Holy See approves new English translation of the Order of Mass - Plus, a bishop's pastoral concern

[Kendy]

Here, I grabbed a definition of “respect” off of dictionary.com.
esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability
I “show respect” by being an obedient Catholic who has deep appreciation of the hard work that goes into running a parish. My feelings on the music chosen by our music director does not alter the fact that I am glad she is there doing the job, and that she is a very warm and nice person. My feelings about the OCP missal have no affect on my admiration and respect for our pastor. So I am at a loss here. If you would be kind enough to point out how this isn’t good enough, and where my respect is lacking in my interactions in my parish where this music is used on a regular basis, then I promise you I will change my ways.

But if by “show respect” you mean that you want me (and actually, everyone) to lie on this forum about my feelings for this music, in a forum devoted to discussion of music, liturgy and the like, I will not. If things are going to change, there must be discussion.

That was not my comment.

I am not accusing you of anything that you are not guilty of. I was upset about what I thought were harsh comments about two musicians,which I don’t believe you made. I should probably look. I am not asking you to lie, but just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean it should be shoved out of Christian tradition (I am not saying that’s what you think). I just want us to recognize the love and reverence for God that goes into music that we don’t care for.

 

[Brendan]

Jesus gave us gregorian chant?

No, but that is what He sang the Psalms to in the synagogue. In it also what He and the Apostles sang the Psalms to as they left the Last Supper.

Chant comes to us from the Jewish Cantinillians used to sing the liturgical prayers and Psalms during Jewish worship.

If you listen to the Traditional Jewish Chants, Catholic Gregorian Chant and Orthodox Byzantine Chant, you will hear that they are all very similar, even though they have separated thousands of years ago. It is literally the music Christ used and the music of the Early Church.

Pope Gregory the Great consolidated several of the Chants, and hence his name is given to them, but he did not invent them. Like all the traditions of the Church, he simply passed on what was received.

Tying this back into the original topic, Pope John Paul called for Authentic Liturgy, hence the name of the document that called for faithful translations of the Liturgy, Liturgica Authenicam.

This same document also called for a renewal of the music used in the Liturgy. Instead of each parish choosing what music it wants to use out of several different missals, L.A. calls for the Bishops Conference to review music for Catholic content and appropriateness for the liturgy and create a standard missal for the country with a limited number of hymns. Like the translation of the Liturgy, this would also be submitted to Rome for approval ( recognito).

The hymns used are to have a content that is primarily either Christological, Trinitarian, Scriptural or in honor of the Saints.

Hymns to be avoided are those that have their primary emphasis on the people gathered ( think 'Gather us In" and “All are Welcome”)

After the bishops finish the translation of the Liturgy, they then get to start on the reforming the music (actually, they are late, Liturgica Autheticam required a draft missal two years ago, but the Vatican gave them some more time)

The USCCB posted a powerpoint a few years back briefing the bishops on some of the changes required by L.A. They have it posted on their website, but it’s on a very slow link

Here is another online copy.

praytwice.com/usccb/MUSIC%20FDLCnew_files/frame.htm

 

[Brendan]

The link above shows how particular the bishops are going to be on theological content ( and really, how particular WE ourselves should be)

It uses two hymns as examples, but shows how some of the publishers have changed it.

Let all Mortal Flesh • The first and third verses of this hymn have been altered to eliminate apparently archaic language and in inclusive the text. The original text said: Christ our God to earth decsendeth and As the Light of light descendeth—present tenses. These, however, have been changed to past tenses[descended] to eliminate the archaic language, causing the loss of the critically important notion of Christ’s continuous coming among us, especially in the Holy Eucharist. •

•Sing Praise to Our Creator • The original text spoke of being “baptized into his grace,” but was changed for the sake of vertical inclusively to: “baptized in living grace.” What does this mean?

Notice how changing ‘decendeth’ to ‘descended’ alters the theological meaning of the hymn?

likewise the inclusion of ‘inclusive’ terminology.

These are great examples of what to look for in hymns and what the bishops and the Vatican are looking for.

And it is stuff like this that makes the music of Mssrs Haugen and Haas theologically problematic.

 

[MrS]

The link above shows how particular the bishops are going to be on theological content ( and really, how particular WE ourselves should be)

It uses two hymns as examples, but shows how some of the publishers have changed it.

Notice how changing ‘decendeth’ to ‘descended’ alters the theological meaning of the hymn?

likewise the inclusion of ‘inclusive’ terminology.

These are great examples of what to look for in hymns and what the bishops and the Vatican are looking for.

And it is stuff like this that makes the music of Mssrs Haugen and Haas theologically problematic.

Thanks for offering the examples of the problem. I can only pray that more Catholics,… many, not all. … will understand the importance of the words we say at Mass.

 

[Jean_Anthony]

This thread is closed because it went way off topic. If you want to keep threads open, don’t take them off topic, and report anyone who takes them off topic. Thank you all.