Holy Eucharist being "held hostage"

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How sad 😦 Dear Jesus in the Eucharist, please help this misguided young man!

I wonder why he isn’t protesting about things like women’s services (since he isn’t a woman) or services for overseas students (presumably he isn’t a foreign student either) which are also funded with his money and which he also doesn’t use.
 
Ok who lives near this guy ? Do we have enough Catholics to pay him a visit and rescue Our Lord??
Grab your torch and pitchforks…
 
MariaTheresa said:
Ok who lives near this guy ? Do we have enough Catholics to pay him a visit and rescue Our Lord??
Grab your torch and pitchforks…
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Satire or not. If I was in Orlando I would be willing to go and attempt to get it back.
 
I would love to see how he would react if someone tried to leave with a wad of his cash.

I can tell you that he would not be long in putting his hands on them to stop them from getting away with that which is precious to him.

I am heartened by the actions and vigilence of the people who tried to stop this sacrilege.

May God forgive him as he obviously does not know what he is doing.
 
I really love how the article puts it, " an object so sacred to the Catholic Church they CALL IT the body of Christ". As if to say "that’s what they CALL IT but no way could EVEN THEY believe it IS REALLY THE BODY OF CHRIST.:mad:
 
OK, here is what first crossed my mind…

if a mouse gets into a taberacle and eats the consecrated bread…does it recieve the body of Christ? NO!..This guy is nothing more than a mouse. No faith…no believe…and he does NOT hold Christ hostage by any means.

On the other hand…how much uproar would there be if he was keeping a Quran buried in an outhouse?
 
Yerusalyim said:
OK, here is what first crossed my mind…

if a mouse gets into a taberacle and eats the consecrated bread…does it recieve the body of Christ? NO!..This guy is nothing more than a mouse. No faith…no believe…and he does NOT hold Christ hostage by any means.

On the other hand…how much uproar would there be if he was keeping a Quran buried in an outhouse?
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He’s not keeping it in an outhouse, so let’s not go there. He says he’s got it in a plastic bag.

I notice the article has a statement from him on how the Catholics mis-treated him and why he believes an apology is warranted. No one else involved in the altercation (if there really was one) was quoted, so we only have one side of the story. He also admits that he intended to obtain a host for purposes of showing it off; his disrespect for the Eucharist and the Church are clear.
 
Not to start a holy war here but I believe the EM is at fault here too. The articicle quotes the guy as saying the woman gave him the Eucharist and he wanted to show it to his friend so he took it back to his seat. This is exactly the reason why people are supposed to make sure the Host is CONSUMED! in my experience the training for (unnecessary) EM"s is poor. Shame on us too for allowing this to happen. Shame on the people that were siting next to him if there were any.:banghead:
 
I watch the news video. It will be interesting how the charge and countercharge goes with the University. Sounds like the “person” wants to cleanse the university of any religious activity.
 
BYW: If this person is Catholic, isn’t what he did automatically Excommunicates him for desecration?
 
Matt33 said:
Not to start a holy war here but I believe the EM is at fault here too. The articicle quotes the guy as saying the woman gave him the Eucharist and he wanted to show it to his friend so he took it back to his seat. This is exactly the reason why people are supposed to make sure the Host is CONSUMED! in my experience the training for (unnecessary) EM"s is poor. Shame on us too for allowing this to happen. Shame on the people that were siting next to him if there were any.:banghead:
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At a Catholic Church near this University, the pastor does just that. He trains the EM to watch and make sure everyone takes the host into their mouths. In fact, he also has “lookers” to make sure too. The reason he has had to do this is because he has had many Eucharist taken for the Black mass that Satan worshippers do. He told me about it when I use to volunteer at that parish. So yes, EM do need to be trained. In fact, what the parishioner did, if she indeed did try to get the host from his hands, is what this priest teaches his “lookers” to do. He has told them if the person resist to get him or another priest. We have a large group of Satan worshippers in that area where the University is at and the parish church I mention. I was not aware of it, but the priest told me all about it. His church has been robbed so many time, of both things and the Eucharist, that he has so many alarms now in that church and in the social hall. One time he said that a Satanic worshipper came into the church while he was giving Mass and ran to him with a knife. Many off duty police officers who were parishioners grabbed him. I saw one woman at this parish receive the Blood of Christ and kept it until the end of Mass in her mouth. She went outside and spit it out into the bushes. I was appalled. I informed the priest but she had ran to her car and left. So I can’t blame this priest for being the way he is. He loves Jesus in the Eucharist and defends him.

I don’t think this is the same situation with this Cook guy, but one never knows. A true Catholic would not do this, but than again many Catholic are really not aware of Jesus Real Presence. I see that daily here in many parishes. Many people don’t even genuflect anymore when they come into a Catholic Church where the Tabernacle is present. It is sad.😦
 
This news makes me very sad, offended and angry.
This person is in GREAT need of our prayers. For reasons unknown to us, this was allowed to happen, I trust that somehow Jesus will make all things new…and make things right. Maybe not in our time, and by our standards…But all I do know is that this is an opportunity to Pray for a person whose soul is in dire danger.
 
It sounds like this person was and maybe still is just ignorant of Catholic religious beliefs, traditions, and customs.

It also appears that he wasn’t intending to keep the wafer. He says he intended to consume it after showing it to his friend in the pew. I don’t see how this is that different (sacrilege-wise) from someone who begins to consume it after receiving it but is not done consuming it while still in the pew. In any event, it appears he was not aware that it was against Catholic custom to not begin to consume it before proceeding to return to his seat.

It appears also that he resolved to keep it and not consume it only after he had been, according to him, physically mistreated by Catholics there – who apparently instead of just kindly educating him used force against someone who could have been taken aback by it, not knowing what he was doing wrong.

I think for him to insist on an apology for the physical mistreatment and discussion about the Diocese’s policy on the use of force is reasonable. From his perspective – remember there’s three sides to every story – returning the wafer would be a validation of the physical mistreatment and policy on the use of force that led to his ending up with the wafer.

The quotation from Father Migeul Gonzalez about it being a hostage situation involving a loved one is – to express it in charitable terms – incomprehensible to me, but is also quite interesting. You have to admit that from a non-Real Presence affirming point of view, his quotation does seem strange and makes you wonder – at least it does for me.

I hope this situation is resolved to the satisfaction of all parties.

Note that the person did NOT insist on the school not funding the Church as a condition of the return of the wafer. So those who in this thread have accused him of that do so without basis IMO.
 
DBG,

While I respect the fact the you must not share Catholic belief since you said “The quotation from Father Migeul Gonzalez about it being a hostage situation involving a loved one is – to express it in charitable terms – incomprehensible to me, but is also quite interesting. You have to admit that from a non-Real Presence affirming point of view, his quotation does seem strange and makes you wonder – at least it does for me.”

The Eucharist is not a “wafer” Christ is our Loved One. This is our belief since Jesus said “This is My Body…” Even if you disagree, the same respect the outside world shows for other faiths needs to be shown to Catholics in this situation.

No one who attends a Mass, Catholic or not could mistake the fact that going up for communion is not an opportunity to get something for show and tell in the pew. That this person probably did not expect a female parishoner to catch him and grab his arm to try to stop him from commiting the sacriledge is true. I’m sure he was very surprised. Now he is crying foul, pretending he is the victim and not the offender. This is the same trick every offender/criminal on the news or where ever does. Shift the blame onto the victim if you can. The parishoners and all Catholics are the aggrieved party after Our Lord in this case. The young man, whatever his intent, the offender.

If you or I went into a synagogue or a mosque and took blessed oil or a cloth or whatever there would be charges pressed. If we offened a Muslim group to the same degree, if we could, there may be riots in other countries.(None of which should ever happen)

Anyone who has ever attened Adoration would probably be willing to get a group together, if the bishop said the word, and make a trip to his home and start negotiations.
We cannot let Christ be abused, mocked, ridiculed in this manner before our very eyes. I 'm pretty sure this man is not on his knees before the Host he stole.
 
MariaTheresa said:
No one who attends a Mass, Catholic or not could mistake the fact that going up for communion is not an opportunity to get something for show and tell in the pew.
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He said he wanted to show it to his friend in the pew and then consume it. In some non-Catholic churches they eat their pieces of bread and little cups of wine while seated in the pew. If this person was from that background, he may not have seen anything wrong with taking it back to the pew. And besides, in the past when I sometimes went to Catholic churches, I often saw Catholics begin to consume the wafer not at the location they received it, but as they were walking away (before they got to the pew, but still after beginning to walk away).
If you or I went into a synagogue or a mosque and took blessed oil or a cloth or whatever there would be charges pressed.
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Sure but he didn’t steal anything. He was given something. I don’t know how the law would look at it, but morally it seems different. It would be like if a priest gave a passerby a blessed Rosary and then that passerby used it for a profane purpose (like how some singers wear crucifixes in music videos that may not conform to Catholic values).

To tell you the truth, there would be a whole lot less confusion if you all went with communion given on the tongue.

Is the person involved Catholic? The story doesn’t seem to say though there is a suggestion of it in a quotation from the Diocese in the story.
If we offened a Muslim group to the same degree, if we could, there may be riots in other countries.(None of which should ever happen)
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Agreed. And hopefully we can also both agree that the vigilantism advocated by at least one person in this thread should never happen either.

And note that according to the story, the Catholics chose to file a complaint against the person only AFTER the person chose to file a complaint against them. That seems like a tit-for-tat sort of thing or perhaps just a defensive reaction. Either way, it would seem that if the Catholic parties were agrieved they would have filed a complaint immediately and not only after the original person’s complaint about physical mistreatment.
 
if a mouse gets into a taberacle and eats the consecrated bread

**You get a pious cat.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: **
 
This man needs to repent of his actions for his own sake. No matter what happens, God is not mocked. As much as the thief may think himself clever, he has only placed his soul in grave danger with his actions.
 
First of all, I am new to the “Catholic Answers” Forums.

However, I am very firm in my belief that the “host” is “The Body of Christ” and should be treated thusly. If this man is even OF the Catholic faith, it seems to me that he should already know all about the ‘rules’, so to speak. He should therefore have the respect FOR “The Body of Christ” that the rest of we of this faith have, and even if he is Catholic, and for some reason doesn’t know enough to show this respect, I still feel that he was treating the Body of Christ with great disrespect, whether he considered this as “just a piece of bread” or not. I feel he was making a mockery of The Body of Christ. I have brought many a friend to mass as my guest over the years, and some of them, have also been very curious about the Body of Christ (host), and the Blood of Christ (wine) as well. However, I have usually just taken the time before mass to explain all of that, in as short and complete a manner as is possible, and not once has any single person asked me to SEE the Body of Christ (host). Let me just say that this includes friends that I brought as guests at as young an age as grammar school.

I think that as good Catholics, and as our faith instructs us, we should all pray in unison for this young man, because he really needs our prayers and our understanding, AND our forgiveness (especially, of course, IF he does eventually apologize-thus the prayers, etc…). Perhaps if this is shown to him, he will gladly drop the matter, or at the very least, apologize?

Thanks for providing a spot for me to voice my opinion.

😉
 
bpbasilphx said:
if a mouse gets into a taberacle and eats the consecrated bread

**You get a pious cat.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: **
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No, you get an Adoremouse.

It will then get eaten by the Roamin’ Cat-lic.

Who will get chased out by the Church Dog-ma. (Who I have heard is a holy terrier.)

(OK, I’ll stop now).
 
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