Holy Shroud made by Giotto

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Yet another theory on the Shroud:
(ANSA) - Rome - The Holy Shroud of Turin, one of the most venerated objects of Christianity, was made by Italian pre-Renaissance artistic great Giotto, an Italian expert says.
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Luciano Buso, who has written a book on his sensational claim, says several veiled appearances of the number 15, hidden in the fabric by the artist, indicate Giotto created the shroud in 1315.
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This would coincide with carbon dating, contested by religious experts, which dates the shroud to the early 14th century, Buso contends.
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“I have examined extremely clear photos of the Shroud and spotted a number of occurrences of the number 15, in the face (of Christ), the hands, and in one case even shaped to look like a long cross,” said Buso, a painter and art restorer from Treviso…
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source: ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/english/2011/06/06/visualizza_new.html_840500900.html
 
You just have to spend an hour looking at all the other evidence, the ancient weaving method, the embedded plant material still identifiable, the newest carbon dating evidence (there’s a great vid on bbc), and so much more. I find it fascinating that solid scientific evidence doesn’t get on page 10 of the local rags, but this guy’s comment on Giotto does. arg.
 
Wrong, :dts: the shroud of turin is proven to be real…

youtube.com/watch?v=dfDdbxMKZRw

Be careful though, I’m not a sedevacantist, but the man in the video is. I don’t agree with what he says about the pope but the video is pretty acceptable.
 
First it was Leonardo who “faked” the shroud-------now it is Giotto. Hmmmmmmm.:rolleyes:

I personally agree that the Shroud has been conclusively proven to be real; but I understand that the secular media and world need to find ANY way to discredit this-------given it would give some credence to the fact that Jesus died and rose from the dead. Let them. I don’t need to read their books or articles, though.

They DO have a right to publish and make money of these theories, though—absolutely. 👍
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
First it was Leonardo who “faked” the shroud-------now it is Giotto. Hmmmmmmm.:rolleyes:

I personally agree that the Shroud has been conclusively proven to be real; but I understand that the secular media and world need to find ANY way to discredit this-------given it would give some credence to the fact that Jesus died and rose from the dead. Let them. I don’t need to read their books or articles, though.

They DO have a right to publish and make money of these theories, though—absolutely. 👍
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Problem is, the image of the man on the shroud was not known until 1860’s when it was photographed for the first time and the negative showed the image.

Prior to that, people saw the stains of blood and sweat which resembled a man, but not in detail that the negatives show.

An artist prior to image-photography would not know what to paint on the shroud or even conceive of the technology which would expose the image he created.

Also, keep in mind that the image on the shroud is a mirror immage. It’s unlikely an artist could’ve created such without seeing the painted end result.

Jim
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
First it was Leonardo who “faked” the shroud-------now it is Giotto. Hmmmmmmm.:rolleyes:

I personally agree that the Shroud has been conclusively proven to be real; but I understand that the secular media and world need to find ANY way to discredit this-------given it would give some credence to the fact that Jesus died and rose from the dead. Let them. I don’t need to read their books or articles, though.

They DO have a right to publish and make money of these theories, though—absolutely. 👍
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The shroud can never be “proven” to be real, simply because even if the age were validated, we can never prove that it was ever wrapped around our LORD.

However, any claim that it was painted by anybody, needs to take into account that there is just no paint on the thing. It’s not there.

Painting of body imaging with such accuracy was not known in the 1300s, and photographic negatives (the shroud is one) were not known until the 1800s.

And when would Giotto have taken the cloth to Israel to douse it with (in his time undiscovered) Mideastern pollen?

Crack theorists have a right to publish and TRY to make a profit. But everybody else has a right to ask hard questions about the theories.

ICXC NIKA.
 
measure the body of the shroud and then do measurements on the devine mercy painting and my friends you will get your answer,

the measuments on both the shroud and the devine mercy painting are the same that one could simply place the photo side by side with the shroud and get an answer. i saw a documentry on this once.
 
jesus4ever said:
measure the body of the shroud and then do measurements on the devine mercy painting and my friends you will get your answer,

the measuments on both the shroud and the devine mercy painting are the same that one could simply place the photo side by side with the shroud and get an answer. i saw a documentry on this once.
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The face, you mean.
 
Just another “expert” looking for his 15 minutes of fame.
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The Shroud is not a painting.

I would recommend not making any conclusions about the shroud without first reading the book Verdict on the Shroud,by Kenneth E. Stevenson & Gary R. Habermas, of the original Shroud of Turin Research Project team.
 
jesus4ever said:
measure the body of the shroud and then do measurements on the devine mercy painting and my friends you will get your answer,

the measuments on both the shroud and the devine mercy painting are the same that one could simply place the photo side by side with the shroud and get an answer. i saw a documentry on this once.
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Or, better yet, the Christus Pantocrator ikon near Athens.

This image, although it is only the face of our LORD, dates to the 600s, and matches the face on the Shroud to more than 350 data points! (eyes, nose, neck, etc).
(Factoring out, of course, that on the CP the eyes are shown alive and open, whereas on the shroud they are closed in death).

ICXC NIKA.
 
GEddie said:
Or, better yet, the Christus Pantocrator ikon near Athens.

This image, although it is only the face of our LORD, dates to the 600s, and matches the face on the Shroud to more than 350 data points! (eyes, nose, neck, etc).
(Factoring out, of course, that on the CP the eyes are shown alive and open, whereas on the shroud they are closed in death).

ICXC NIKA.
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That’s actually an icon found at St. Catherine’s Monastery in Sinai, where a number of icons that managed to survive Byzantine Iconoclasm can be found (the earliest dating from the 5th-6th centuries AD). Oh, and the so-called Vignon Markings.


Pantocrator of Sinai (encaustic, ca. 6th century AD)


Pantocrator from Daphni Monastery (mosaic, ca. 1080-1100)


Pantocrator from Hagia Sophia (mosaic, ca. AD 1261)
 
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