That happened Christmas eve at our parish. Our parish isn’t doing the sign of peace due to flu but one lady who had 2 rows of family with her insisted. She started her family and many around her turning around, greeting and laughing until one of her older family members told her to stop. All during the Agnus Dei.
Very well said!
I would probably say as the topic keeps coming up by new members, it bothers people and so will continue to come up. Perhaps if it bothers you to hear the continued discussions regarding this subject, perhaps avoid these threads.
As said above it will more than likely continue to be discussed. Just avoid these threads.
The adjective necessarily in the statement " nor necessarily the most significant one". seems to imply it might be, at least that’s how I interpret it.
What do you do with your hands, according to the missal? I was always taught to have my hands folded in front of me during the Our Father, but the missal doesn’t say to do that. And the missal doesn’t say that we should have our hands down by our sides or held behind our backs. What is a conscientious cancel it to do if it is only permissible to do with our hands what the missal instructs?
I think this is the answer to your question here. We are asked to pray and the posture for prayer is typically or traditionally hands folded in front of us. The same as during the other places during Mass when the priest says “let us pray”. The Missal doesn’t say what to do with our hands because for the most part it is assumed when we are asked to pray we pray with hands folded in front of us. If we are to do something different in a different place in Mass, such as during the Our Father, the Missal would say.
You mentioned folded hands.babochka:
I think this is the answer to your question here. We are asked to pray and the posture for prayer is typically or traditionally hands folded in front of us. The same as during the other places during Mass when the priest says “let us pray”. The Missal doesn’t say what to do with our hands because for the most part it is assumed when we are asked to pray we pray with hands folded in front of us. If we are to do something different in a different place in Mass, such as during the Our Father, the Missal would say.
I certainly agree that it is way down the list of problems. My interpretation of the original line seems reasonable to me.
The society is facing an unrest, but religion was not a target of attack, unlike universities. Churches have been affected and sometimes involved, but it’s not (yet) targeted, so freedom of religion is not affected too much until now.
The Church doesn’t tell us we can’t clap our hands during the Our Father either but I am pretty sure it’s not something we should do.
In the scheme of things happening in the Church rightg now, it probably is not a big deal until the person is inconsiderate of the person next to them and holds their hand in the other person’s face. (something I have had happen twice. Our church is crowded).
I always think back on what Cardinal Arinze said about when one starts to proscribe an added position, that is forbidden. Let people have some leeway, but don’t tell them what to do, as that is adding to the GIRM.
I would need to hear what he said in total context in order to comment on that.
We have a Lifeteen Mass at a different parish in the city from where I am and everyone holds hands at the Our Father. If you are new to that Mass you are pretty much forced to hold hands. You do not have a choice. To me this is adding something not in the GIRM. Needless to say I avoid it and actually the majority who attend are not teens but over the age of 65. (Nothing against that age. I am getting there myself.) Just very few teens are interested in that type of Mass.
I agree that it is low on the issues going on in the Church, absolutely and in the parishes I do attend it seems to be fading out, very few do it, so many people would probably not complain.
The context was this: The GIRM came out with instructions on receiving Communion, and it was written in a way that said (and I am not quoting exactly) that upon returning from receiving, we were to stand until all had received. As it was written, it caused a lot of questions as previous to this edition of the GIRM, people would go back to their pews and kneel (or some sat) until all had received, then most sat (somewhere between reposing the Blessed Sacrament and ablution of the vessels) until we stood for the final prayer. It seemed a rather startling change, and someone (it may have been Cardinal George, but I do not recall; someone from the USCCB) sent a query, and Cardinal Sirah said that it was not intended to be a rigid rule; we could continue to stand in our pew after reception, kneel or sit. As written, it appeared rigid, which caused the widespread consternation.