Homeschoolers forced into CCD for First Holy Eucharist

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As long as that is simply an expectation, and not a requirement, you would be in compliance with the Vatican on the subject.

Otherwise, you would not be.
Right - rather, the expectation is that the child would approach the Sacrament with the understanding and knowledge that is appropriate to his or her age, in his home parish, among his friends, neighbors, and family members.
 
I thought I was done, said all I would say, but…
Coming home from Mass and Benediction today something struck me. If I attended Mass at another parish on Sunday, would I be expected to attend Mass in my home parish as well? In reality we know the answer is no. I know the situations are not exactly analogous (reception vs. preparation) but follow me for a moment. What if my parish priest said “How can I know you really attended elsewhere? And it would be an effort for me to make sure the parish and priest you mention are real and truly established in union with the Roman Catholic Church. You must attend here. Besides if you really did go to a real Mass elsewhere, I can’t make exceptions for anyone and attending here too is a good supplement.” How ridiculous that would seem! Yet in a way that’s how I feel we may be being treated. “How do I know you’re really teaching the materials? It’s too much work for me or a DRE to look over at the materials you could present and talk with or test your daughter.”

The tidbits I’ve gleaned here… With best intentions many a diocese is laying out what THEY think is the BEST way to ensure the MOST youth come to the sacrament the MOST prepared. Some will feel that doing anything else is disobedience and/or perhaps purposely not doing what is best for their child. But encyclicals and Cannon Law say not to delay reception to those who are ready, that parents know THEIR child best and know how best to educate THEIR child, and PARENTS have the grave duty to ensure this happens. (I’m not saying every parent follows through, and I’m not saying strictly home study for sacraments is best for every child, or even my own child for that matter. If so it seems it would follow that I think there should be NO parish schools, NO PSR, no help of any kind available, and that is NOT what I’m saying.)

God Bless.
 
I feel that homeschoolers, by insisting of separating themselves from the parishes in this way, have seriously weakened our religious formation with our churches. In my parish they totally withdrew from parish religious ed, and the ultra-religious carry on devotional activities only with one another. Our pastor is not a strong leader, but emotionally labile and antisocial. All religious ed, then, totally collapsed, with a token first communion class the only youth activity available. We finally resorted to a Protestant youth group as a result, which turned our teenagers on to some on fire Christians who they feel are much more on fire for their faith.

Sad but true. Our smaller Catholic Churches are dying.
 
I feel that homeschoolers, by insisting of separating themselves from the parishes in this way, have seriously weakened our religious formation with our churches. In my parish they totally withdrew from parish religious ed, and the ultra-religious carry on devotional activities only with one another. Our pastor is not a strong leader, but emotionally labile and antisocial. All religious ed, then, totally collapsed, with a token first communion class the only youth activity available. We finally resorted to a Protestant youth group as a result, which turned our teenagers on to some on fire Christians who they feel are much more on fire for their faith.

Sad but true. Our smaller Catholic Churches are dying.
Some years ago there was a gifted public school teacher in my town. He was a Christian man who loved kids, totally dedicated to children, and the kids really loved him. Things were going bad in the school system and the ones hurt the most were the kids. I ran into this guy at a pizza place one night and told him I was taking my kids out of school and sending them to a safer place. Kids were bringing guns to school. It was in the newspapers. The first time the town freaked out. Then after a few incidents the response was, we have procedures in place to deal with this and they procedures were followed so all is well, said the administrators. What? Say that again? If they can’t keep kids from bringing guns to school my kids need to be somewhere safer. This dedicated teacher said, the parents who care about their kids have the good kids. If the good kids are taken out of the school there will only be bad kids and the good kids set good example. The whole thing will collapse if all the healthy families leave. He said he cared about all the kids. I sympathize, but in the end, if schools are dangerous to the point where there is going to be gunfire, I really don’t want my kids there. If the system can’t even make the schools safe how will they be able to teach math? A friend who has been teaching many years says he spend 90% of his time trying to deal with children who have serious problems. I appreciate that these kids are wounded and want them helped, but putting mine at risk of getting shot was not an option. If 90% of the math class is spent on discipline, my kid won’t learn math. I can’t fix the school system that is broken. I can make sure my kid learns math. I can’t fix the problems in Catholic religious education, but I can make sure my kids learned the basic precepts of the Catohlic faith. If things had been going well with religious ed for the last thirty years you would not have parents thinking they had to get their kids out and teach them at home.

So what you said is you have a weak ineffective priest and a messed up parish, but the problem is not the weak ineffective priest. Instead it is parents who don’t want their kids in lousy programs.

Privates don’t lead armies. Privates don’t deal with bad captains. Generals are responsible for the captains. Bishops not parishoners are responsible for priestly formation and who gets ordained and put in leadership. Bishops are responsible for priests. Parents are responsible for their kids.
 
. The genius of homeschooling, why it works so well, is the one-on-one involvement. Perhaps if the CCD/PSR model were allowed to be bent (a certain number of tutoring spots, instead of the classroom) there would be more participation by homeschoolers in the parish process.
that would by ideal, but since only one of the homeschoolers who meet regularly here for their support group chooses to assist with CCD, we have to make do with the catechists we have.
 
Let me see, the best way to teach a child the Faith is to teach them to disobey the Pastor and not to be part of the Parish community?

If the CCD teacher is teaching heresy, take it up with the Pastor and Bishop -

Why is there so much hatred of CCD in the homeschool community 🤷
We don’t hate CCD, we are just tired of sending our children to learn a watered down faith. If the parish used a solid curriculum it might be different.
Right, exactly. It’s almost as if home-schoolers have a fear of letting their children socialize.
Trust me, most home schooled children are in many outside activities.

There were over 60 students in my son’s Confirmation class last year. The order of the day was sit down, shut up and listen. There really wasn’t any time to socialize.
It’s not supposed to be. The idea is that the parish is supporting you and helping you teach your child.
This comment was in response to the statement that CCD can be a burden.
And it can be.
I love that you HAVE to send your child. Then your child is REQUIRED to attend an overnight retreat. Oh, and “the retreat is $80 and that check is due next week”.🤷
By asking for their teaching credentials and for their theological training background. Have they taken the Catechetical Certificate program for your Diocese, or are they in the process of doing so? If they don’t have their Theology degrees, yet, are they taking the classes, and if not, are they planning to in the near future? If they don’t have these things, then you have the right to mention to your priest that you don’t believe the Catechist is qualified.
This probably sounds funny, but I teach CCD. Crazy right? But I also feel that family should be able to home school for CCD.
Trust me, many Parishes are just happy to have a warm body teaching. Many teachers don’t have any real theological training. Some have taken a class or two for the certificate program. But the DRE can’t force anyone to take a class. If she does, they can just leave. I already spend enough of my time prepping for class, I don’t have time for classes as well. If I am suddenly required to take classes, trust me, I can find something else to do with my Sunday mornings. Our DRE even has a non-Catholic teaching a preschool class.:rolleyes: But she can’t find anyone else.
 
We don’t hate CCD, we are just tired of sending our children to learn a watered down faith. If the parish used a solid curriculum it might be different.

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I am sure things must have improved and maybe we lived in one of the worst parish situations, but we moved around it it seemed typical. 25 years ago we sent our kids to CCD and they would come home with empty plastic bottles with felt faces pasted on them that said “I am special”. I mentioned once to the priest that I was concerned that the kids were not getting any formation. He was not troubled by the lack of substance in the program and commented that anything would be better than going back to the Baltimore Catechism.

It really is difficult to figure out what happened, why an entire Church would take something that seemed to be working well and toss it out and replace it with nonsense. Its like everyone was struck dumb.

This same priest had a doctorate in canon law and became the rector of a seminary. He once baptized two homosexual men in the church by full immersion in the nude.

It really is a puzzle when you try to understand what went wrong. It had to be something of a spiritual nature.
 
that would by ideal, but since only one of the homeschoolers who meet regularly here for their support group chooses to assist with CCD, we have to make do with the catechists we have.
As I said, not many support the classroom nor feel inclined to lead one. But like any push for volunteers, has anyone approached them? Have their concerns been addressed? Is the diocesan policy hostile to homeschooling?
Privates don’t lead armies. Privates don’t deal with bad captains. Generals are responsible for the captains. Bishops not parishoners are responsible for priestly formation and who gets ordained and put in leadership. Bishops are responsible for priests. Parents are responsible for their kids.
This is an excellent analogy. We can’t change the whole world, but we can shape ourselves, our families.
 
Right - rather, the expectation is that the child would approach the Sacrament with the understanding and knowledge that is appropriate to his or her age, in his home parish, among his friends, neighbors, and family members.
Correct, and the process by which the child gains that understanding is at the discretion of the parents.

The parish or diocese may (and should) offer resources to assist, but they should not convey the impression that such resources are mandatory. To do that would be to cooperate in material falsehood.
 
since there seems no chance we will return to topic, which is sacramental preparation requirements for home-schoolers–who were at no time asked to justify their decision to home school–there seems to be no further contribution to be made to this discussion, except for one last plea for every qualified person to discern a call to be a catechist in your parish.
 
I just wanted to comment that the reason most homeschoolers don’t teach ccd isn’t that they are isolationists–it’s that they generally have big families and intense schedules.

Also, we spend most of the week involved in education–teaching our own kids, doing field trips, running clubs, teaching in co-ops.

I love teaching ccd. I taught four years of 7th grade, and two years of third grade. I’ve also taught in at least ten vbs.

It’s really easy to get overwhelmed, so with my new baby, I decided I better not do it this year.

Keep in mind that in homeschooling, the mother is essentially more of a working mom than a SAHM. Our focus is education. In addition to that, we have the burderns of housework, cooking, errands, and laundry. Because many homeschooling families tend to be larger, moms often are pregnant or nursing.

From my experience, homeschooling moms and dads who volunteer to teach ccd put a lot of time into it, and soon find that teaching ccd causes them to neglect their families. So, they tend to do it for a year or two, then decide that they had better wait until their kids are grown up.

Sunday is a much needed day to relax and spend re energizing.
 
I also wanted to comment that my parish’s policies are ideal. Catechesis by parents is supported by the pastor and DRE. The first communion program has a liturgical component that includes 2 retreats, an enrollment liturgy, a joint first reconciliation liturgy, a joint first communion Mass.

We choose to do our catechesis at home and participate in the liturgical component with our parish. 🙂
 
I just wanted to comment that the reason most homeschoolers don’t teach ccd isn’t that they are isolationists–it’s that they generally have big families and intense schedules.

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not every parish has CCD on Sunday, we discourage it because the Bishop prefers that day be reserved for family and rest, but in some parishes it is the only option. Most of my catechists work full time, have large families, and intense schedules as well. If this is your year for having a new baby, going back to college, starting a business, caring for an elderly parent, no this is not your year for CCD, but I simply will not accept whining about the quality of parish programs from people who have deliberately exempted themselves from any participation or contribution to those programs.
 
not every parish has CCD on Sunday, we discourage it because the Bishop prefers that day be reserved for family and rest, but in some parishes it is the only option. Most of my catechists work full time, have large families, and intense schedules as well.
Okay. That’s great.

I guess homeschoolers like me are just wimps. oh well…

keep up the good work! I know being a DRE is hard.
 
Okay. That’s great.

I’m just so tired…
that is why we have discernment
take a breath, relax, try to get someplace w/o the kids for 5 minutes (the bathroom if they let you is fine) just . . . be . . . with . . . the Lord

try the loyolapress.com website or the links to their textbooks like ChristOurLife for their on-line 3 minute mini-retreats–very refreshing
 
since there seems no chance we will return to topic, which is sacramental preparation requirements for home-schoolers–who were at no time asked to justify their decision to home school–there seems to be no further contribution to be made to this discussion, except for one last plea for every qualified person to discern a call to be a catechist in your parish.
Canon Can. 913 §1.:
The administration of the Most Holy Eucharist to children requires that they have sufficient knowledge and careful preparation so that they understand the mystery of Christ according to their capacity and are able to receive the body of Christ with faith and devotion.
So I see a few requirements: 1) age of reason, 2) sufficient knowledge and preparation to their capacity, 3) ability to receive w/ faith and devotion.

What is this sufficient knowledge? According to Pius X (in Quam Singulari): “The knowledge of religion which is required in a child in order to be properly prepared to receive First Communion is such that he will understand according to his capacity those Mysteries of faith which are necessary as a means of salvation (necessitate medii) and that he can distinguish between the Bread of the Eucharist and ordinary, material bread, and thus he may receive Holy Communion with a devotion becoming his years.”
 
… I simply will not accept whining about the quality of parish programs from people who have deliberately exempted themselves from any participation or contribution to those programs.
Hear, hear!

NB: As grandfather described, the stakes are higher than ever.

My own anecdote: Many of the public school 8th graders whom I teach as a “faith formation” volunteer have no real connection to the Church. Although most of them have been in local parish “faith formation” since kindergarten, Catholicism simply isn’t part of their identity. In fact, many of them don’t seem to see past the current attacks on Christianity. Their parents apparently want them to stick to it until they’re confirmed, then they’ll disappear.

Here’s how I would put it: Let’s take back our Parishes and our Catechism programs from people who have failed us.

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So I see a few requirements: 1) age of reason, 2) sufficient knowledge and preparation to their capacity, 3) ability to receive w/ faith and devotion.

What is this sufficient knowledge? According to Pius X (in Quam Singulari): “The knowledge of religion which is required in a child in order to be properly prepared to receive First Communion is such that he will understand according to his capacity those Mysteries of faith which are necessary as a means of salvation (necessitate medii) and that he can distinguish between the Bread of the Eucharist and ordinary, material bread, and thus he may receive Holy Communion with a devotion becoming his years.”
At our parish, sufficient knowledge equals sitting in a classroom 1 hour for 30 weeks on a Sunday morning with 60 other students. It means talking about Penance without mentioning Hell, and other teachings that are half taught. It means doing saint reports because some students have not chosen a patron and we need to help them meet their requirements. It means mandatory homework, that is never checked or returned. It means signed bulletins to prove you attended Mass, but are never collected. And it means paying $80 for a mandatory overnight co-ed retreat. It means no tests, interviews or other means of seeing what the student has learned.

I home school. And we were forced to send our son to class if we wanted him to make his Confirmation. The retreat was also mandatory, if he didn’t go, he would not make his Confirmation.

The problem? Each week, we would talk after class. And based on the topics and what he said, he learned nothing. Not one thing.
 
At our parish, sufficient knowledge equals sitting in a classroom 1 hour for 30 weeks on a Sunday morning with 60 other students. It means talking about Penance without mentioning Hell, and other teachings that are half taught. It means doing saint reports because some students have not chosen a patron and we need to help them meet their requirements. It means mandatory homework, that is never checked or returned. It means signed bulletins to prove you attended Mass, but are never collected. And it means paying $80 for a mandatory overnight co-ed retreat. It means no tests, interviews or other means of seeing what the student has learned.

I home school. And we were forced to send our son to class if we wanted him to make his Confirmation. The retreat was also mandatory, if he didn’t go, he would not make his Confirmation.

The problem? Each week, we would talk after class. And based on the topics and what he said, he learned nothing. Not one thing.
emphis mine.

And home schoolers are the ones who have a problem. As a mom so many red flags would be flying with these “hurdles” being asked of parents and child to receive a sacrament. What does a co-ed retreat have to do with receiving the Holy Spirit? This is not what the Church wants and so why is it what the parish is asking?
 
emphis mine.

And home schoolers are the ones who have a problem. As a mom so many red flags would be flying with these “hurdles” being asked of parents and child to receive a sacrament. What does a co-ed retreat have to do with receiving the Holy Spirit? This is not what the Church wants and so why is it what the parish is asking?
According to the DRE, I shouldn’t say co-ed, because they didn’t sleep in the same room. Of course they spent the rest of the weekend together. The only time spent apart was sleeping, restrooms and Confession. To me that is co-ed.
 
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