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truagape
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Like your remarks in post #20.
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sawman
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Look just because I can’t understand your hints doesn’t mean I’m ignorant.Just because I don’t agree doesn’t mean I’m ignorant.Your theone who seems to be fixed on the injustice of it all.Sexually,I mean.
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truagape
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Again I will ask you: How would you feel if someone forced you to remain unweded and celibate?
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sawman
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About the same as I would being forced to be wed and chaste.There was a time in my life when I was unwed and celibate too due to circumstances beyond my control.The requirement is the same.Live chastely.It is and was difficult to do.You’re acting like it is something special.
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truagape
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And then what happened, you became straight? Or you fall in love. Which happened first?
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sawman
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Let’s get one thing STRIAGHT Ok? I’ve never been or ever will be inclined to homosexuality.As to my"forced" cleibacy,after some reflection I felt called to a married state,and yes,I had fallen in love with my wife.
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truagape
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YOU JUST MADE MY POINT, and yet I don’t even think you realize it!
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New_Yorker
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To some extent, it is about sex, but sex is larger than just sexual acts. Sex is a wonderful thing (between married persons of the opposite sex). Pope John Paul II delivered a series of lectures and sermons about the Theology of the Body. Christopher West has CD’s, DVD’s, and books about this, as do others.
To Catholics, sex is part of the Divine and Natural Law. It is the ONLY relationship that can naturally create children - one man and one woman. Our sexual organs have a purpose - to procreate. Our marriage has a purpose - the procreation and education of children. So, heterosexual sex within marriage fulfills these purposes. It demonstrates the nuptial meaning of the body.
Homosexual sex is a misnomer because it is not and can NEVER be procreative. Thus, it is always prohibited.
God created us as male and female for a reason. Through sex, we use our complementary sexual organs in a manner consistent with the purpose of mankind and marriage. Sex isn’t something dirty. Instead, it’s a wonderful earthly expression of who we are and how we are designed. It’s part of God’s Plan.
While homosexual orientation is not sinful, homosexual acts are. So are certain heterosexual acts and ALL sexual acts outside of marriage, and all contracepted sexual acts.
So, it is largely about sex, but sex is about God, how He created us, and the nuptial meaning of the body.
“Be fruitful and multiply.”
To Catholics, sex is part of the Divine and Natural Law. It is the ONLY relationship that can naturally create children - one man and one woman. Our sexual organs have a purpose - to procreate. Our marriage has a purpose - the procreation and education of children. So, heterosexual sex within marriage fulfills these purposes. It demonstrates the nuptial meaning of the body.
Homosexual sex is a misnomer because it is not and can NEVER be procreative. Thus, it is always prohibited.
God created us as male and female for a reason. Through sex, we use our complementary sexual organs in a manner consistent with the purpose of mankind and marriage. Sex isn’t something dirty. Instead, it’s a wonderful earthly expression of who we are and how we are designed. It’s part of God’s Plan.
While homosexual orientation is not sinful, homosexual acts are. So are certain heterosexual acts and ALL sexual acts outside of marriage, and all contracepted sexual acts.
So, it is largely about sex, but sex is about God, how He created us, and the nuptial meaning of the body.
“Be fruitful and multiply.”
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sawman
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So your gripe is about sex.The homosexual can’t legitimately have a sexual relationship with another because of chastity.How is this such a special case?homosexuals have to be chaste.What a low blow.No one has such burdens.Sounds to me like you need to grow up,and deal with life.God gives us all the grace to do it .I’m sorry if the plight of the homosexual doesn’t stop my presses.I mean “life is hard” just doesn’t sound like areal complaint.
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truagape
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There are some statmens that you present that are unavoidably true. Some that you oversimplify. And others that are just plain wrong. And I pray that overtime, a sense of clarity will prevail on this issue of homosexuality and scripture. Until then, I will challenge the untruth every chance i get.
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New_Yorker
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Can you be more specific about what you believe is wrong in my post?
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truagape
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I think I’ll take the advice you offered earlier. For the time being, I’ll just ignore you.
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john_ennis
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But aren’t there surely people who do not marry–not because they choose not to, but because they find no one they wish to marry or who wishes to marry them.
God calls them to be celibate, even if they’d rather marry.
It’s certainly plausible that those with same-sex attraction, and no heterosexual attraction, are called to a similar sacrifice.
Peace.
John
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truagape
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That’s something all Christians have to face, gay or straight. The difference is, unlike straight Christians, they aren’t forced to by pass that person once they find them. Yet that’s exactly what some insit on others because of their orientation. I and the scriptures have a problem with that.
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sawman
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Living in Christ is a requirement of all christians.The life of the Holy Spirit is full of grace.In Christ we put away all sexual impurity,among other things.We are given enlightenment so that we might see with new eyes and minds.I am truly sorry that some of us are strangers to the Truth and Love Power of God.
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truagape
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Finally something I can agree with you on!
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john_ennis
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Individuals are indeed forced to be celibate, if they find no one to marry. Think of the ones who really can’t, simply because no one will marry them. There are such people.
The fact that these are individuals, not a category, as some might think of homosexuals, doesn’t make the sacrifice any easier.
I don’t see how it makes it any more objectionable or non-scriptural either.
Peace.
John
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Kolbe300
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Truagape,
First of all, I understand your struggle. It isn’t an easy cross to bear, as is the case with any cross. I think, however, that you may be looking at celibacy as a prison sentence, rather than what it truly can be. No one, not even a homosexual is “forced” to be unwed and celibate. I believe those with a homosexual orientation, like myself, are being asked by God to love in a different way rather than being “forced” to deny themselves love.
It may be a difficult thing to accept and realize, but one must imagine that God knows best. I’m pretty sure you disagree with the Church’s teaching and I have sympathy for that. It isn’t an easy thing. I’d like to offer my perspective though. I don’t look at celibacy as a prison sentence, nor do I look at it as the gift. What I see as the gift is the grace God provides me to live celibately. The grace to be chaste is the gift.
I challenge you to ponder and pray about the possibility that God truly is asking (not forcing) something of you. And to think that maybe he is doing so with a smile on His face. Why? Because He knows better than you what will bring you true peace, true joy, and most importantly, true love. The greatest examples of love in the history of mankind have nothing to do with sex. Christ on the cross is the most intimate, passionate, and beautiful example of love ever shown. It is that kind of love that God offers and God asks for. God offers us the grace to be chaste, and in doing so will never deny us the greatest love ever imaginable.
I keep you and everyone dealing with this particular cross in my prayers. Have a great day.
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truagape
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Great. For you. And St. Paul for that matter. But how dare you ask that of me! If you’re content with your decision that’s good. And I’m content with mine. I am a 28 yr old single male who will remain so until I meet the guy of my dreams.
Yes I do disagree with the church, because it disagree’s with scripture.
And I don’t want your sympathy or your understanding, ironically it makes me very angry!
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john_ennis
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