Holding Hands

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It doesn’t specifically mention breathing is okay. I suppose breathing is not acceptable during mass. Simply because something isn’t in the GIRM does not mean it is prohibited.
Now you are being ridulous. It doesn’t say to hold your breath either, does it?

By your logic, a priest can do cartwheels on the altar since it isn’t specifically forbidden.

Again, the GIRM lists what is allowed. Anything not listed is, by default, forbidden.
 
I simply bow my head and close my eyes and either fold my hands in front of myself or just keep them on the pew in front of me. I don’t worry too much about what others around me do or think.

BTW, the GIRM does say that close friends and family may hold hands like that. Truth is…I’m more concerned with what is happening up on that altar…you know…“full, active, conscious, (and joyful), participation.” 😃 That’s what my sig line is all about… in Latin no less. [sign]🙂 [/sign]
Pax tecum,
I was not aware that the GIRM said that close friends and family may hold hands like that. Makes me feel better when I take hold of my children’s hands for one reason or another.

Maybe the reason that so many wish to hold hands is they feel so connected to everyone through Christ that all feel like “close friends” in Christ?

I don’t worry about it though. I either hold the hand of my 4 year old and or other children, or bow my head with my eyes closed. And if while my eyes are closed and head bowed someone taps on my shoulder to hold my hand, I graciously offer my own because to do otherwise pulls my attention away from the altar.

Alas, I have yet to get to the point where I can stop worrying about others. I have tried to just ignore the taps of people wanting to hold my hand and I become so focused on ignoring them that I in fact, block out all that I should actually be focusing on.

Thanks for the info on holding hands with friends and family.

God Bless,
Maria
 
It is for our own good that we do not allow contrivances like hand holding because they tend to generate a life of their own. Eventually the Church has to crack down and the people feel all hurt because they are being deprived of something they should not have had in the first place. Much heartache can be avoided if we practice that long lost virtue of obedience. But I guess Johnny has to touch the hot stove a dozen times before he learns. :rolleyes:
 
Holding hands during the Our Father has become commonplace, but it is an illicit addition to the Liturgy. Clarifications and Interpretations of the GIRM “Notitiae” Vol. XI (1975) p. 226] explains:

“. . .holding hands is a sign of intimacy and not reconciliation, and as such disrupts the flow of the Sacramental signs in the Mass which leads to the Sacramental sign of intimacy with Christ and our neighbor, Holy Communion.”
 
I dislike holding hands during the Our Father as it distracts me from concentrating on the prayer and on Jesus on the alter…(especially if the hand is cold or sweaty!):eek: How about if you picture yourself holding those precious nail scarred Hands as you humbly pray to the Father?
 
Now you are being ridulous. It doesn’t say to hold your breath either, does it?

By your logic, a priest can do cartwheels on the altar since it isn’t specifically forbidden.

Again, the GIRM lists what is allowed. Anything not listed is, by default, forbidden.
If it worked that way, you’d be right. But it doesn’t, so you’re not.
 
Charity, charity.

Quasi, a great many Catholics dislike holding hands during the Our Father. It may seem silly or trivial, but it’s an issue just the same. Why? I think probably because many people see it as an orthodoxy barometer.

I for one was relieved to discover that our bishop sincerely dislikes and discourages holding hands.

Opps, had to edit out some confusion!:o
 
Be prepared for a lot of responses on this one. I’m someone who isn’t very comfortable with holding hands. I was first introduced to the practice when I was a freshman in college (I’m a junior now), and I have JUST been able to get to the point where I’m able to hold hands with someone who I know a little. I’m still not at the point that I can hold hands with strangers (it’s a sacrifice for me to do it at all, because I don’t like touching people). I comply at school because everyone does it here, and it’s not worth causing problems. If someone were to literally grab my hand (which they would have to do since I always have my hands together during the Lord’s Prayer) I would be very uncomfortable. So if by “reaching out” you mean actually grabbing their hand, I wouldn’t recommend it. But if you mean offering your hand, by all means do. The person can take it if they choose.
I went to a parish church for a few weeks where it was almost impossible not to hold hands, even if you were not interested—people just naturally seem to congregate to each other. I find it tolerable, at most, to hold the hands of strangers—if we had to do the same during the Gloria, etc., I would be displeased to the utmost. :mad:
 
I just think that it’s really hard to say for sure if it’s really “spontaneous” or not. There are some people who look incredibly uncomfortable holding hands with others, and I have a hard time believing that everyone doing it really wishes to do so (especially when there are priests saying things like ‘lets all join hands across the aisles’). I think if I do it because I just don’t want to cause problems, other people are probably feeling the same way.
 
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By your logic, a priest can do cartwheels on the altar since it isn’t specifically forbidden.

Again, the GIRM lists what is allowed. Anything not listed is, by default, forbidden.
If it worked that way, you’d be right. But it doesn’t, so you’re not.
So you are saying that a priest CAN do cartwheels on the altar because it’s not specifically forbidden? :confused:

If not, I do not see how I am wrong. Please explain it to me.
 
If someone should tap on your shoulder in order to hold your hand, you need to decide what action you will take…
I learned from experience that the appropriate response is NOT to give the person a “Three Stooges style” poke in the eyes if they tap you on the shoulder and want to hold your hand 😃
 
I’ve always seen this as originating from the American Protestant influence on the Church. I’m from the South and have witnessed this in other areas as well, namely the horrific physical make-up of our southern catholilc churches. I’m only 25 years old, but can tell from the various styles (as well as info from my parents) that many of these changes took place in the 60’s and 70’s. Has this mainly occurred in the South? I’ve been a number of places in the U.S. such as New York City, Washington D.C., Florida, etc. and have seen some of the most orthodox, old-Euro style churches. My point is, that I see the holding of hands during the Holy Mass and the grotesque physical make-up of our churches in America as being from the same source. To me the Evil One sometimes works slow and subtle…enough so that in relative to other occurrences, it’s often hard to complain about such changes.

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If someone should tap on your shoulder in order to hold your hand, you need to decide what action you will take, because it will happen at least once and awhile.

God Bless,
Maria
I learned from experience that the appropriate response is NOT to give the person a “Three Stooges style” poke in the eyes if they tap you on the shoulder and want to hold your hand 😃
:rotfl:
 
So you are saying that a priest CAN do cartwheels on the altar because it’s not specifically forbidden? :confused:

If not, I do not see how I am wrong. Please explain it to me.
I’m not saying that a priest can do cartwheels during mass because it is not specifically forbidden. What I am saying is that omission does not necessarily constitute prohibition. And before I continue, I will say again, I completely oppose holding hands during the Lord’s Prayer. The whole reason this disagreement arose between us is that someone stated that the GIRM prohibits holding hands during the Lord’s Prayer. To cite the GIRM as a reference for such a prohibition is inaccurate. Since the GIRM makes no mention of EMHC’s distributing communion, am I to understand their omission as a prohibition against them distributing communion to the faithful?
 
I will address this situation by my feelings:

I have felt nothing wrong or funny or disturbing about holding hands with (I am an optimist) brothers and sisters in the Lamb at whose table we feast. But this only at Novus Ordo mass.

At the Tridentine Mass I used to attend, I would have felt it wrong to hold hands for the Pater Noster.

I do think that holding hands during the “Our Father” for many detracts from the sacrifice. But not nearly as much, in my opinion, as the use of the vulgar tongue in saying “Our Father”, or in the absence of the Asperges, or in the “Low Mass”-ish effects mixing in with what is to be a High Mass.

But in the Novus Ordo Mass, which I find to speak of the same glorious Kingdom of Heaven, though from a slightly different perspective before, I will be happy to hold the hand of anyone who will offer.

Until I hear something from the Church, explicitly saying that this should not be done, I will keep with holding hands.

May God have mercy on my soul.
 
Sir Knight,

I would make exceptions for parents with children and newlyweds. And other happily married people as well.
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Tim,

I would consider that grounds for resigning from the lectorship, altar serving, or other ministry. Holding hands is one thing; holding hands with the priest is something else; and going behind the altar is something else entirely.
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I’ve always seen this as originating from the American Protestant influence on the Church. I’m from the South and have witnessed this in other areas as well, namely the horrific physical make-up of our southern catholilc churches. I’m only 25 years old, but can tell from the various styles (as well as info from my parents) that many of these changes took place in the 60’s and 70’s. Has this mainly occurred in the South? I’ve been a number of places in the U.S. such as New York City, Washington D.C., Florida, etc. and have seen some of the most orthodox, old-Euro style churches. My point is, that I see the holding of hands during the Holy Mass and the grotesque physical make-up of our churches in America as being from the same source. To me the Evil One sometimes works slow and subtle…enough so that in relative to other occurrences, it’s often hard to complain about such changes.
For whatever it’s worth, I go to school in Pittsburgh, and it’s definitely something that’s common on campus. I’ve seen it quite a bit in other parishes as well. And I’ve seen some very unattractive churches up here too (although I will say that Pittsburgh has many BEAUTIFUL churches, Catholic and non-Catholic alike).
 
I was not aware that the GIRM said that close friends and family may hold hands like that. Makes me feel better when I take hold of my children’s hands for one reason or another.

I don’t worry about it though. I either hold the hand of my 4 year old and or other children, or bow my head with my eyes closed. And if while my eyes are closed and head bowed someone taps on my shoulder to hold my hand, I graciously offer my own because to do otherwise pulls my attention away from the altar.

Thanks for the info on holding hands with friends and family.
Rome has spoken.

Code: ZE03111822

Date: 2003-11-18

Holding Hands at the Our Father?

ROME, NOV. 18, 2003 (Zenit.org).- Answered by Father Edward McNamara, professor of liturgy at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical Athenaeum.

Q: Many say we should not be holding hands in the congregation while reciting the Lord’s Prayer because it is not a community prayer but a prayer to “Our Father.” Local priests say that since the Vatican has not specifically addressed it, then we are free to do as we please: either hold hands or not. What is the true Roman Catholic way in which to recite the Lord’s Prayer during Mass? – T.P., Milford, Maine

A: It is true that there is no prescribed posture for the hands during the Our Father and that, so far at least, neither the Holy See nor the U.S. bishops’ conference has officially addressed it.

The argument from silence is not very strong, however, because while there is no particular difficulty in a couple, family or a small group spontaneously holding hands during the Our Father, a problem arises when the entire assembly is expected or obliged to do so.

The process for introducing any new rite or gesture into the liturgy in a stable or even binding manner is already contemplated in liturgical law. This process entails a two-thirds majority vote in the bishops’ conference and the go-ahead from the Holy See before any change may take effect.

Thus, if neither the bishops’ conference nor the Holy See has seen fit to prescribe any posture for the recitation of the Our Father, it hardly behooves any lesser authority to impose a novel gesture not required by liturgical law and expect the faithful to follow their decrees.

While there are no directions as to the posture of the faithful, the rubrics clearly direct the priest and any concelebrants to pray the Our Father with hands extended – so they at least should not hold hands.

One could argue that holding hands expresses the family union of the Church. But our singing or reciting the prayer in unison already expresses this element.

The act of holding hands usually emphasizes group or personal unity from the human or physical point of view and is thus more typical of the spontaneity of small groups. Hence it does not always transfer well into the context of larger gatherings where some people feel uncomfortable and a bit imposed upon when doing so.

The use of this practice during the Our Father could detract and distract from the prayer’s God-directed sense of adoration and petition, as explained in Nos. 2777-2865 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in favor of a more horizontal and merely human meaning.

For all of these reasons, no one should have any qualms about not participating in this gesture if disinclined to do so. They will be simply following the universal customs of the Church, and should not be accused of being a cause of disharmony.

A different case is the practice in which some people adopt the “orantes” posture during the Our Father, praying like the priest, with hands extended.

In some countries, Italy, for example, the Holy See has granted the bishops’ request to allow anyone who wishes to adopt this posture during the Our Father. Usually about a third to one-half of the assembled faithful choose to do so.

Despite appearances, this gesture is not, strictly speaking, a case of the laity trying to usurp priestly functions.

The Our Father is the prayer of the entire assembly and not a priestly or presidential prayer. In fact, it is perhaps the only case when the rubrics direct the priest to pray with arms extended in a prayer that he does not say alone or only with other priests. Therefore, in the case of the Our Father, the orantes posture expresses the prayer directed to God by his children.

The U.S. bishops’ conference debated a proposal by some bishops to allow the use of the orantes posture while discussing the “American Adaptations to the General Instruction to the Roman Missal” last year. Some bishops even argued that it was the best way of ridding the country of holding hands. The proposal failed to garner the required two-thirds majority of votes, however, and was dropped from the agenda.
 
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