Homosexual activists plan protest at San Francisco’s oldest Catholic Church on Good Friday

[Brendan]

Wouldn’t prevention be better than relief? Oh wait… condoms aren’t allowed. I forgot, silly me. LOL.

Chastity is, while condoms only delay infection.

So yes, prevention IS allowed. it’s even highly encouraged, by the Catholic Church at least, most other organizations don’t really care for TRUE prevention and push condoms instead.

 

[scipio337]

My mother is gay… she has had two children (one of which is me. lol)… what if gay people have had children, later realised they are gay (as with my Mum)… shouldn’t they have the right to marry those they love? Especially if they have already had children? Although, honestly… marriage is a religious affair, I’m not sure why anyone who is not a Christian would really want to… seems a bit odd that a non-christian would want to be married… maybe for the legal benefits… I don’t really see why, myself… but still, if they wanted to, shouldn’t they have the same rights? We are all human…

Because a marriage of two people of the same sex would not be considered a “sacramental” marriage in the Church.

I can only direct you to the Catechism, Article 7:

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c3a7.htm

And Pope Leo XIII’s Arcanum on the Sacrament of Matrimony for more understandingon the Catholic view of marriage:

vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_10021880_arcanum_en.html

That being said, I’m appalled by the acts of these hateful radicals. May God remove the hatred from their hearts, the scales from their eyes, and keep the San Francisco Archdiocese strong in faith.

 

[JRKH]

My mother is gay… she has had two children (one of which is me. lol)… what if gay people have had children, later realised they are gay (as with my Mum)… shouldn’t they have the right to marry those they love? Especially if they have already had children?

Although, honestly… marriage is a religious affair, I’m not sure why anyone who is not a Christian would really want to… seems a bit odd that a non-christian would want to be married… maybe for the legal benefits… I don’t really see why, myself… but still, if they wanted to, shouldn’t they have the same rights? We are all human…

In a very real sense, the second part of your post above answers the first part, specially as it applies to the relationship between the Church and the secular world. In particular it demonstrates my point earlier about how the Church’s position on the use of Condoms should be of no concern at all to those who are not Catholic. So why is the homosexual community up in arms over this? It makes no sense.

However - to address the first part of your post…If your mother is a professing Catholic then the answer is no she does not have the right to act on the SSA (Same Sex Attraction) urge. Simply put, by professing to be Catholic, one is suppose to profess and to live the teachings of the Church because these teachings are received from Christ our King through the Holy Spirit of God.

You ask why should she not be with the one she loves…Well, she can be - but not sexually and not in a ersatz “marriage”. Do not confuse, “Love” with “Lust”.
English, especially today’s English uses the single term “love” to cover a broad spectrum of things that in the original Greek, different terms were used.
That said, whether speaking in modern terms or ancient ones, the great commandment is that we Love one another - That we love our neighbor as ourselves. (Mt 22:36-40).
So how do we love ourselves? Most people want the highest good for themselves, which in the case of the believer, the highest good is to attain heaven.
So if we Love our neighbor as ourselves, we must wish the highest good for them as well and that means we wish them to get to heaven too.
Believing this, We do not enter into sin nor do we help others to enter into sin.

Thus, if a person has SSA, and is Catholic, they must resist the urge to sin AND, if there is another to whom they are particularly attracted (Love), they will NOT sin with them because their love prevents them.

Do you understand what I’m getting at?

Peace
James

 

[rmills1]

“The Catholic Church is still to blame”
Homosexual activists say they will descend today on San Francisco’s oldest Catholic Church for Good Friday protest

Today at 5:30 p.m. members of “ACT UP” and other anti-Catholic groups have announced they will descend on San Francisco’s Mission Dolores Church and place ashes from AIDS victims on the landmark church’s steps to protest what they claim is the complicity of the Catholic Church in the deadly epidemic.

Mission Dolores was founded on June 29, 1776, the feast of Saints Peter and Paul, by Franciscan friars under the leadership of the Fr. Francisco Palou and the direction of Fr. Junipero Serra. It is the oldest Catholic church in the Archdiocese of San Francisco, and the oldest building in San Francisco. In addition, the mission is “the oldest original intact Mission in California,” according to the church’s website. The parish includes Mission Dolores Basilica and the Old Mission.

An event listing on the LGBTQI/Queer page of San Francisco’s IndyBay Media, a radical leftist website, reads, in part:

“The march will link the issues of gentrification and lack of affordable housing faced by people with HIV/AIDS and our communities today by starting at Wells Fargo, a major profiteer of the housing crisis. The march will continue to the steps of Mission Dolores Church, marking Good Friday and protesting the Catholic Church’s continued role of condemning people to die of AIDS globally and repression of sexual freedom and health here at home – by blocking access to condoms, and restricting access to reproductive health and abortion. Ashes of those who died during the epidemic in SF will be placed on the steps of Dolores Church… Its [sic] 25 years since we started ACT UP and the Catholic Church is still to blame.”

ACT UP (which stands for AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power) began in 1987, and has regularly targeted the Catholic Church. In December 1989, thousands of ACT UP protestors disrupted Mass at St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York over the archdiocese’s position against the distribution of condoms and its opposition to abortion – themes echoed in ACT UP San Francisco’s planned activities today at Mission Dolores.

Ironically, the Catholic Church in San Francisco was the first and best responder to the city’s AIDS epidemic. Moreover, the availability of condoms does not seem to correspond with HIV infection rates. The most recent study from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control shows that 61% of new HIV infections are among homosexual men – about 2% of the population of the United States. The CDC study also showed that the only group in which new HIV infections are increasing is among young homosexual men – a group not known for following the teachings of the Catholic Church. What abortion has to do with the AIDS epidemic is unclear.

Mission Dolores Church is located two blocks from Mission Dolores Park, which, for the past decade, has also been the site of the infamous Easter Sunday “Hunky Jesus” contest – an event where the “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence” mock the passion and death of Jesus Christ.

ACT UP says that, since the AIDS epidemic began, almost 20,000 San Francisco residents have lost their lives to the disease – and another 16,000 are living with the illness today.

“This Good Friday we will mourn our dead and fight like hell for the living here in San Francisco and around the world," says the ACT UP announcement.

calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=1b643201-c16c-4eb2-b280-3288c39ae57a

http://calcatholic.com/newsimages/MissionDolores040612.jpg

“Forgive them Father for they do not know what they are doing.”-Luke 23:34

 

[MacBP]

Although I understand the rationale behind holding this march on Good Friday, I can’t help but feel that it would be better placed on another day. There is a time and a place, and such a protest is unlikely to change the hearts or minds of anyone involved.

Wouldn’t prevention be better than relief? Oh wait… condoms aren’t allowed. I forgot, silly me. LOL.

The Catholic Church forbids drug abuse, sex outside of marriage, and sex when one spouse has a STI. If everyone in the world adopted the Church’s teachings most STD’s would eradicated in a very short time frame. All of this without the use of condoms. If people only partially follow the Church’s advice and contract or spread an STI, can you blame the Church for its members disobedience?

 

[MarcoPolo]

Saying the Church is “blocking access to condoms” is like saying a dentist is blocking access to eye care.

 

[incense]

This is obviously a political move to support Obamacare and the HHS mandate. They’re trying to link “healthcare” and the Catholic Church, as in the Catholic Church is responsible for AIDS death because they won’t supply condoms.

It didn’t work with the women, trying to convince them the Church is trying to take away their contraception devices/chemicals. Will it work for the homosexuals? I dont’ think they’re that stupid, but they might go along because they’ll realize it’s really a political ploy to support Obama.

Who is the oppressed here? The Catholics. And, who are the oppressors here? The homosexual protestors. And yet, they’ll try so hard to make themselves out as the oppressed.

 

[Farsight001]

I’m pretty sure there’s laws restricting when and where one can spread ashes.

 

[Dale_M]

I’m pretty sure there’s laws restricting when and where one can spread ashes.

I would think so too, particularly within city limits. However, the article didn’t say the ashes would be scattered. It said the ashes would be “placed.”

I guess we will find out in a matter of hours, but when you think of it, scattering the ashes doesn’t make sense. If you loved someone would you dump their ashes on a city street, to be walked on by strangers and washed into the sewers? Particularly, would you scatter your loved one’s final remains on the steps of an organization you consider to be the enemy?

 

[mantanz]

You ask why should she not be with the one she loves…Well, she can be - but not sexually and not in a ersatz “marriage”. Do not confuse, “Love” with “Lust”.

I take offense to that… who are you to say that my mother doesn’t love her partner? I have been with many women out of lust (some of them I regret, others I certainly do not)… those relationships never lasted more than a couple of hours… not ten years!

 

[Barb3]

Since I’m a native San Franciscan I thought I might add some comments – I can’t help but wonder if this protest will be covered in our local newspaper or our local TV news this afternoon – I’ll bet it won’t BUT if some priest did something wrong it would be on the FRONT page. The newspaper here is totally biased and I stopped taking it except on Sunday several years ago. Believe me when I say this, the gays have taken over the city. I was on the street car several years ago and there were many gays on the car – I was totally amazed a/c they were all over one another – kissing, hugging – you name it. I felt very strongly this is something private and shouldn’t be done on a street car – whther by gays or others.
Pray for them – the gays truly need our prayers!

 

[JRKH]

I take offense to that…

I apologize that I offended, it was not my intent - poor wording on my part I guess…

who are you to say that my mother doesn’t love her partner?

If you read the rest of my post with as much attention as the short section you quoted, perhaps you could point out to me where I said that your mother does not love her partner.

I have been with many women out of lust (some of them I regret, others I certainly do not)… those relationships never lasted more than a couple of hours… not ten years!

This being the case, I’m sure that you can recognize that lust (an emotion of strong natural desire) can be quite different from a Love that is deep and abiding…a Love where one would rather die themselves than to put the other in harms way.

NOTE - Just for clarity of conversation, are you or your mother Baptized Christians?

Peace
James

 

[Armyvet007]

Wouldn’t prevention be better than relief? Oh wait… condoms aren’t allowed. I forgot, silly me. LOL.

Dr. Edward C. Green, director of the AIDS Prevention Research Project at the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, told National Review Online last week that despite AIDS activists and media outlets pounding the pope for downplaying the effectiveness of condoms, the science actually supports the Catholic leader’s claim.

wnd.com/2009/03/92702

Science supports the idea that abstaining from sex is actually better at preventing contraction of HIV/AIDS then using a condom.

 

[JRKH]

Dr. Edward C. Green, director of the AIDS Prevention Research Project at the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, told National Review Online last week that despite AIDS activists and media outlets pounding the pope for downplaying the effectiveness of condoms, the science actually supports the Catholic leader’s claim.

wnd.com/2009/03/92702

Science supports the idea that abstaining from sex is actually better at preventing contraction of HIV/AIDS then using a condom.

And cheaper too…

Peace
James

 

[Dale_M]

Here is an account from a Catholic blogger who was at the protest.

The group had said they planned to arrive at the church at 5:30 PM. By 5PM there were already at least 15 officers from the SFPD standing in front of the Mission Dolores Basilica and the Old Mission, built in 1776, which is immediately adjacent to the south. Police had installed crowd control barriers in the gutters to prevent protesters from reaching the sidewalk. The barricades prevented the anti-Catholics from their stated aim: to place the ashes of a man who died from AIDS on the Church stairs.

At 5:10 PM a squad of about 8-10 police motorcycles appeared on the northbound lane of Dolores Street, and the chants of about 80 anti-Catholics became audible “(bleep) the Church.” The anti-Catholics were led by three or four apparent members of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. The group crossed Dolores Street’ grassy median strip, and moved to the southbound lane, in front of the Mission Basilica.

As they prepared to scatter his ashes, I was the only man in the crowd to remove his hat (or, in the case of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, headdresses) out of respect for the dead. They threw the ashes over the crowd control barriers, toward the stairs of the Mission Basilica, but San Francisco’s normal late afternoon wind immediately dispersed them in all directions.

By 5:36 PM, the protest was over. The anti-Catholics marched west on 16th Street, towards the Castro District, chanting “(Bleep) the Church, we don’t need ‘em, all we want is total freedom.”

johnmalloysdb.blogspot.com/2012/04/mission-dolores-protest-fizzles.html

Good Friday Mass was celebrated at its regularly scheduled time, 6:30 PM

BTW, I guess I was wrong to think the protesters wouldn’t scatter the cremains. It seems poor judgment to me, but I suppose protests often are driven by emotion rather than reason.

 

[JRKH]

Here is an account from a Catholic blogger who was at the protest.

johnmalloysdb.blogspot.com/2012/04/mission-dolores-protest-fizzles.html

Good Friday Mass was celebrated at its regularly scheduled time, 6:30 PM

BTW, I guess I was wrong to think the protesters wouldn’t scatter the cremains. It seems poor judgment to me, but I suppose protests often are driven by emotion rather than reason.

Thanks for the follow-up. It appears that the vast majority in the “opposition” agree with the idea of “poor judgement” since their were only about 80 protesters.

I thought the last part you quoted was quite interesting with the protesters chanting…
By 5:36 PM, the protest was over. The anti-Catholics marched west on 16th Street, towards the Castro District, chanting “(Bleep) the Church, we don’t need ‘em, all we want is total freedom.”
Isn’t it great that they live in a country where they don’t HAVE to join the Church or do what the Church says?
So - it makes me wonder why they have so much fear and hatred for something that they don’t HAVE to pay attention to.

Anyway - I’m glad that things went off peacefully.

Peace
James

 

[Barb3]

I just checked our San Francisco newspaper the"Chronicle" (definitely on-line because I don’t subscribe to it because it is so biased) and I didn’t see one word about the protest.

 

[prettiefly]

The original website that posted this artcle has the update as to what actually happened:

Good communication between the Archdiocese of San Francisco and the San Francisco Police Department thwarted plans by a contingent of anti-Catholic protesters to place the ashes of a man who died from AIDS on the steps of Mission Dolores Parish on Good Friday.

The protesters – led by the militant homosexual group ACT UP – had announced they planned to arrive at the church at 5:30 p.m. A half hour before the scheduled arrival of the protesters, there were already at least 15 officers from the SFPD standing in front of the Mission Dolores Basilica and the Old Mission, which is immediately adjacent to the south.

Police installed crowd control barriers in the gutters to prevent protestors from reaching the sidewalk, which made it impossible for the protesters to reach the steps to place the ashes. Instead, they threw the ashes over the crowd control barriers toward the stairs of the Mission Basilica, but San Francisco’s normal late afternoon wind immediately dispersed the ashes in all directions.

At 5:10 p.m. a squad of about eight to 10 police motorcycles appeared on the northbound lane of Dolores Street, and the chants of about 80 anti-Catholics became audible “(bleep) the Church.” The anti-Catholics were led by three or four apparent members of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence – men in drag dressed in mock nuns’ habits that ridicule Catholic women religious. The group crossed Dolores Street’s grassy median strip, and moved to the southbound lane, in front of the Mission Basilica.

The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence offered their standard list of grievances against the Church: its opposition to abortion, contraception, and same-sex adoptions, the child sex abuse scandal, and Archbishop George Niederauer’s defense of natural marriage.

The rest of the article:
calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=d8ff33e8-176d-4aa1-832f-240958f5a981

http://calcatholic.com/newsimages/DoloresProtest040912.jpg

 

[latin_rite]

they will descend on San Francisco’s Mission Dolores Church and place ashes from AIDS victims on the landmark church’s steps

Good. Now that their remains have made it home to God. They might be able to finaly find true peace.

 

[anp1215]

Because the Catholic Church forced them to have sex, right?