Holy Love Ministry

[Gittles]

Beckymarie - I forgot to say thank you. Thank you!

 

[beckycmarie]

Yeah, I agree with you. It does seem heretic. And yet - I’m not trying to beat a dead horse here, bear with me - it’s not really proof, is it? What was written there could mean a number of things.
“Pharisees” could be referring to lay people (or priests) who don’t like Holy Love. Not necessarily bishops. But, I agree, they could have put it much more clearly.
Oh I dunno …

You’re welcome.

You’re right, it isn’t proof; just my opinion. The only proof we will get is in whether or not the messages are recognized by the Church. If the Church does rule on this apparition, three things could happen:

A. The message is approved, and it’s okay for us to believe it (or not) if we so choose.

B. The message is not approved, and the Holy Love folks cease and desist, thus demonstrating obedience, humility, and spiritual maturity.

C. The message isn’t approved, and the Holy Love followers continue to spread the message in defiance, because the messages told them to do just that.

 

[Gittles]

well put!
I guess I’ll keep praying my St Michael’s shield. It can’t do any harm, surely. And try to leave it at that.
But I’m also gonna send a link to this thread to the priest that recommended holy love to begin with. He has met the visionary himself and knows a lot about it. And he would never deceive me on purpose. I’m interested to see what he can make of it. And I’ll keep you posted.

 

[George789]

Hi all,

This has me concerned. This message was given on June 14, 2008.
“Secretness is not of God, but of the spirit of darkness…”

How do you explain the secrets given to visionaries in Medjugorje and the Fatima secrets? I am puzzled by this.

 

[beckycmarie]

Hi all,

This has me concerned. This message was given on June 14, 2008.
“Secretness is not of God, but of the spirit of darkness…”

How do you explain the secrets given to visionaries in Medjugorje and the Fatima secrets? I am puzzled by this.

That sounds like a new way to sell this old lie:

“You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Of course there are things God does not want us to know; otherwise we’d have full knowledge right now.

 

[Gittles]

So I emailed that priest of mine (sound like i own the guy - I don’t). And briefly told him about what we’ve been discussing. And he answered today with two quotes from Holy Love that he thinks are worth discussing. I find them worrying. I’ve red-marked some of it:

July 9, 2008
Public

“I am your Jesus, born Incarnate.”

“Please understand that Satan is not so complex an enemy as you think. He always opposes the truth–any morsel of the truth. Since Holy Love is the Foundation of Truth, the enemy zeros in on Holy Love in the heart.”

“If you are living the commandments of love, you must realize that you are the enemy of evil. Therefore, the battle lines have been drawn. However, My Mother’s arsenal of grace is far more powerful than Satan’s pomp. In humility, we will defeat him; with love, we will chain him.”

“Be at peace.”​

July 10, 2008
Public

“I am your Jesus, born Incarnate.” “I tell you solemnly that those who think they have the truth, but oppose Holy Love, have been tricked by Satan. Holy Love is the path of truth, the journey into the Flame of Love, the embodiment of the 10 Commandments, the way to personal holiness, and even sanctification.”

“Think, then, what you oppose and whom you oppose. Do not be so caught up in intellectual pride to believe that you have all the answers without Holy Love. This message is salvific–simple, yet complex. I proclaimed this very message when I was amongst you.”

“Do not think foolishly that because I come for all people, all nations, you are too good to be amongst such as these. Your Lord and Savior calls you. Respond!”

 

[foggydawn]

Are we allowed to discuss unapproved revelations? I think this thread has crossed the line.

The history of this ministry, under different names, seems to have a long record of conflict with the Church. An article published by the Cleveland Plain Dealer had this to say, in 2005:

The organization’s Web site, at www.holylove.org, offers testimonials, an archive of Sweeney-Kyle’s messages and a history of the organization that “documents the Ministry’s struggles and the unwarranted attacks, untruths and calumnies by Diocesan officials of Cleveland.”

It’s clear the organization remains at odds with the Catholic Church. The ministry sought approval of Sweeney-Kyle’s messages through official channels for several years, but the Catholic diocese issued a statement urging extreme caution in 1999. Holy Love Ministries reacted by claiming to take an ecumenical approach, but rails against the church in many of its printed materials.

The Rev. Ralph Wiatrowski, chancellor of the diocese, says his concerns have only grown more serious.

“Private revelations, like Lourdes, underline what we know to be true–prayer and penance. But these ‘messages’ are getting more complex, elaborate and contrary to the teachings of the church. What’s disturbing is they are self-authenticating. They are said to be true because ‘Mary told me.’ We don’t want to discourage anyone from praying by any means, but we want them to stick with what we know to be true: Scripture, the teaching of the church and the celebration of the Mass.”

campus.udayton.edu/mary/news05/20051123.html
(scroll half way down, the article starts a bit beyond that)

The Diocese of Cleveland still has its warning against Holy Love Ministries on its website. The revelations are not recognized by the Catholic Church.
dioceseofcleveland.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=477:caution-holy-love-ministries-aka-the-confraternity-of-the-united-hearts&catid=1:latest&Itemid=385

 

[beckycmarie]

Foggydawn, the quote from the chancellor of the diocese and the warning posted on the diocese website confirm what I suspected about Holy Love. Thanks for the information.

 

[Gittles]

Foggydawn: first of all thanks for saying we may be breaking a rule here. I remember reading that rule somewhere, but didn’t keep it close to mind.
And I agree with Beckymarie - the issue seems rather closed. Thank you for helping me out …

 

[George789]

I like to recommend a good book on this subject. I had this book on my shelf and didn’t give it much thought until tonight. Its written by Fr. Benedict Groeschel, CFR, the friar on EWTN, the book is called “A Still Small Voice- A Practical Guide On Reported Revelations.” BTW, This book is based on spiritual classics and documents not readily available.

 

[Klara_Collins]

Thanks to all who participated; this thread is now Closed.

In the future, please remember that the promotion of and/or sharing of messages from unapproved private revelation is against Forum Rules.

Thank you.