HOMILY AFTER 2nd READING, then ALLELUIA AND GOSPEL READING

[Sarika]

Today, to shake things up a bit and “break routine”, our Priest told us to remain seated after the second reading. He proceeded to walk around and give his homily. After that, we stood for the Alleluia and the lector read the Gospel reading. Has anyone ever experienced this?

 

[svid2]

I thought the homily was supposed to be AFTER and ABOUT the Gospel. Expert opinion appreciated here.

 

[marlap2]

ARRRG.
No this has never happened at any parish I’ve attended.

I found this interesting, however, (although it makes me uncomfortable). I looked into Canon Law online at vatican.va, and google’d this. I couldn’t find anything that said never do this, although it was. Maybe someone else can find more information.

Speaking for myself, I like the order of Mass to be consistent, faithfully serving the Church that’s created this order for over two millenia, inclusive of councils, and their changes.

I’m hoping that someone else can illumine this for you.

blessings

 

[Jim_Roberts]

Your priest could have done this for numerous reasons.

Perhaps the Gospel was too long and wanted to make it easier for the elderly people cause it is taxing to stand up for the whole reaading and he was being consideratwe of those people.

Please be apprised that it is NOT wrong to sit during the Gospel.

I attended a funeral liturgy and the presiding priest told us to sit for the entire mass.

Please do not judge him without knowing the particulars–he is representing God.

 

[Irishgal49]

It’s not about “judging” him. It’s about proper order. The homily is AFTER the Gospel reading. I would see NO REASON to do what he did.

 

[heathernoel]

The U.S.C.C.B. lists two versions of the readings today: one long and one short. Our Parish read the short version, but we have been asked to be seated during longer readings, particularly when it is the Passion (we do kneel, however, when we read about His death).

 

[centurionguard]

ARRRG.
No this has never happened at any parish I’ve attended.

I found this interesting, however, (although it makes me uncomfortable). I looked into Canon Law online bav.vatican.va, and googled this. I couldn’t find anything that said never do this, although it was. Maybe someone else can find more information.

Speaking for myself, I like the order of Mass to be consistent, faithfully serving the Church that’s created this order for over two millennia, inclusive of councils, and their changes.

I’m hoping that someone else can illumine this for you.

blessings

Look at the G.I.R.M. (General Instruction of the Roman Missal).

usccb.org/liturgy/current/revmissalisromanien.shtml

Traditionally the Homily is Always given after the Gospel.

Seems weird to me that the priest would want to deviate from the norm.

 

[marlap2]

Thanks Centurion,
I knew SOMEBODY would find the right place for the answer…

Funny, you and I are Canadian and you found the answer in a USSCB document.

Cheers!

 

[lizaanne]

Today, to shake things up a bit and “break routine”, our Priest told us to remain seated after the second reading. He proceeded to walk around and give his homily. After that, we stood for the Alleluia and the lector read the Gospel reading. Has anyone ever experienced this?

This is what I like to call “creating the Mass in your own image”. It is not acceptable, it is self serving, and it is just plain wrong. The priest has no right to move the order of the Mass around to “shake things up”. Perhaps what he could have done, is used some of his time during the homily to actually TEACH the people about the order of the Mass, and why things are the way they are - because the Church doesn’t just make this stuff up to get a warm fuzzy.



~Liza

 

[Sarika]

Your priest could have done this for numerous reasons.
Perhaps the Gospel was too long and wanted to make it easier for the elderly people cause it is taxing to stand up for the whole reaading and he was being consideratwe of those people.
Please be apprised that it is NOT wrong to sit during the Gospel.
I attended a funeral liturgy and the presiding priest told us to sit for the entire mass.
Please do not judge him without knowing the particulars–he is representing God.

 

[Sarika]

The U.S.C.C.B. lists two versions of the readings today: one long and one short. Our Parish read the short version, but we have been asked to be seated during longer readings, particularly when it is the Passion (we do kneel, however, when we read about His death).

We didn’t sit. We stood. The Gospel reading and the homily were in reverse order because “Jesus sometimes changed the way He did things in order to get the people’s attention.”

 

[Tantum_ergo]

We didn’t sit. We stood. The Gospel reading and the homily were in reverse order because “Jesus sometimes changed the way He did things in order to get the people’s attention.”

I would be so, so very tempted to get together a nice gathering of fellow parishioners to announce to Father that from now on, y’all were going to stop donating in your envelopes and just give ‘what the Spirit moved’ to another Catholic Church because, “Jesus sometimes changed the way He did things in order to get the people’s attention.”

 

[Tantum_ergo]

And another thing. . .

When Jesus ‘shook things up to get people’s attention’. . .didn’t He actually go on from there and do some actual TEACHING? Isn’t it rather silly to just do something ‘different’ and then chortle, "Ha ha, Jesus used to do this to get attention."

**So, he’s got your attention. . .WHAT DID HE DO WITH THAT ATTENTION? **

IOW, what did he actually TEACH since he got you to ‘notice’ him? What was the big important message that he had to give you and needed to get your attention for??

 

[Sarika]

And another thing. . .
When Jesus ‘shook things up to get people’s attention’. . .didn’t He actually go on from there and do some actual TEACHING? Isn’t it rather silly to just do something ‘different’ and then chortle, "Ha ha, Jesus used to do this to get attention."
**So, he’s got your attention. . .WHAT DID HE DO WITH THAT ATTENTION? **
IOW, what did he actually TEACH since he got you to ‘notice’ him? What was the big important message that he had to give you and needed to get your attention for??

Basically, “if only people knew how much they are loved”. A nice sentiment (and true), but the same one I (and others) have been hearing for 25+ years from various priests. Nothing new, actually.

 

[GwenL]

Today, to shake things up a bit and “break routine”, our Priest told us to remain seated after the second reading. He proceeded to walk around and give his homily. After that, we stood for the Alleluia and the lector read the Gospel reading. Has anyone ever experienced this?

A lay person may NEVER proclaim the Gospel at Mass.

2003 GIRM 59
59. By tradition, the function of proclaiming the readings is ministerial, not presidential. The readings, therefore, should be proclaimed by a lector, and the Gospel by a deacon or, in his absence, a priest other than the celebrant. If, however, a deacon or another priest is not present, the priest celebrant himself should read the Gospel. Further, if another suitable lector is also not present, then the priest celebrant should also proclaim the other readings.

Redemptionis Sacramentum 63
63. Within the celebration of the Sacred Liturgy, the reading of the Gospel, which is “the high point of the Liturgy of the Word,” is reserved by the Church’s tradition to an ordained minister.Thus it is not permitted for a layperson, even a religious, to proclaim
the Gospel reading in the celebration of Holy Mass, nor in other cases in which the norms do not explicitly permit it.

 

[Sarika]

I never said anything about a lay person reading the Gospel or giving the homily. You must have misread the post.

 

[benedictgal]

We didn’t sit. We stood. The Gospel reading and the homily were in reverse order because “Jesus sometimes changed the way He did things in order to get the people’s attention.”

Jesus never altered the cultic sacrificial norms of Ancient Israel’s temple worship, being that His own Father had dictated them to Moses and laid down some very specific rubrics.

Redemptionis Sacramentum states that:

[63.] Within the celebration of the Sacred Liturgy, the reading of the Gospel, which is “the high point of the Liturgy of the Word”,139 is reserved by the Church’s tradition to an ordained minister.140 Thus it is not permitted for a layperson, even a religious, to proclaim the Gospel reading in the celebration of Holy Mass, nor in other cases in which the norms do not explicitly permit it.141

[64.] The homily, which is given in the course of the celebration of Holy Mass and is a part of the Liturgy itself,142 “should ordinarily be given by the Priest celebrant himself. He may entrust it to a concelebrating Priest or occasionally, according to circumstances, to a Deacon, but never to a layperson.143 In particular cases and for a just cause, the homily may even be given by a Bishop or a Priest who is present at the celebration but cannot concelebrate”.144

Redemptionis Sacramentum specifically places the preaching of the homily after the proclamation of the Gospel.

 

[Stylites]

Today, to shake things up a bit and “break routine”, our Priest told us to remain seated after the second reading. He proceeded to walk around and give his homily. After that, we stood for the Alleluia and the lector read the Gospel reading. Has anyone ever experienced this?

The representative of Christ spoke a homily. The people said “Alleluia.” The Gospel was proclaimed. That is so very wonderful. The order of the homily before the Alleluia hardly seems a reason to become a Protestant.

And it came to pass, as he spoke these things, a certain woman from the crowd, lifting up her voice, said to him: Blessed is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that gave thee suck. But he said: Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it.

• Luke 11:27-28

 

[GwenL]

Today, to shake things up a bit and “break routine”, our Priest told us to remain seated after the second reading. He proceeded to walk around and give his homily. After that, we stood for the Alleluia and the lector read the Gospel reading. Has anyone ever experienced this?

Sarika, isn’t this your OP? “the lector read the Gospel reading.”

Is this lector a layperson? Or an instituted lector (a minor clerical order, only men, I don’t know if there are even any of them around anymore)?

 

[benedictgal]

The representative of Christ spoke a homily. The people said “Alleluia.” The Gospel was proclaimed. That is so very wonderful. The order of the homily before the Alleluia hardly seems a reason to become a Protestant.

And it came to pass, as he spoke these things, a certain woman from the crowd, lifting up her voice, said to him: Blessed is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that gave thee suck. But he said: Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it.

• Luke 11:27-28

The priest does not have the right to change the order of the Mass. The priest is bound by holy obedience to follow the rubrics and the norms spelled out in the Roman Missal and in the GIRM.