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Angels_Watchin
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Carl Anderson does NOTHING while Senators and Congressmen (K of C members) continuously vote pro-abortion. HE and his gang of Knights do nothing to protect the unborn from these imposters.
He and his gang actually harrass and expel those knights who fight for pro-life against the pro-abort senators and congressmen.
crcoa.com/kofc/
God help us
He and his gang actually harrass and expel those knights who fight for pro-life against the pro-abort senators and congressmen.
crcoa.com/kofc/
God help us
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rlg94086
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Do you have some evidence to back up that assertion?
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Praesidium
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cough Must I remind you that it is the K of C who help to organize the March for Life and they who provide most of the signs…but I will say this they aren’t knights a Catholic activist group yes, knights no.
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SEBASTIANMARTIN
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Hello all and God bless,
Hi Angels watchin, I think you got some bad info. Just like any group of humans there are some bad eggs. Karl Anderson is not one of them. He is a champion of life and the Church.
I am a Knight of Columbus. I am member of St. Joseph’s Council #1748. I can say with out a doubt the order is 100% pro-life and authentically catholic. To end abortion is one of our primary charisms, along with the care of the widow and child. The cause for cannonization of our founder Servant of God Fr. Michael J. Mcgivney is underway, with a possible miracle being investigated.
My council spends most of its energy raising funds for the Fr. Taaffe Foundation and the local seminary, and also work with the local Right to Life organization. Fr. Taaffe runs three homes for pregnant teens who would otherwise have an abortion if not for his help. We also pray a full rosary at the local abortion mill every first Saturday. (Hoping to get other councils in on this so we can do it every Saturday.) We also fight against our pro-abort catholic Govenor Ted Kulongoski, and we have not been harrassed or expelled. For our dedication to God and his Church we have been rewarded with 5 brothers studying for Holy Orders.
The Supreme Council prints a monthly magazine “The Columbia”. I cannot remember a month that it did not have at least two prolife articles in it. Pro-abort politician are not invited to talk at the annual supreme conference.
In addition to all that being a member of a group of brothers all striving to live a holy life for Christ has greatly been a source of grace from God for me. I am a thousand times the man I was when I first joined the K of C. I encourage all catholic men who are serious about their faith to visit the local Kof C council to discover if the are called to it.
I encourage any to see the K of C stance on abortion at kofc.org
Sorry for the long post, but I have a passion for the order.
PS When ever you see the Pope in his popemoble thank the KofC. When ever you see the pope on TV thank the KofC. If you ever wonder who S of G pope John Paul II means by “the strong right arm of the Church” think KofC!
Hi Angels watchin, I think you got some bad info. Just like any group of humans there are some bad eggs. Karl Anderson is not one of them. He is a champion of life and the Church.
I am a Knight of Columbus. I am member of St. Joseph’s Council #1748. I can say with out a doubt the order is 100% pro-life and authentically catholic. To end abortion is one of our primary charisms, along with the care of the widow and child. The cause for cannonization of our founder Servant of God Fr. Michael J. Mcgivney is underway, with a possible miracle being investigated.
My council spends most of its energy raising funds for the Fr. Taaffe Foundation and the local seminary, and also work with the local Right to Life organization. Fr. Taaffe runs three homes for pregnant teens who would otherwise have an abortion if not for his help. We also pray a full rosary at the local abortion mill every first Saturday. (Hoping to get other councils in on this so we can do it every Saturday.) We also fight against our pro-abort catholic Govenor Ted Kulongoski, and we have not been harrassed or expelled. For our dedication to God and his Church we have been rewarded with 5 brothers studying for Holy Orders.
The Supreme Council prints a monthly magazine “The Columbia”. I cannot remember a month that it did not have at least two prolife articles in it. Pro-abort politician are not invited to talk at the annual supreme conference.
In addition to all that being a member of a group of brothers all striving to live a holy life for Christ has greatly been a source of grace from God for me. I am a thousand times the man I was when I first joined the K of C. I encourage all catholic men who are serious about their faith to visit the local Kof C council to discover if the are called to it.
I encourage any to see the K of C stance on abortion at kofc.org
Sorry for the long post, but I have a passion for the order.
PS When ever you see the Pope in his popemoble thank the KofC. When ever you see the pope on TV thank the KofC. If you ever wonder who S of G pope John Paul II means by “the strong right arm of the Church” think KofC!
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rlg94086
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This has been my experience with the Knights, as well.
BTW…if you see Jim Walton (your agent), please tell him Robert Garrett says “hello.”
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Della
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And you got your information from a website devoted to nothing else but picking at KC members?
Whenever I see a website whose sole existence is dedicated to denigrating others I don’t think: “Oh here’s a great site doing a good work.” I think, “Why in the world would anyone have to expend so much time and effort just to make others look bad.” Maybe you should too? Just a suggestion–take it for what it’s worth.
And btw, my dh is a 4th Degree Knight and an officer in both his council and assembly. And I have been an officer of one kind or another in the Ladies Auxiliary for many years. I know how pro-life the Knights are and can furnish examples upon request. Just PM me.
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rwoehmke
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That is all you can come up with? Twenty guys out of how many? I would crawl in a hole and pull it in after me if I were that gullible and misled.
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Aramis
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I am a fourth degree in the KofC, and have never seen nor heard anything that would indicate ANY step away from the pro-life view. I kow of a couple individuals who are less so, but the order, for YEARS, has been stauch in its defense of the unborn.
Four years as a council warden… 2 as a trustee…
Whatever the source, it’s got some SERIOUS issues if it claims the KofC are Pro-choice.
Four years as a council warden… 2 as a trustee…
Whatever the source, it’s got some SERIOUS issues if it claims the KofC are Pro-choice.
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CatholicNerd
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What a load of hogwosh. I became a Knight earlier this year, and I am priveleged to work and pray with such holy men! We do nothing to protect the unborn? I suppose working our tails off to bring Norma McCorvey and several EWTN personae to address people in our HIGHLY liberal and pro-abortion community doesn’t really count. Nor do our constant prayers for the unborn, our support of the local crisis pregnancy center, and our efforts to promote natural family planning and adoption… Having met and worked alongside members of his family, this is personal.
I’ll be praying for you at Mass today.
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tee_eff_em
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Being a sinner does not disqualify a gentleman from membership in the order.
The only *possible *reason I can find that the order might take action against any of these members is for the sake of scandal. But: If the bishops and canonists of the Church do not recommend similar actions against them, why should the Knights?
Like any corporation, the order can remain “one of the world’s strongest proponents of the sanctity of human life from conception until natural death”, even if individual members do not share so strongly in that view.
:twocents:
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tee_eff_em
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Having poked at the site a bit more, I must amend my prior post. I believe there may be cause to expel others there listed, eg in the California contingent: Lisa Murkowski and Anna Eschoo.
I’m betting they don’t pass the physical.
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“Concerned Roman Catholics” indeed…
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Aramis
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Senator Lisa Murkowski is from Alaska, not California, and is not elligible to be a KofC member, as she lacks the correct Gender.Having poked at the site a bit more, I must amend my prior post. I believe there may be cause to expel others there listed, eg in the California contingent: Lisa Murkowski and Anna Eschoo.
I’m betting they don’t pass the physical.
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“Concerned Roman Catholics” indeed…
That site is losing credibility WAY too fast.
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I add: It is the K of C who are responsable for the slogan on US monies “One Nation Under God”
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tee_eff_em
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I do not believe that phrase appears on US money. However the Knights were influential in inserting the phrase “under God” into the Pledge of Allegiance.I add: It is the K of C who are responsable for the slogan on US monies “One Nation Under God”
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Angels_Watchin
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For the proof against the accusations of most of the posters on this thread, please read these articles about pro-abort Knights in CA
calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=960a81e8-8f34-49dd-bc1a-02cfb8e1a6b3
losangelesmission.com/ed/articles/2003/0603mk.htm
losangelesmission.com/ed/articles/2003/0303mk2.htm
This is no secret here in So Cal. nor to Carl Anderson. Something needs to be done - and if Carl does nothing then the local councils will do nothing.
It’s his group - he’s responsible, he’s been made aware - he has done nothing.
This was the statement:
“Carl Anderson does NOTHING while Senators and Congressmen (K of C members) continuously vote pro-abortion. HE and his gang of Knights do nothing to protect the unborn from these imposters.”
Don’t obscure the facts with “oh, she can’t be a knight! She wouldn’t pass the physical, ha! ha!” So some poor kid who volunteers his time to post info to the CRCOA blog - wasn’t told to split these names into 2 different groups “Knights” and “Other Catholic Public Reps who vote pro-abortion”. Let’s crucify him. The point is, THEY"RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!! Any of you want to help?
My statement is true.
"Carl Anderson does NOTHING while Senators and Congressmen (K of C members) continuously vote pro-abortion. HE and his gang of Knights do nothing to protect the unborn from these imposters."
I didn’t say Carl was not pro-life - (though we’ve got a bishop who is also closet pro-life, who rarely does anything but token gestures for pro-life.) I didn’t say the Knights didn’t do great work. I didn’t say that the Knights, as an organization, are pro-abortion. That’s all rhetoric. Stick to the subject and the allegations (Carl knows and does nothing), which, according to these articles and the voting record of these 4 are a matter of public record. (State Sen. Lou Correa, D-Santa Ana, state Assemblyman Rudy Bermudez, D-Norwalk, retired congressman Tony Coelho, and deceased Congressman Edward Roybal, who died a “Lifetime Honorary Member” of the Knights, even though he had a 100 percent rating from the National Abortion Rights Action League, whose funeral Mass was held at the LA Cathedral. Members of the Knights attempted to have him removed but C. Mahony wrote a letter in his defense. (see
onelacatholic.blogspot.com/2005/10/la-cathedral-will-hold-funeral-mass.html
ps Are ANY OF YOU from So. Cal? - I didn’t say the offenses were nationwide (though the comments on the first article do mention similar problems elsewhere )- I simply said Carl knows about these guys and has done nothing and neither has their local council. What does that say about them? **When do they get to be responsible for the pro-life stand they say their order takes? And if not them, who? **This is not about “oh, we’re all sinners.” This is public scandal. This is Knights publicly mocking the absolute, pro-life infallible teachings of the Church. This is public sin. This is about the murder of babies! This must be addressed by the authority of the organization, or they “stand” for nothing.
If Carl were TRULY, PUBLICLY pro-life he’d be all over these guys, PUBLICLY denouncing them!
Please call them (or email them) and ask that their leader do something to defend the teachings of the Church. Ask Carl to publicly denounce these men and have them and all others like them expelled from the honorable Knights of Columbus.
kofc.org/un/about/contact/index.cfm
calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=960a81e8-8f34-49dd-bc1a-02cfb8e1a6b3
losangelesmission.com/ed/articles/2003/0603mk.htm
losangelesmission.com/ed/articles/2003/0303mk2.htm
This is no secret here in So Cal. nor to Carl Anderson. Something needs to be done - and if Carl does nothing then the local councils will do nothing.
It’s his group - he’s responsible, he’s been made aware - he has done nothing.
This was the statement:
“Carl Anderson does NOTHING while Senators and Congressmen (K of C members) continuously vote pro-abortion. HE and his gang of Knights do nothing to protect the unborn from these imposters.”
Don’t obscure the facts with “oh, she can’t be a knight! She wouldn’t pass the physical, ha! ha!” So some poor kid who volunteers his time to post info to the CRCOA blog - wasn’t told to split these names into 2 different groups “Knights” and “Other Catholic Public Reps who vote pro-abortion”. Let’s crucify him. The point is, THEY"RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!! Any of you want to help?
My statement is true.
"Carl Anderson does NOTHING while Senators and Congressmen (K of C members) continuously vote pro-abortion. HE and his gang of Knights do nothing to protect the unborn from these imposters."
I didn’t say Carl was not pro-life - (though we’ve got a bishop who is also closet pro-life, who rarely does anything but token gestures for pro-life.) I didn’t say the Knights didn’t do great work. I didn’t say that the Knights, as an organization, are pro-abortion. That’s all rhetoric. Stick to the subject and the allegations (Carl knows and does nothing), which, according to these articles and the voting record of these 4 are a matter of public record. (State Sen. Lou Correa, D-Santa Ana, state Assemblyman Rudy Bermudez, D-Norwalk, retired congressman Tony Coelho, and deceased Congressman Edward Roybal, who died a “Lifetime Honorary Member” of the Knights, even though he had a 100 percent rating from the National Abortion Rights Action League, whose funeral Mass was held at the LA Cathedral. Members of the Knights attempted to have him removed but C. Mahony wrote a letter in his defense. (see
onelacatholic.blogspot.com/2005/10/la-cathedral-will-hold-funeral-mass.html
ps Are ANY OF YOU from So. Cal? - I didn’t say the offenses were nationwide (though the comments on the first article do mention similar problems elsewhere )- I simply said Carl knows about these guys and has done nothing and neither has their local council. What does that say about them? **When do they get to be responsible for the pro-life stand they say their order takes? And if not them, who? **This is not about “oh, we’re all sinners.” This is public scandal. This is Knights publicly mocking the absolute, pro-life infallible teachings of the Church. This is public sin. This is about the murder of babies! This must be addressed by the authority of the organization, or they “stand” for nothing.
If Carl were TRULY, PUBLICLY pro-life he’d be all over these guys, PUBLICLY denouncing them!
Please call them (or email them) and ask that their leader do something to defend the teachings of the Church. Ask Carl to publicly denounce these men and have them and all others like them expelled from the honorable Knights of Columbus.
kofc.org/un/about/contact/index.cfm
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Aramis
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It is a violation of the Order’s charter to involve itself in partisan politics or endorsing/decrying a candidate. Every Knight learns this right off, and if you ask your local council, you can find it in the Corporate charter and bylaws.
If the KofC came out publicly against these men, it would cost the order its tax-exempt status, and possibly even its corporate existence.
It would also be a violation of oaths sworn before god, almost always witnessed by a priest of the Church.
It is the Bishop’s job to censure them.
If the KofC came out publicly against these men, it would cost the order its tax-exempt status, and possibly even its corporate existence.
It would also be a violation of oaths sworn before god, almost always witnessed by a priest of the Church.
It is the Bishop’s job to censure them.
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I do not believe that phrase appears on US money. However the Knights were influential in inserting the phrase “under God” into the Pledge of Allegiance.
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It shows where my head was!I meant to say in the Pledge.
Sorry
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Angels_Watchin
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So you’re saying that a person cannot be expelled from the order for any reason? Gee, sounds like a real “moral” group. What “bylaws” would those be?
and 2, let them lose their tax exempt status - What you’re saying is that the choice here is to either obey God’s law or not pay taxes. Why can’t they just pay taxes like the rest of us do? Tax-exemption is just their Golden Calf if they are willing to remain silent while babies are being murdered!!! You are saying that BECAUSE THEY ARE KNIGHTS they must remain silent while men are murdering babies and participating in another’s sin. Gee, THAT’S a tough choice. They must not be silent! What would Jesus do???
and please explain or link to the “oaths before God” you speak of that this would be breaking. I’m truly interested.
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Aramis
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A Tax-Exempt organization is subject to liquidation in many states if it loses the 501C exemptions.
It would be an end, not a transition. The choice is to, as a group, pursue the good works, or to cry out in violation of our OATHS TO GOD against a brother and risk the ability to remain a group functioning.
It would be an end, not a transition. The choice is to, as a group, pursue the good works, or to cry out in violation of our OATHS TO GOD against a brother and risk the ability to remain a group functioning.
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