Homophobia: What Jesus NEVER said and Biological Proof

[praise_Jesus_1]

Welcome to the forum BluntJoey.

I’m not exactly sure what the aim of your post is, especially on this forum. To be honest I don’t think too many people here will be deeply sympathetic to your arguments.

For those of us who have found Jesus and desire to live the faith (a faith that has been attacked over the past 2000 years in one way or another), we cannot be swayed by these misguided arguments and attacks. We desire to live in eternity with Christ Jesus and nothing you can say will ever change that.

God Bless.

 

[BluntJoey]

What if pedophilia was shown to have a biological basis? Would you advocate death for someone who was born that way?

Again, this goes to your point. Are you saying that homosexuality MUST be accepted because there is a biological basis for it?

Peace

Tim

I SURE AM. Because we are law-abiding, safe, TAX-PATING citizens who have been proven to be no more dangerous than straight individuals. I truly believe that in your heart - especially if you’re used to being around your gay family member for instance - you know better than all of this. I’ll leave you to think about that, to read over all my evidence concisely ETC.

 

[elvisman]

I believe in the death penalty for pedophiles. The question is so insulting. No: Mental illnesses are different from being gay, which hasn’t been considered one since 1971. MEntal Illnesses endanger others [such as bipolar disorder, which makes victims 4 times more likely to commit suicide]. Pedophiles abominably harm children and are very sick, unforgivable beings.
And why do you think I support adultery? I, personally speaking, have to be in love to engage in sex with anyone . 96 percent of this country has pre-marital sex and yet over half want to deny gays the right to marry. Of course if you don’t allow them to marry, it will always remain fornication. Additionally, giving people equal rights make them happier, which is good. I’ve had hOMOPHOBIC people complain that they have to work with gay people because “they are unfortunately very talented people.” Their words, not mine. Why the hatefulness then?
If there are no other substantial, meaningful questions then I am done here. READ THE FACTS, and do what your heart knows you must with it.
“Ignorance is not bliss.” - Madonna

You’d have to add homosexual acts to the list of abominable practices.
Leviticus 18:21 emphatically states that homosexual act is an ABOMINATION:
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination."

 

[Orogeny]

And why do you think I support adultery?

Consenting adults seems to be your criteria for acceptance. What if the two consenting adults were married to other people? You see, your criteria has implications that you don’t seem to have thought about.

I, personally speaking, have to be in love to engage in sex with anyone . 96 percent of this country has pre-marital sex and yet over half want to deny gays the right to marry.

Of course, neither has anything to do with the other.

“Ignorance is not bliss.” - Madonna

That’s a joke, right? Madonna? Really?

Peace

Tim

 

[Orogeny]

LOL. I scored a perfectly on the SAT’s Language portions, just finished writing my book, have had teachers commend me for my language skills since KINDERGARDEN, and the dictionary is one of the best gifts I just got for my birthday! Try again.

Try what again? If you re-read my original post and come to the same conclusion as to what I wrote, then you have a lack of reading comprehension. Pretty simple.

Peace

Tim

 

[Orogeny]

I SURE AM. Because we are law-abiding, safe, TAX-PATING citizens who have been proven to be no more dangerous than straight individuals. I truly believe that in your heart - especially if you’re used to being around your gay family member for instance - you know better than all of this. I’ll leave you to think about that, to read over all my evidence concisely ETC.

So, you agree that if pedophilia were shown to have a biological basis, you would accept pedophiles? Really?

By the way, Mr. Perfect SAT, that would be TAX-PAYING citizens.

Peace

Tim

 

[elvisman]

LOL. I scored a perfectly on the SAT’s Language portions, just finished writing my book, have had teachers commend me for my language skills since KINDERGARDEN, and the dictionary is one of the best gifts I just got for my birthday! Try again.

Ummm . . . Mr. Perfect - it’s "Kindergarten".

 

[Magnus467]

We are in the year 2009 now. Have you heard of Dr. Drew? Did you see how straight and gays have SUBSTANTIAL differences in our brains? Did you see the PHYSIOLOGICALLY contrasts? Please address - at the least - why so many more gay people are left-handed than straight people? Do not insult the intelligence of me or the APA, please.

And yes, I may have been harsher upon him but he DARES compares me to pedophiles. Not gonna happen. Pedophiles do TERRIBLE ABOMINATIONS but the facts I have provided are otherwise regarding gays, stating they are as normal and well-functioning as straight people. Accept the facts: The younger generation overwhelmingly has [look at the voting demographics] and your grandchildren will look down at you shamefully for it.

Moreover, stop being selective. Address all my points or none at all. Concede fruitlessly.

You need to calm down please. I am not insulting anyone’s intelligence. We are supposed to have charitable discussions on this forum. No one here is claiming to hate gay people.

I would have to ask when do the alleged alterations in the brain occur? What stage in development? Is there any genetic basis?

Christian Web News - After years of debate, the American Psychological Association has finally admitted that there is no ‘gay gene’ in a recent publication.

A. Dean Byrd, former president of National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, confirmed that in a brochure the American Psychological Association **stated the opposite of what the APA has advocated for years.
**

The brochure reads:

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles. …"

**The APA had previously stated in a brochure that first came out in 1998 that “There is considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person’s sexuality.” **

Homosexuality not Biological After All

“Although there is no mention of the research that influenced this new position statement, it is clear that efforts to ‘prove’ that homosexuality is simply a biological fait accompli have failed,” **Byrd wrote. “The activist researchers themselves have reluctantly reached that conclusion. There is no gay gene. There is no simple biological pathway to homosexuality.”
**
Byrd said the APA’s previous documents “have strong activist overtones,” but the newer document “is more reflective of science and more consistent with the ethicality of psychological care.”

“On the question of whether or not therapy can change sexual orientation, the former document offered a resounding ‘no,’” Byrd wrote. “However, the current document is much more nuanced and contains the following statement: ‘To date, there has been no scientifically adequate research to show that therapy (sometimes called reparative or conversion therapy) is safe or effective.’”

Byrd questioned whether the APA now plans to study the effectiveness of a variety of therapies for homosexuality.

Even the APA’s recommendations for additional information have changed

“Most intriguing are the recommended resources for further reading. The former brochure referred readers to the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force; to Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, and to Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States (SIECUS), all activist groups,” Byrd wrote. “The current brochure refers readers to the American Psychological Association, Mental Health America, and the American Academy of Pediatrics.”

NARTH documents other evidence of the non-existence of a “gay” gene, as well.

For example, Douglas Abbott, a University of Nebraska professor, concluded, “If homosexuality was caused by genetic mechanisms, their children would be more likely to choose same-sex interaction. But they aren’t more likely, so therefore it can’t be genetic.”

NARTH also refutes some of the positions held by homosexual advocates.

"The term ‘homophobia’ is often used inaccurately to describe any person who objects to homosexual behavior on either moral, psychological or medical grounds," NARTH explains. "Technically, however, the terms actually denotes a person who has a phobia – or irrational fear – of homosexuality. Principled disagreement, therefore, cannot be labeled ‘homophobia.’"

This is from 2009!!!

 

[Orogeny]

NARTH also refutes some of the positions held by homosexual advocates.

"The term ‘homophobia’ is often used inaccurately to describe any person who objects to homosexual behavior on either moral, psychological or medical grounds," NARTH explains. "Technically, however, the terms actually denotes a person who has a phobia – or irrational fear – of homosexuality. Principled disagreement, therefore, cannot be labeled ‘homophobia.’"

This is from 2009!!!

Of course it can. That is how you marginalize anyone who disagrees with “gay rights”. The fact that it is an incorrect use of the term is irrelevant. Only the effect of the term on the debate is relevant.

Peace

Tim

 

[cargau]

I don’t have time to negate St. Paul [which I can easily do] considering he heavily contradicted Jesus in a number of ways; not to mention that he never ONCE in the Bible said that you had to be a Christian to get to heaven, nor that gay people are terrible.
I will eventually post my essay on Paul and Moses. I wouldn’t be here unless I had belief in Catholics as intellectual beings, so here is PROOF being gay is biological:

Physiological
Recent studies have found notable differences between the physiology of gay people and non-gay people. There is evidence that:

Gay men have similar brains to those of straight women and gay women to those of straight men [48]
The average size of the INAH-3 in the brains of gay men is approximately the same size as INAH 3 in women, which is significantly smaller, and the cells more densely packed [women use their bra(name removed by moderator)ower more efficiently], than in heterosexual men’s brains.[5]
The suprachiasmatic nucleus was found by Swaab and Hopffman to be larger in gay men than in non-gay men,[49] the suprachiasmatic nucleus is also known to be larger in men than in women.[50]
The anterior commissure is larger in women than men and was reported to be larger in gay men than in non-gay men,[51] but a subsequent study found no such difference.[52]
Gay men report, on an average, slightly longer and thicker penises than non-gay men.[53]
Gay men’s brains respond differently to fluoxetine, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.[54]
The functioning of the inner ear and the central auditory system in lesbians and bisexual women are more like the functional properties found in men than in non-gay women (the researchers argued this finding was consistent with the prenatal hormonal theory of sexual orientation).[55]
The startle response (eyeblink following a loud sound) is similarly masculinized in lesbians and bisexual women.[56]
Three regions of the brain (medial prefrontal cortex, left hippocampus, and right amygdala) are more active in gay men than non-gay men when exposed to sexually arousing material.[57]
Gay and non-gay people emit different armpit odors.[58]
Gay men are more likely to have a counter-clockwise hair whorl pattern.[59]
Gay and non-gay people’s brains respond differently to two human sex pheromones (AND, found in male armpit secretions, and EST, found in female urine).[60][61][62]
Finger length ratios between the index and ring fingers may be different between non-gay and lesbian women.[55][63][64][65][66][67]
Gay men and lesbians are significantly more likely to be left-handed or ambidextrous than are non-gay men and women;[68][69][70] Simon LeVay argues that because “[h]and preference is observable before birth[71]… [t]he observation of increased non-right-handness in gay people is therefore consistent with the idea that sexual orientation is influenced by prenatal processes,” perhaps heredity.

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. And I’m only going to elaborate on the gay issue ONCE because those who don’t want to listen just won’t: 96 percent of Americans have pre-marital sex, according to the Orlando Sentinel, and yet in the SAME LINE in Corinthians that condemns Christianity, fornication too is condoned. I am gay, and I’m also a very compassionate individual who does his best to better the world and his family. I WOULD NEVER wish my any of my family harm, even the people who have mistreated and slandered me. And if God is loving, neither will he for loving “abstractly.”

Additional Biological PROOF homosexuality is natural:

utexas.edu/courses/bio301…/Gay/Text.html

The American Psychiatric Association hasn’t considered homosexuality a mental illness SINCE 1971. Every single homophobic person here needs to actual READ the aabove, and thus get themselves in-check. It is ridiculous! Instead of fucising on this, reading the beatitudes of Jesus Christ!
guardian.co.uk/science/20…nce.psychology

Hi BluntJoey,

As a follower of Christ, I believe that our mission on earth is to get to heaven. Also, it is, in charity, to help others who may be stumbling to get on the path to their heavenly home.
We are on this earth for a short time and ultimately, it will be a dismal failure if we don’t get to heaven.

As Catholics, we believe that engaging in homosexual activities is a serious sin. It is an abuse of the reproductive and unitive faculty that God gave to his creatures. To accept your premise that biological alterations somehow justify the behavior is absurd. Again, we cannot accept the behavior and care about your soul, it is simply a contradiction.

Many people are afflicted with tendencies to behave badly. Some are innate and others are sociologically influenced. Still, God gave us a free will to choose to follow Him. Instead of trying to force others to buy into your weak argument and respond to your accusations regarding a lack of empathy on the part of the readers, perhaps, you would do well to spend some time before the Blessed Sacrament and ask our Lord what he wants you to do.

Rest assured, you are in my prayers as I believe that God has given you a rather large cross. May God bless you always…

 

[almightyservant]

We still would like to know your intention for this thread. Are you simply trying to prove that being homosexual is to be accepted because it is biological or natural? If that is the case, this is what I have to say, and none of this is to be taken personally. It is simply my case against yours, not you. Please remember, that we Catholics love all people, what we hate is the homosexual lifestyle.

My argument: Not all things biological are good.
Mistakes occur in nature (e.g. people born with extra or missing chromosomes)
Not all genes are good (e.g. genes that predispose people to cancer)
Biological insults (e.g. viri, pathogenic bacterium, parasites)
Etc.

Feel free to correct me if I made any mistake. The subject of biology has mostly been purged from my brain after a standard 3 yrs post graduation.
-Martin

 

[fix]

We still would like to know your intention for this thread. Are you simply trying to prove that being homosexual is to be accepted because it is biological or natural? If that is the case, this is what I have to say, and none of this is to be taken personally. It is simply my case against yours, not you. Please remember, that we Catholics love all people, what we hate is the homosexual lifestyle.

My argument: Not all things biological are good.
Mistakes occur in nature (e.g. people born with extra or missing chromosomes)
Not all genes are good (e.g. genes that predispose people to cancer)
Biological insults (e.g. viri, pathogenic bacterium, parasites)
Etc.

Feel free to correct me if I made any mistake. The subject of biology has mostly been purged from my brain after a standard 3 yrs post graduation.
-Martin

You correct. God ordained male and female. We live in a fallen world. I have no idea how science can ever prove what is moral or immoral.

 

[Kristopher]

… PROOF being gay is biological: …

I am not a homosexual, contrary to popular opinions concerning those who are either Catholic or Christian, but I was born into a family at the time, of two parents, and later found myself with a sibling. My parents divorced. Neither were Catholic, nor were they practicing contraception as I understand. I have a certain amount of anxieties in life, because I was abandoned as a child, hence, the divorce granted to my mother by a MN court. The abandonment was reasonable, in terms, that Catholics will separate from each other–it would have been a reasonable separation between married persons in a Catholic marriage.

A book was published in the 1950’s, and I may be incorrect about the title, but I believe it is the following: “Sins of the Parents”. Contraception was established as a cause of homosexuality. Since the act of procreation, is abstract: reduced either to eroticism, or hedonism, or both eroticism and hedonism, a nervous condition may result in the progeny of those with a practice, of contraception, and belief in it. Modelling such attitudes and behaviors might, or do, contribute to a nervous condition, which orients, sexually, a person toward the same-sex.

The Catehcism of the Catholic Church puts forward, that homosexuality is not well understood, but does recognize it as gravely disordered, which it is gravely disordered, as is the use of contraception–by-and-large, not in all cases I suspect, but in general.

Homosexuality is recognized as an abomination, something which God hates, because it is contrary in a scriptural context, to what God loved so much in giving to people, the ability to have chiidren, that they might be raised to love God. When families are controlled to limit population growth for any number of different reasons, the effect / affect on children, can be quite devastating, (It seems easy to assume, and conclude this cogently.), because faith in God is lost, that the means to provide, and educate children, for family, and love of God, is being destroyed.

I think, that in this context, what is taught by the Catholic Church, can allow room for any reasonable person to be empathetic, and sympathetic, with parents, particularly or especially Catholic parent(s), that witness their children either becoming, or being, homosexuals, because it is such a loss to the Faith, in terms of children being born into the world for the love of God.

Whether or not there is an issue at this thread, with forum rules, due to a lack of respect, concerning Catholics, their beliefs and teachings: I do not know, but to advance your own personal agenda in opposition to Catholic teaching, and Catholicism, might be advancing a bit close to a violation of forum rules, and whatever agreement you gave, as you joined this site. Maybe we both ought to review the forum rules, and our agreement to be members of this site.

I do find, that there is some offense in you, telling myself and others, that I must adhere to evidences you find, that demand or suggest, or leave you with the conclusion, that I must give it up homophobia, or simply adopt what ever behaviors you demand must be accepted, and followed, because some scientific data on the matter has been obtained, which may contain either credible facts, or an incredulous conclusion(s).

It might be a significant correlation among populations of homosexuals, might be found among parents, whom practiced contraception, and had either one, or two children. There was a time in India, I believe, that contraception, herbally, was popularly ingested and consequently, many homosexuals populated, that nation, with the effect / affect, that it gained considerable acceptance.

 

[Newbie2]

Hi BluntJoey,

As a follower of Christ, I believe that our mission on earth is to get to heaven. Also, it is, in charity, to help others who may be stumbling to get on the path to their heavenly home.
We are on this earth for a short time and ultimately, it will be a dismal failure if we don’t get to heaven.

As Catholics, we believe that engaging in homosexual activities is a serious sin. It is an abuse of the reproductive and unitive faculty that God gave to his creatures. To accept your premise that biological alterations somehow justify the behavior is absurd. Again, we cannot accept the behavior and care about your soul, it is simply a contradiction.

Many people are afflicted with tendencies to behave badly. Some are innate and others are sociologically influenced. Still, God gave us a free will to choose to follow Him. Instead of trying to force others to buy into your weak argument and respond to your accusations regarding a lack of empathy on the part of the readers, perhaps, you would do well to spend some time before the Blessed Sacrament and ask our Lord what he wants you to do.

Rest assured, you are in my prayers as I believe that God has given you a rather large cross. May God bless you always…

Good post, C.

It’s tempting to dismiss the OP as a troll, and I do have my suspicions…wouldn’t be surprised to see “PROOF that Jesus himself was gay”. It didn’t take long for the homophobe/hate card to be played, did it?

But I’m taken aback at how some people take such “scientific” evidence as…pardon the pun…gospel truth. Some people will believe any sort of tripe gussied up as science…science the Almighty.

 

[DMarcil]

I don’t have time to negate St. Paul [which I can easily do] considering he heavily contradicted Jesus in a number of ways; not to mention that he never ONCE in the Bible said that you had to be a Christian to get to heaven, nor that gay people are terrible.
I will eventually post my essay on Paul and Moses. I wouldn’t be here unless I had belief in Catholics as intellectual beings, so here is PROOF being gay is biological:

Physiological
Recent studies have found notable differences between the physiology of gay people and non-gay people. There is evidence that:

Gay men have similar brains to those of straight women and gay women to those of straight men [48]
The average size of the INAH-3 in the brains of gay men is approximately the same size as INAH 3 in women, which is significantly smaller, and the cells more densely packed [women use their bra(name removed by moderator)ower more efficiently], than in heterosexual men’s brains.[5]
The suprachiasmatic nucleus was found by Swaab and Hopffman to be larger in gay men than in non-gay men,[49] the suprachiasmatic nucleus is also known to be larger in men than in women.[50]
The anterior commissure is larger in women than men and was reported to be larger in gay men than in non-gay men,[51] but a subsequent study found no such difference.[52]
Gay men report, on an average, slightly longer and thicker penises than non-gay men.[53]
Gay men’s brains respond differently to fluoxetine, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.[54]
The functioning of the inner ear and the central auditory system in lesbians and bisexual women are more like the functional properties found in men than in non-gay women (the researchers argued this finding was consistent with the prenatal hormonal theory of sexual orientation).[55]
The startle response (eyeblink following a loud sound) is similarly masculinized in lesbians and bisexual women.[56]
Three regions of the brain (medial prefrontal cortex, left hippocampus, and right amygdala) are more active in gay men than non-gay men when exposed to sexually arousing material.[57]
Gay and non-gay people emit different armpit odors.[58]
Gay men are more likely to have a counter-clockwise hair whorl pattern.[59]
Gay and non-gay people’s brains respond differently to two human sex pheromones (AND, found in male armpit secretions, and EST, found in female urine).[60][61][62]
Finger length ratios between the index and ring fingers may be different between non-gay and lesbian women.[55][63][64][65][66][67]
Gay men and lesbians are significantly more likely to be left-handed or ambidextrous than are non-gay men and women;[68][69][70] Simon LeVay argues that because “[h]and preference is observable before birth[71]… [t]he observation of increased non-right-handness in gay people is therefore consistent with the idea that sexual orientation is influenced by prenatal processes,” perhaps heredity.

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. And I’m only going to elaborate on the gay issue ONCE because those who don’t want to listen just won’t: 96 percent of Americans have pre-marital sex, according to the Orlando Sentinel, and yet in the SAME LINE in Corinthians that condemns Christianity, fornication too is condoned. I am gay, and I’m also a very compassionate individual who does his best to better the world and his family. I WOULD NEVER wish my any of my family harm, even the people who have mistreated and slandered me. And if God is loving, neither will he for loving “abstractly.”

Additional Biological PROOF homosexuality is natural:

utexas.edu/courses/bio301…/Gay/Text.html

The American Psychiatric Association hasn’t considered homosexuality a mental illness SINCE 1971. Every single homophobic person here needs to actual READ the aabove, and thus get themselves in-check. It is ridiculous! Instead of fucising on this, reading the beatitudes of Jesus Christ!
guardian.co.uk/science/20…nce.psychology

Arguing that being gay is natural has nothing to do with anything. We, as Catholics (Christians, to be more general) are to live spiritual lives, not lives of the flesh. Just because everyone is out there living life in the flesh, doesn’t justify that kind of behavior, whether homosexual or heterosexual.

 

[DennisTate]

I don’t have time to negate St. Paul [which I can easily do] considering he heavily contradicted Jesus in a number of ways; not to mention that he never ONCE in the Bible said that you had to be a Christian to get to heaven, nor that gay people are terrible.
I will eventually post my essay on Paul and Moses. I wouldn’t be here unless I had belief in Catholics as intellectual beings, so here is PROOF being gay is biological:

Hi BluntJoey: I’m a Hebraic Roots Universalist Christian Mystic myself, so I can’t speak for Catholics but Since 1990 my views on what the Bible really means has been profoundly affected by all the books and webpages that I read on the near death experience accounts. Jeremiah stated something to the effect of //in the latter days you shall consider it perfectly.//

I personally regard most near death experience accounts as being similar to a few chapters from Jeremiah, Ezekiel or Isaiah or one of the minor prophets like Hosea or Zechariah. I came to the conclusion that the NDE’s are real. I agree both with the Bible as well as with this following revelation shown to Mr. Christian Andreason during his extensive near death experience.

“If this world was to ever find out just a small amount of what sexually diverse (gay) people are here to do on this planet, there would never be one single wisecrack or hurtful remark made ever again. Instead there would be great respect! People who speak disrespectful things about people of this orientation … enact judgment, and do so from a place of unenlightenment, insecurity, ego and socially induced prejudice. Some may use mistranslated scriptures taught to them, not by the Holy Spirit … but by fear-filled human beings. Many will choose to sustain a Divinely unsupported satanic hate-based rage against these children of God, rather than using Love to bring understanding and healing between both peoples. Christ said, THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT IS THAT WE ARE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER! When people sling condemnation, judgment and bitterness at others, they are not practicing the great commandment. They are allowing their Souls to fall into darkness.”

(Christian Andreason)
near-death.com/andreason.html

In order to love God, we first must love ourselves. I must love myself and truly recognize that God loves me despite the fact that I am a non-practicing adulterer. I continually have problems with evil thoughts about women. I watched Girls Next Door twice last night. (My wife is away visiting her family in Ecuador). I know that this was wrong and a pretty serious sin for somebody who has been a Christian for over thirty years.

On the other hand one of the most powerfully led Christian psychologists that I have ever read a book by, Dr. Gary Smalley, admits that he also had a terrible time with these thoughts until a few years ago when God allowed him to have a heart attack and come to a whole new level of meditation on the Word of God!

I totally sympaticize with one half of the homosexual population. Lesbians! I am sure that if I had been born a woman I would be struggling with this problem as well! Oh wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from this body of death???

 

[Magnus467]

Hi BluntJoey: I’m a Hebraic Roots Universalist Christian Mystic myself, so I can’t speak for Catholics but Since 1990 my views on what the Bible really means has been profoundly affected by all the books and webpages that I read on the near death experience accounts. Jeremiah stated something to the effect of //in the latter days you shall consider it perfectly.//

I personally regard most near death experience accounts as being similar to a few chapters from Jeremiah, Ezekiel or Isaiah or one of the minor prophets like Hosea or Zechariah. I came to the conclusion that the NDE’s are real. I agree both with the Bible as well as with this following revelation shown to Mr. Christian Andreason during his extensive near death experience.

(Christian Andreason)
near-death.com/andreason.html

In order to love God, we first must love ourselves. I must love myself and truly recognize that God loves me despite the fact that I am a non-practicing adulterer. I continually have problems with evil thoughts about women. I watched Girls Next Door twice last night. (My wife is away visiting her family in Ecuador). I know that this was wrong and a pretty serious sin for somebody who has been a Christian for over thirty years.

On the other hand one of the most powerfully led Christian psychologists that I have ever read a book by, Dr. Gary Smalley, admits that he also had a terrible time with these thoughts until a few years ago when God allowed him to have a heart attack and come to a whole new level of meditation on the Word of God!

I totally sympaticize with one half of the homosexual population. Lesbians! I am sure that if I had been born a woman I would be struggling with this problem as well! Oh wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from this body of death???

Again, we do not hate homosexuals!!! If you believe the Bible is true then how do you reconcile with the verses that say homosexual behavior is wrong. The last part of your post perplexes me.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

So what is your goal here? If I show you that pedophilia is biological, would you support the right of a pedophile to have sex with children? If I show you that the tendency to murder is biological, would you support murder?

What is the significance of your claims with regard to the faith?

Peace

Tim

Great points, good post, Tim. I’ve made this same argument in letters to the editor in the local paper. There are wacko pseudo-psychiatrist ‘geniuses’ that claim pedophilia is actually innate and natural, biologically-ordained. If that were the case, following this line of argument, you’d be right! What if there’s a rape gene? And a Hitler racism gene? Where does it stop with the nature over nurture argument? Good post.

 

[yellowbicycle]

Now I’M confused!
I am opposed to gay marriage.
I regard homosexual acts, and fornication, and adultery, and all sorts of other acts, as sinful, and just all around bad ideas.
I’m catholic and agree with and support the teachings of the church.
And, apparently, this makes me homophobic? Like AFRAID of gay people? What would I be afraid of?
Has anyone told my gay friends that I’m afraid of them?
They might be taken aback by the news.

Dang.
And I was supposed to go play bingo with a bunch of my gay friends on Wednesday! And now, apparently, I can’t because I’m a homophobe.
They’ll be disappointed. I just crocheted Colin a dauber bag and it took forever! I would have made a toilet paper cozy or something if I had known I was a homophobe.

 

[wcknight]

Although I have a niece who is gay and I love her dearly, I NEVER ever want to see gay marriages adopted by the Church.

I don’t see how gay being biological makes it right. Maybe you think it gives you an excuse for gay behavior, but it still contradicts both Church teaching and scriptures.

Just because 97% of adolescents or young adults engage in sin does not make it any less sinful. Even IF 100% of folks were prone to commit a paricular mortal sin, that would not make that sin no longer a sin. There is no blanket amnesty for sins that are particularly problematic or more frequently committed.

There is no propularity contest between types of sins. Folks who commit fornication are still required to repent and avoid those sins. I can’t say, it’s okay for me to lie or cheat, just because the majority of folks are already doing it.

The official Church teaching on homosexuality is that you are to avoid homosexual acts. I know that is an extremely difficult ideal to live up to. It’s great that you are a caring, law biding person, but Jesus asks us to be much more than that. I’m sure your life’s journey will be much more difficult than a heterosexuals, especially if you want to abide by the Church’s teachings. May God bless you and help you on your way.