Holy Cow!

[Marfran]

You know, just looking at it briefly, there are a few factual errors. Queen bees do not reproduce sexually. Queen bees reproduce by parthenogenosis, producing the worker bees or drones. The worker bees don’t reproduce. So the idea that they are being artificially inseminated doesn’t seem true to me.

Honey production seems to be quite licit. That’s what bees do. Honey is a really great food product. It is used in the Bible as a symbol for abundance.

Finally, Penn State has a department researching honey bees. Please note:

ento.psu.edu/directory/research-issues/honey-bee-and-pollinator-research

Male bees come from unfertilized eggs. Female bees from fertilized eggs. Is that right, Ridgerunner???

 

[Marfran]

Few brands of tquilla have worms. Most of us are adverse to sharing our alcohol with insects. Maybe in Mexico this can be found more readily.

But why do they put the worms in there??? I’ll bet it all started as an accident. Some guy was drinkin’ his tequilla, and found a worm at the bottom of his glass just as his team was making the winning touch down…you know how weird guys are about sports and luck charms…

 

[severus68]

But why do they put the worms in there??? I’ll bet it all started as an accident. Some guy was drinkin’ his tequilla, and found a worm at the bottom of his glass just as his team was making the winning touch down…you know how weird guys are about sports and luck charms…

I have liked a frozen margarita ( without the worm). Is wine vegan? I heard they use bull’s blood or something wierd for some wash for cheap red wines. Would you know or anyone else here know if that’s true?

 

[4elise]

I have liked a frozen margarita ( without the worm). Is wine vegan? I heard they use bull’s blood or something wierd for some wash for cheap red wines. Would you know or anyone else here know if that’s true?

Many wines are not vegan because they are filtered with isinglass (a very pure form of gelatine from sturgeon fish bladders), gelatine (extract from boiled cow’s or pig’s hooves and sinews), egg whites (or albumin) and caseins (a protein from milk). Very occasionally blood has been used as an additive - “sangre de toro” means “bulls blood” - but rarely literally any more. This ingredient was declared illegal for use in European wines in the aftermath of the outbreak of BSE (mad cow disease).

A list of vegan wines: vegans.frommars.org/wine/

 

[severus68]

Many wines are not vegan because they are filtered with isinglass (a very pure form of gelatine from sturgeon fish bladders), gelatine (extract from boiled cow’s or pig’s hooves and sinews), egg whites (or albumin) and caseins (a protein from milk). Very occasionally blood has been used as an additive - “sangre de toro” means “bulls blood” - but rarely literally any more. This ingredient was declared illegal for use in European wines in the aftermath of the outbreak of BSE (mad cow disease).

A list of vegan wines: vegans.frommars.org/wine/

Thank you, that is helpful.

 

[Marfran]

Many wines are not vegan because they are filtered with isinglass (a very pure form of gelatine from sturgeon fish bladders), gelatine (extract from boiled cow’s or pig’s hooves and sinews), egg whites (or albumin) and caseins (a protein from milk). Very occasionally blood has been used as an additive - “sangre de toro” means “bulls blood” - but rarely literally any more. This ingredient was declared illegal for use in European wines in the aftermath of the outbreak of BSE (mad cow disease).

A list of vegan wines: vegans.frommars.org/wine/

Holy cow!!! That is so gross!!! Slaughterhouse by-products end up in everything!!! I wonder why they use all this gross stuff? I bet the average beer or wine drinker doesn’t even know about this. I knew about the isinglass (fish bladders) but not this other stuff–thanks, 4elise!!!

 

[4elise]

Holy cow!!! That is so gross!!! Slaughterhouse by-products end up in everything!!! I wonder why they use all this gross stuff? I bet the average beer or wine drinker doesn’t even know about this. I knew about the isinglass (fish bladders) but not this other stuff–thanks, 4elise!!!

I always wonder who the first person was to think… “Hey what this wine needs is sturgeon fish bladders!”

Not being a drinker myself I can’t critique the vegan wines - but at my daughter’s wedding we ordered white and red wine from Frey freywine.com/ - everyone said it was great!

 

[Marfran]

I always wonder who the first person was to think… “Hey what this wine needs is sturgeon fish bladders!”

I think that they have all this waste from the slaughter industries, and it’s cheap (because it’s waste)–so they figure out how they can utilize it in an effort to save money and maximize profits. Isinglass is used to “clarify” wine. What did they use before they started using fish bladders from the commercial fish industry???

 

[severus68]

I think that they have all this waste from the slaughter industries, and it’s cheap (because it’s waste)–so they figure out how they can utilize it in an effort to save money and maximize profits. Isinglass is used to “clarify” wine. What did they use before they started using fish bladders from the commercial fish industry???

I think its unethical not to list these “ingredients”. I have never seen any reference to all these on wine labels, read about bull’ blood elsewhere.

 

[Marfran]

I think its unethical not to list these “ingredients”. I have never seen any reference to all these on wine labels, read about bull’ blood elsewhere.

I think, but am not sure, in the case of the swim bladders, they are used in a process that clarifiies the wine/beer–the liquid is filtered through these bladders, but the bladder is not an ingredient of the final product. The bull’s blood as an ingredient I have no knowledge of. White processed sugar is made using a substance called bone char (the charred bones of slaughtered animals)–and I am not sure how this is done–but the bone char is not an added ingredient, but is rather used in a process to refine the sugar. Not all white processed sugar is made using bone char–and it is impossible to know if listed as an ingredient on a product (sugar) if it is made via this method. White processed sugar is yuck and unhealthy any way you make it–I avoid it like the plague.

I think that a lot of “unethical” behavior goes on in the making of our food. And I, for one, want to know all about it…