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MariaG
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Am I on ignore
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estesbob
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Perhaps we can get Comedy Central to cover it.I think thats a lovely idea actually
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myfavoritmartin
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Deaf ears and blind eyes will never see truth!
If they truly felt I was in the wrong they should do the scriptural thing and approach me person to person, and point out my error using scripture…Seeing as no one has, I am inclined to disbelief in your comment
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estesbob
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You and me both. I take it as badge of honor.Am I on ignore
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djrakowski
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How anyone could possibly ignore you, Maria, I’ll never knowAm I on ignore
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estesbob
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Since several Protestants have already diagreed with your view on this why should it it suprise you that you are embarraisng them? I am enbaraased for them.
You have yet to answer why you and Marty, both of whom claim to read Scripture, both of whom claims the Spirit will guide them to the truth, have come to opposite opinions on this issue. How do you reconcile this? Is you power of interpertaion better than Martys OR does the Spirit give out differing version of the truth?
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heisenburg
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…we should give him a fair chance to place his argument… While I have no worries about whether or not he can show where there was an error in faith and morals, it is still a fair question.
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myfavoritmartin
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As i said before I use the same authority to understand scripture as you used to determine the catholic church was the correct church…Again, by what authority does your interpretation of scripture trump the consistent witness of the Church, other Bible passages that speak of spiritual fatherhood and sonship you’ve chosen to subjugate to Matthew 23 in a complete misunderstanding of that passage, and the witness of other non-Catholic churches who share with us in the practice of referring to our priests as ‘father’?
By what authority do you deem to correct us for this sin that isn’t really a sin?
With respect to whether the Catholic Church (and the churches that share our practice in this matter) are authentically Christian: are you saying that we’re only good Christians if we don’t follow the customary practices of our respective churches? After all, you’ve said that if we do, we’re sinners…
My imperect one.
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MariaG
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djrakowski
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Ah, I see. It appears that you believe that God has given you the ability to read the hearts and minds of other Christians, as well as the ability to infallibly interpret scripture and bind the conscience of other Christians with your interpretations. That’s mighty interesting…
Really, we’re simply deaf to johnny-come-lately interpretations of scripture that ignore the entire context of the Bible, the context from which the Bible arose, and the witness of Christians throughout history.
By the way, I recall reading somewhere in one of your other posts that your user ID refers to Martin Luther. I’ve found this interesting section in a Wikipedia webpage on Luther:
Apparently, Luther had no objection to the title of ‘father.’
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djrakowski
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I see… but you’re certain that your interpretations are correct, and ours are not, and yet, you say your interpretations are imperfect? Which are they - correct, or imperfect? And if they’re imperfect, then you’ve just shot your entire argument in its foot.
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estesbob
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Did you ever read “The Hobbit” If so do you remember the creatures that turned to stone becuase the sun hit them? nough said
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estesbob
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So no one knows what Scripture means? All that stuff you told us about the indwelling of the Spirit in you and your certainty that he revealed to you the truth was a lie?
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mercygate
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We do not consider the title Father “elitist”. We consider it an address of familial love and respect, as in “honor thy father . . .”
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estesbob
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Exactly!
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mercygate
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I think I made it too!
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Brian_C
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As I’ve been keeping up with the thread mainly thru the email notifications, perhaps I’ve missed it.
But did anyone mention THIS article about history of the usage of “father” in America? Apparently protestants stopped using the term when Irish immigrants began using it for Catholic priests, which until then, in the US, did NOT use the title.
religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1916
If it was brought up already, I apologize.
But did anyone mention THIS article about history of the usage of “father” in America? Apparently protestants stopped using the term when Irish immigrants began using it for Catholic priests, which until then, in the US, did NOT use the title.
religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1916
If it was brought up already, I apologize.
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MariaG
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Yes it appears that he has dug a hole that he does not wish to acknowledge he is in.
Scripture shows the use of the word Father being used for spiritual fathers. So he now must show that our usage of Holy Father is for vain purposes rather than a familial and spiritual usage.
So instead of just confronting this head on, ignore seems to be the solution.
But I can’t even get him to say that this is what he does mean.
Father is okay for a spiritual use? But Holy Father is vain because…?
Ah well, you are in good company
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MariaG
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I haven’t noticed it. If it was mentioned it was a while back, so it won’t hurt to post it again:thumbsup:As I’ve been keeping up with the thread mainly thru the email notifications, perhaps I’ve missed it.
But did anyone mention THIS article about history of the usage of “father” in America? Apparently protestants stopped using the term when Irish immigrants began using it for Catholic priests, which until then, in the US, did NOT use the title.
religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1916
If it was brought up already, I apologize.
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