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estesbob
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I had the same questionExcuse me, maybe I’m old, senile and blind but where the hell did you get this?!?!?!?!
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Lujack
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Check the second post in the thread, perhaps?Excuse me, maybe I’m old, senile and blind but where the hell did you get this?!?!?!?!
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maryjk
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Excuse me, maybe I’m old, senile and blind but where the hell did you get this?!?!?!?!
The second post said nothing about anyone that “earned it.” It said this
My father has COPD. He smoked for 40 years. It is the price he paid. Did he earn COPD? No. Could he have avoided it? Yep.
Many people have AIDS or HIV. Most are/were drug users or had sex with someone infected. Did they earn AIDS or HIV? No. Could they have avoided it? Yep.
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oldcelt
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I was born with asthma…doesn’t matter…I have a feeling that what we are seeing is a fail-safe…call it God or nature. There are more things to come involving overpopulation.
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Dale_M
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Huh?
Bob, you claimed that the majority of African-American women who die from AIDS have gotten their infections from intravenous drug use. Please present your evidence to support that claim.
Actually, it doesn’t. As the graph shows, at one time intravenous drug use was the second leading cause of HIV infection, but that is no longer true.
And, again, I would point out that grouping all populations together is misleading. Effective programs, at least in the US, need to target specific ethnic groups and the risks they encounter.
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Darryl1958
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I guess you can get it from sharing a cup after all then?
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Darryl1958
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Heterosexual AIDS in North America was pretty much a politically motivated myth, devoid of any science backing it up.
It was a way to tap into greater funding by making it appear to be in everybodies self-interest to give.
Homosexual sex, and anal sex in particular, and sharing needles are the main modes of transmission of the virus.
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Abyssinia
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Morning-after pill handout causes rise in teenage sexual disease, study finds
A study has found that the policy simply encouraged young people to have unprotected sex and had failed to cut down the number of under-age pregnancies: telegraph.co.uk/health/8291468/Morning-after-pill-handout-causes-rise-in-teenage-sexual-disease-study-finds.html
Sex ed program in Scotland over three years, scientists discovered it did not delay intercourse improve use of contraceptives or reduce pregnancies or abortions. The government decided to continue the program because students reported feeling less regret about the first time they slept with their most recent partner: bmj.com/content/334/7585/133.full
A study showed that 3 our of 4 college men did not use condoms, despite the fact that over 80% had received sex education:
tiny.cc/49np5
kinseyinstitute.org/publications/PDF/STDSep2002.pdf
In 1999, the Government put 15 million pounds in to sex education, free condoms, morning after pills etc. to students. In March 2004 it was discovered that the STD rate had skyrocketed 64%, teen pregnancies where up. Overall the greatest increases where in areas where the program had been implemented:
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1456789/Teen-pregnancies-increase-after-sex-education-classes.html
Evidence that abstinence education works:
Administration for Children and Families (ACF), a division of HHS, The American Public Health Association’s (APHA): citizenlink.com/2010/08/obama-administration-blocks-release-of-pivotal-hhs-abstinence-study/
Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine: townhall.com/columnists/LindaChavez/2010/02/05/abstinence_education_works_after_all
Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine: washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/01/AR2010020102628.html
Arrow ‘Puzzling’ that UK still pushing morning-after pill despite rise in STDs says study author:
lifesitenews.com/news/puzzling-that-uk-still-pushing-morning-after-pill-despite-rise-in-stds-says
telegraph.co.uk/health/8291468/Morning-after-pill-handout-causes-rise-in-teenage-sexual-disease-study-finds.html
American Medical association: nationalreview.com/articles/229086/killing-abstinence/robert-rector
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Dale_M
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You’re relying on outdated information. As the graph Lynx linked to shows, heterosexual transmission became the second leading cause of AIDS a few years ago.
That graph shows that IV drug use, as a transmission route, leveled off some time ago. However, heterosexual transmission and homosexual transmission have been increasing at the same rate.
AIDS is the end stage of HIV infection, so that graph reflects the history of the disease. A clearer picture of how HIV is being transmitted now can be seen in the most recent information:
cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#hivaidsexposure
In 2009, heterosexual transmission of HIV was occurring roughly twice as often as IV transmission, and about half as often as homosexual transmission.
The caution I would add is that heterosexual transmission is disproportionately occurring among African-Americans and Hispanics.
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SamH
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Actually abstinence is the only method that is 100% effective.
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Lujack
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I think you’re confusing two points here-abstinence 100% prevents the transmission of sexual diseases, but teaching abstinence does not produce 100% abstinence. And I have actually witnessed classes in public schools where safe sex is taught, and I have always seen “abstinence is the only 100% method of preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases” as the first thing mentioned, and it has been mentioned repeatedly.
I think a lot of people have a false image of these classes as being a teacher dumping a box of condoms on the table and saying “Okay kids, now you can have at it with no consequences!” when that is certainly not the case.
Also, I wonder how those heterosexuals who do have AIDS would feel if they were told that their disease was a politically motivated myth. That’s fairly offensive, I’d imagine.
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estesbob
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It was the 90s equivalent of the Global Warming hoax. A myth created soley to squeeze funds out of the govt and promote a left wing politcial agenda.
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estesbob
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Reminds me of cartoon I saw once. A Dr is talking to a young women in the examining room. The caption is “Yes M’am you can indeed contract a STD in a public restroom so i suggest you quit having sex in them”
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Rascalking
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Charming.Excuse me, maybe I’m old, senile and blind but where the hell did you get this?!?!?!?!
Take a look at the attitude some people have towards those with AIDS… Sometimes people come across as saying those with HIV/AIDS “deserve” what they get due to behavior.
If it’s not you-great, if it si, then your in my prayers.
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estesbob
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The graph shows homosexuals AIDS on the rise and proves, once again that the disease is almost excusviely contracted through Anal sex and intraveneous drug use. Since such drugh use is much hgher among lower income levels so it is no surprise that AIDS is more prevalent among African Amercans and Hispanics.
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Loml
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I didn’t know the left invented global warming
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estesbob
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You seem to offend easily. Where I counseled it was pirmarily teens from the local high school. The message they got was that sex was fine as long as you used a condom. And no one said you could not get AIDS via heterosexual contact-just that it was extremely rare. Most AIDS activists now admit that lives were lost becuase the message pushed in the 80s and 90s was that everyone was equally at risk instead of targeting the groups that were most at risk. In those days it was argued doing that was demonizing Homosexual and drug users. Lots of lives were lost as the result of this politicla correctness run amok.
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iamrefreshed
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You are the only one who used the words “deserved it” and “earned it”.
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Rascalking
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Alright, I get the “angry face”. You win, you win.You are the only one who used the words “deserved it” and “earned it”.
It’s just what I’ve observed my friend. Relax.
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Dale_M
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Are we talking about the same graph?
cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/slides/trends/slides/trends16.pdf
While IV drug use was the second leading cause, the graph shows the incidence of AIDS from this mode of transmission leveled off during the past decade However, heterosexual transmission was increasing markedly, with the result that it became the second leading cause of AIDS around 2005.
And as I mentioned before, AIDS is end stage HIV infection and reflects the history of the disease. If we are talking about increase in HIV infections, its best to look at data specifically about that (not AIDS.) In 2009, heterosexual transmission of HIV was double that of IV transmission.
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