Holding our hands out during Mass

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Should we hold our hands up while praying at Mass?

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In my parish many people at Mass hold their hands up while praying, like the priest does. I heard that this is an ancient posture of prayer and that it is good to pray this way. Is this true?
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One can pray in whatever posture one feels is most conducive to prayer if one is engaging in private, non-liturgical prayer. However, when one is praying in a liturgical service, such as Mass, there are rules to be followed.

It is true that praying with arms outstretched is one of the historic postures of prayer. However, this fact alone does not mean that it is to be used in any and all circumstances.

Prostrating oneself on one’s face is also a historic posture of prayer, but neither the priest nor the laity are directed to assume this posture during a regular Mass. During a Mass where ordinations are taking place, the candidates for ordination are directed to prostrate themselves during the Litany of the Saints. However, if people were to assume this posture willy-nilly, in any Mass, the liturgy could be seriously impeded.

This is why people are supposed to adopt those postures the rubrics direct them to adopt and not other ones. Switching to a different posture causes problems in the liturgy, either physically or symbolically.

In the case of the laity praying with arms outstretched, it causes both physical and symbolic problems in the liturgy.

It causes physical problems because the laity typically sit right next to each other in pews. If they fully extended their arms, people would be whapped in the face or knocked out of the pew. If they only partially extend their arms, everybody gets cramped unnecessarily. Either way, it is not a good idea, for physical reasons alone, for the laity to begin stretching their arms out in prayer at Mass.

There are also symbolic problems associated with their doing so. No matter how the posture may or may not have been used in antiquity, today it is a priestly posture in the liturgy.

This is repeatedly made clear in the Church’s liturgical documents. For example, the Ceremonial of Bishops notes: “Customarily in the Church a bishop or presbyter addresses prayers to God while standing with hands slightly raised and outstretched” (CB 104).

Similarly, in the Book of Blessings, whenever there is a blessing which can be performed either by a member of the clergy or the laity, the rubrics invariably directs that “A minister who is a priest or deacon says the prayer of blessing with hands outstretched; a lay minister says the prayer with hands joined” (BB 1999). Over and over again, the rubrics direct clergy to pray with hands outstretched and laity with hands joined.

Because of the special association praying with hands outstretched has with priestly office, some dissident elements in the Church have desired to get the laity into the habit of praying in this posture during Mass. This furthers the dissident agenda of continuing to blur the line between the laity and the clergy.

Fortunately, the recent Instruction on Collaboration (Nov. 13, 1997) drew the line on this issue and specifically mandated that “Neither may . . . non-ordained members of the faithful use gestures or actions which are proper to the . . . priest celebrant” (ICP, Practical Provisions 6 §2).

The reference to gestures that are appropriate to the priest celebrating the Mass certainly includes praying with arms outstretched, which is probably the single most frequent gesture the rubrics direct him to make during Mass and which is clearly tied to the office of priest in the Church’s liturgical documents.

Consequently, in the liturgy, laity should not be praying with hands outstretched.

-Jimmy Akin*

So are we discouraged to hold our hands out at all during the Mass? :confused:
 
And, while we’re at it, don’t hold hands during the Our Father. 😛
 
I sit in the back of my local church, and it looks like all the people up front are saying “I dunno!”. 🤷

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I was at a parish two weeks ago that the ENTIRE congregation joined hands. They formed this weird linky thing from aisle to aisle so that every person was connected physically. The kids went up to the altar to hold hands with the priest…

it was odd. Someone grabbed my hand, I didn’t protest…

Please. Please. Please stop holding hands during the Our Father. Some of us don’t enjoy being part of the giant human hand holding link.
 
In the UK, I have only seen it done during the “Our Father”. I really dislike it and have no idea when this practice began, but it seems to have crept in in the last 10 or so years, and now more of the congregation do it, than don’t.😦
 
Just read this:

Should we hold our hands up while praying at Mass?

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So are we discouraged to hold our hands out at all during the Mass? :confused:*

“Discouraged” is probably a strong word to describe the situation in most parishes. We are not “encouraged” is a better way to put it. We shouldn’t be adding gestures and postures to the Mass. There is no place in Mass where raising hands or holding them out is called for in the liturgical books. However, there is no precribed posture for what to do with your hands during most of the Mass. In many parishes, unless you are supposed to be doing something else (ie striking one’s breast during the Confetior) the expectation is some form of “praying hands,” that is hands clasped either with fingers interlocked or pointing upward.

Other parishes seem to have a more full-body experience where lifting hands, swaying or even clapping are not out of place.
 
What confuses me is I have visited 4 or 5 churches sporatically in my area, and mostly everyone holds hands out and the priests are not addressing this if it is a problem. Lifting hands is becoming a norm in this case. Priests should address it if it is not being encouraged.
 
I was at a parish two weeks ago that the ENTIRE congregation joined hands. They formed this weird linky thing from aisle to aisle so that every person was connected physically. The kids went up to the altar to hold hands with the priest…

it was odd. Someone grabbed my hand, I didn’t protest…

Please. Please. Please stop holding hands during the Our Father. Some of us don’t enjoy being part of the giant human hand holding link.
Wow, that seems like a pretty flagrant violation of the Rubrics. What I don’t understand is why people feel the need to do these things rather than understand the reason for what is already being done and appreciating that. Human nature I guess…darn that apple!
 
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Great, now I’m going to be thinking that everytime I go to Mass! LOL
Ditto. Once I was trying to explain to someone the gesture that some people make when they say “and also with you.” The only word I could think of was that they kind of do a swooping motion. So now, my mind sometimes goes “swooooop” when I see it. 😃
 
I was at a parish two weeks ago that the ENTIRE congregation joined hands. They formed this weird linky thing from aisle to aisle so that every person was connected physically. The kids went up to the altar to hold hands with the priest…

it was odd. Someone grabbed my hand, I didn’t protest…

Please. Please. Please stop holding hands during the Our Father. Some of us don’t enjoy being part of the giant human hand holding link.
Yup. I have seen the *Human Chain Version *of the Hand Holding Ritual at the Saturday Mass in my parish.
When I refused to join in, they just moved on in and joined hands right in front if my face, like 3" in front of my face. They were visibly angry at me for not participating in their illicit ritual.
My diocese encourages the *Hand Holding Ritual *by frequently featuring photos of this activity in our diocesan newspaper.

It is hard for me to decide whether these rituals or the Eucharistic Minister Grip and Grin Ritual, conducted at or near the altar during the Agnus Dei or the Priest’s Communion, torques my jaws the most.
 
Ditto. Once I was trying to explain to someone the gesture that some people make when they say “and also with you.” The only word I could think of was that they kind of do a swooping motion. So now, my mind sometimes goes “swooooop” when I see it. 😃
Hah, now that’s funny! To a certain extent I like the idea of this thought in my head because frankly, I get angry when I see people create their own rituals and motions to go along with the Mass. Then I have to remind myself that it’s none of my business and that I can’t be focusing on God if I am focused on them. But now, I am just going to hear that sound and see people going “I dunno” and I will probably smile a bit instead of losing the grace! LOL

Thanks my brother!
 
Yup. I have seen the *Human Chain Version *of the Hand Holding Ritual at the Saturday Mass in my parish.
When I refused to join in, they just moved on in and joined hands right in front if my face, like 3" in front of my face. They were visibly angry at me for not participating in their illicit ritual.
My diocese encourages the *Hand Holding Ritual *by frequently featuring photos of this activity in our diocesan newspaper.

It is hard for me to decide whether these rituals or the Eucharistic Minister Grip and Grin Ritual, conducted at or near the altar during the Agnus Dei or the Priest’s Communion, torques my jaws the most.
I just wish I had one other person with me to break the chain. Haha. As it is I’m not sure I’d have the courage to be the only break in the chain.
 
So all the jokes aside…

Avoid hand gestures at all costs except for the sign of the cross?
 
So all the jokes aside…

Avoid hand gestures at all costs except for the sign of the cross?
Good question and sorry for the sidetracking. I don’t think so, but you just need to stay within the rubrics. For instance, I still “beat” my breast during the Confiteor. Although, I try to do so very nonchalantly so as not to disturb anyone else. I still bow my head at the name of Jesus. These are not things that are required, but they are not forbidden.

Having said that, I think enough Priests and Bishops have spoken about holding hands and raising hands that we should probably refrain from such things.
 
Good question and sorry for the sidetracking. I don’t think so, but you just need to stay within the rubrics. For instance, I still “beat” my breast during the Confiteor. Although, I try to do so very nonchalantly so as not to disturb anyone else. I still bow my head at the name of Jesus. These are not things that are required, but they are not forbidden.

Having said that, I think enough Priests and Bishops have spoken about holding hands and raising hands that we should probably refrain from such things.
For the record, striking your breast during the Confiteor IS required by the rubrics. So is bowing during the creed.
 
For the record, striking your breast during the Confiteor IS required by the rubrics. So is bowing during the creed.
Interesting. I was unaware it was “required.” I was thumbing through my GIRM and could not find where this was stated. I know it is required that all concelebrants strike their breast, but not the laity.
 
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