Holy Father Appoints U.S Prelates and Head of KofC

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What kind of so-called Catholics frequent these forums?

I can’t believe a Catholic would criticize the Knights of Columbus, I mean this is downright SHOCKING!

There are only three requirements to being a Knight of Columbus:
  1. 18 years old
  2. Male
  3. Catholic in good standing (i.e., not excommunicated)
If the Church wants to excommunicate people that hold certain opinions (such as a woman’s right to choose to kill her baby) then the Knights will surely force them out of the Order. Until then, there’s nothing we can, or even should, do. The Knights of Columbus are NOT going to be holier than the Church itself, and to believe they should is just pure insanity!

In my 33 years of life, this forum is the only place I’ve ever heard a Catholic criticize the Knights of Columbus, and it really makes me think twice about the motives of some of these people.
 
KofC660 said:
What kind of so-called Catholics frequent these forums?

I can’t believe a Catholic would criticize the Knights of Columbus, I mean this is downright SHOCKING!

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In my 33 years of life, this forum is the only place I’ve ever heard a Catholic criticize the Knights of Columbus, and it really makes me think twice about the motives of some of these people.
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Quite a variety of Characters, KofC660… Quite a few who wouldn’t make it through the first, let alone third, degrees.

Look how they demand we break vows made before God and man!
 
In my 5+ years as a knight, it has been my experience that each council and assembly functions for the betterment of their parish and local community. I can only speak for my council, and we focus a lot of our attention on respect life issues. Money raised at our annual charity ball almost always goes to the Diocese Respect Life Office or one of the many crisis pregnancy centers. We were instrumental in getting the Gabriel Project going at our parish. And we also march every year in the Right to Life march in San Francisco, which is not the easiest place to do so.

I am not going to speak negatively about another knight in a public forum, and I would hope that others feel the same. I will say though, that a knight that brings scandal such as we’re discussing on himself, the Church, or the Knights of Columbus, does need to be removed, but this is something that needs to be done by the local leaders of chapter. I’m not sure whether Carl Anderson has the authority to reprimand councils or assemblies, or individual knights. But if he does, I bet it is not something he is going to do publicly. That is not the way the Knights of Columbus works.
 
KofC660 said:
What kind of so-called Catholics frequent these forums?

I can’t believe a Catholic would criticize the Knights of Columbus, I mean this is downright SHOCKING!

There are only three requirements to being a Knight of Columbus:
  1. 18 years old
  2. Male
  3. Catholic in good standing (i.e., not excommunicated)
If the Church wants to excommunicate people that hold certain opinions (such as a woman’s right to choose to kill her baby) then the Knights will surely force them out of the Order. Until then, there’s nothing we can, or even should, do. The Knights of Columbus are NOT going to be holier than the Church itself, and to believe they should is just pure insanity!

In my 33 years of life, this forum is the only place I’ve ever heard a Catholic criticize the Knights of Columbus, and it really makes me think twice about the motives of some of these people.
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RE: excommunication - I believe, based on canon law, they have excommunicated themselves. Any canon lawyer posters willing to comment or advise?

Re: motives - the truth is the truth is the truth. If we do not expose the hypocrisy (acts of charity - to admonish the sinner and instruct the ignorant) we sin.
Why have the majority of Knights in the councils of these public representatives not spoken publicly about these facts? If it’s the "Charity, Unity, Fraternity thing, you are allowing those in a state of mortal sin to continue in it - not charitable. Re -unity - either abortion is ok or it’s not - there seems to be no unity in that absolute teaching of the Church.

RE: “makes me think twice about the motives” - Judging actions is required of us, judging motives, on the other hand is quite another - “Judge not, lest…”

re: “only place I’ve seen a Catholic criticize the Knights”
Check the links to the newspaper articles in my June 15th post -

I’d love to hear (from a Knight) what bylaw they would be breaking and what oath they take that requires they be silent while babies are being murdered. I’ve searched for bylaws and oaths for the Knights and didn’t find anything about this particular issue.
 
Angels_Watchin said:
RE: excommunication - I believe, based on canon law, they have excommunicated themselves. Any canon lawyer posters willing to comment or advise?

Re: motives - the truth is the truth is the truth. If we do not expose the hypocrisy (acts of charity - to admonish the sinner and instruct the ignorant) we sin.
Why have the majority of Knights in the councils of these public representatives not spoken publicly about these facts? If it’s the "Charity, Unity, Fraternity thing, you are allowing those in a state of mortal sin to continue in it - not charitable. Re -unity - either abortion is ok or it’s not - there seems to be no unity in that absolute teaching of the Church.

RE: “makes me think twice about the motives” - Judging actions is required of us, judging motives, on the other hand is quite another - “Judge not, lest…”

re: “only place I’ve seen a Catholic criticize the Knights”
Check the links to the newspaper articles in my June 15th post -

I’d love to hear (from a Knight) what bylaw they would be breaking and what oath they take that requires they be silent while babies are being murdered. I’ve searched for bylaws and oaths for the Knights and didn’t find anything about this particular issue.
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Plain and simple: No, by voting pro-abortion they are “merely” committing grave moral error and mortal sin.

Judging motives is the first step in evaluation of an author by any historian, lawyer, or other academic, in assessing the likelyhood of reliability and honesty. It is not synonymous with judging the individual as a whole, in most cases. I, for example, find Mark Levin (the radio personality) to have questionable motives, and therefore take with a grain of salt his program; I do not think him a bad person because of his apparent motivations, and in fact respect his enthusiasm, but not his methods.

Due to the oath of secrecy, the actual wording of the First Degree is not permitted to be revealed. However, know that keeping partisan politics out of the council chamber is a solemnly sworn oath.

Now, if the bishop excommunicates them, rather than just placing them under interdict, I would expect, in keeping with Canon Law, they would be expelled from the order.
 
The procedure for removal of a member is very clear, third degree member of his council brings charges, DD holds a trial, with a jury of his peers, if found guilty the member can be removed.

The procedures make no mention of the Supreme Knight having any part of it.

So Angels Watchin, you should go and become a third degree member of their council and bring charges, and their priest to testify that they are not practical catholics, then you should have no trouble having them removed.

It appears to me that the website in question is of a sinister nature, it looks like the classic case of making us all afraid to speak for the truth because of a few bad apples in the bunch, making us all unworthy to proclaim the gospel.

Where would our world be if the Apostles had given in to those pressures when Judas went bad?

We must continue to fight the good fight, reguardless of how these websites try to drag us down as a Church or an order.

As a 14 yr member of the KofC, Past Grand Knight and veteran of other higher offices, that has work tirelessly for the prolife and marriage cause, I do not welcome that website calling me or any of my brothers sodomites or pro-abortion. I have sat in front of legislators and government officals pleading the Church’s teachings, I was on TV praying the rosary in a life chain, with my wife and nine children somthing we have done every year for ten years without sensure at the same time moving up in the order. I have met Carl Anderson and other Supreme officers. I have attended daily mass with them two different weeks in the last two years. Any one of those men that manage a Fourtue 1000 company with over $14 billion in assets could walk away to another company and make five or ten times their current salaries, they stay because they believe what we believe, they want to fight the fight with us. They are not God however, they do not judge sin. That is left to God and the Church.

We all believe homosexual unions are wrong, abortion - wrong. Satan devides us and makes us fight eachother over eachothers imperfections that’s why were not winning. PRIDE over our own Piousness, not prayer.

If their council kicks them out I will not have a problem with that, it must be however on the issue of being a practical Catholic, I have not been ordained to be the judge of that. Bring their pastor or bishop who has been ordained, have him testify to their council and have him removed. But please don’t let the person that you may or may not know call this husband and father of nine a pro-choice sodomite, or any of the other 1.5 million of us for that matter just because of a few bad apples.:mad:
 
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