anything with a blind faith; neither of the past, nor of the present, Jesus does not want that.

Jesus and Mary wanted that everyone should believe things after making a research and providing eyes and ears to one’s faith. That is why they both of them travelled to so far-off a places like Persia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kashmir, Tibet and India; and all perhaps on foot and died a natural and peaceful death in India.

Since, you love Jesus and Mary; you should read anything about them which other nations had recorded in the history very closely and intently. That would be paying a good tribute to both of them.

Peace; no compulsion

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks

Thanks

You forgot Mohammad. You still sound B’hai.

 

[sambos671]

Hi

I think I should provide more evidence on Jesus and Mary living and dieing naturally and peacefully in India.

This evidence is from a documentary from the BBC.One may google for it or access the link below:

Did Jesus die on the Cross? a BBC documentary:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1669658378154953060&q

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

You know this stuff is not credible? A lady named Prophit also tried to link Jesus to Egyptian and Indian mystery religions. I have also seen the video Zeitgiest which also has problems such as non accuracies. You know I’ve read the summarian epics which aren’t exactly on track with evidence. What we know for sure about Jesus. He lived and died there were witnesses to his resurection. Beyond that all else is speculation without evidence. I find no difference between these statments and Joseph Smith about Jesus hanging out with a lost tribe of Israel in the Americas. Still you sound B’hai.

 

[Archangelum]

Now this is some pretty funny stuff! A good example of how the massive streams of information modern man is daily blasted with are sending religious people in complete disarray. We are asked there to read “Google” instead of the Gospels and take whatever we read on the net as the absolute truth. Isn’t that dangerous as well as nuts?

 

[sambos671]

Now this is some pretty funny stuff! A good example of how the massive streams of information modern man is daily blasted with are sending religious people in complete disarray. We are asked there to read “Google” instead of the Gospels and take whatever we read on the net as the absolute truth. Isn’t that dangerous as well as nuts?

Ata est.