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elt1956 said:
Excuse me. I thought Paul said if one couldn’t remain celebate, it was better to marry than to burn. ???:confused:
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He said that too. But he also said what I had quoted in my previous post as well.

But you raise an interesting point. If one can’t remain celebate, and they aren’t allowed to marry, then what?
 
truagape said:
He said that too. But he also said what I had quoted in my previous post as well.

But you raise an interesting point. If one can’t remain celebate, and they aren’t allowed to marry, then what?
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Then you are in BIIIIIIIIIIG trouble.😃
 
truagape said:
I’m not following exactly what you mean by “there”. But just to give u a bit of background about me: I am 28, celibate, never been kissed, never cuddled. Heck, I’ve never even been in a relationship. Ouch! (yea tell me about it). I was raised in a very loving and Christian home. From my youth onward my family has encouraged me to be an advid bible student. And till this day, I still am.

In regards to the “gay world” being “messed up”, any world outside the bounds of a relationship with Christ is messed up, this includes the “straight world” and everything in between. Gays, especially, have been brutalized in that the one and only hope for mankind, God, has even been used as a weapon against their own existence. Pile on the pain of being rejected by your family, society, and your congregations and you have an example of descrimination that dosen’t compare to anything in history! Throw in the fact that even God has rejected you, and you’re left with a battered community who believes that their only source of relief is to reject God himself. It is a shame, to say the least, that such “traditions of men” throughout the ages have sculpted scripture to serve as an unbearable weapon against our own brothers. By misuseing God’s word, many “Christians” have created a cause for “our brothers” to stumble. And as you clearly have observed, such manipulation is far from innocent! The “gay world”, as you refer to them as, needs to be set free. As does all of us! We need the truth, and above all we need Christ! And I will do everything within my power to play my part in this.
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Hello there. I have a question which I hope you won’t take offense to. You mentioned you had been rejected by your parents, congregation, etc. and of course you have felt that pain. What I am being nosy about is if you are able to remain celebate, why did you feel you needed to expose yourself to the pain of rejection by in today’s parlance, “coming out”? That is such an uk term, don’t you think? Thanks so much. 🙂
 
elt1956 said:
Hello there. I have a question which I hope you won’t take offense to. You mentioned you had been rejected by your parents, congregation, etc. and of course you have felt that pain. What I am being nosy about is if you are able to remain celebate, why did you feel you needed to expose yourself to the pain of rejection by in today’s parlance, “coming out”? That is such an uk term, don’t you think? Thanks so much. 🙂
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I wasn’t speaking from a 1st person perspective. I personally haven’t told my family (although I think they already know), or members of my congregation. In regards to exposing myself, the real need I have is in not hiding myself. Hiding takes far more effort.

I don’t like the term “coming out” either. I also don’t like the term “homosexual”. I’m human, and same-sex attraction is not my defination of me.
And you’re welcome!
 
truagape said:
I wasn’t speaking from a 1st person perspective. I personally haven’t told my family (although I think they already know), or members of my congregation. In regards to exposing myself, the real need I have is in not hiding myself. Hiding takes far more effort.

I don’t like the term “coming out” either. I also don’t like the term “homosexual”. I’m human, and same-sex attraction is not my defination of me.
And you’re welcome!
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Hello again. I owe you an apology. First, I shouldn’t have asked. Secondy if my nose had to take the place of my brain, I should have emailed you privately. I’m sorry, sorry, sorry.:crying: :crying: :
 
elt1956 said:
Hello again. I owe you an apology. First, I shouldn’t have asked. Secondy if my nose had to take the place of my brain, I should have emailed you privately. I’m sorry, sorry, sorry.:crying: :crying: :
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It’s okay really! I wasn’t offended in the slightest. I appreciate your sense of compasion and sensitivity on the matter! 🙂
 
truagape said:
Is this an example of the Christian values you said you possesed?
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No. But it did show that we were trying. This was completely out of the oridnary for gay couples. NO one waits a month in that community! Most guys have sex on the first or second date… And yet, my waiting a month is nothing to brag about. If waiting a month is considered quite an accomplishment in that community, then that community is absolutely ridiculous.
 
truagape said:
All of these examples of promiscuity, rampant sexcapades, threesomes, and other excessive and filthy practices are not befetting of a Christian, gay or straight. In a later post, you mentioned that the “gay world” is characteristic of such behavior. How common is it to find those in the “gay world” to have a belief in God, or to give importance to scripture?
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Not common at all. HOWEVER, I visited a gay church and after the service, I went to lunch with some of the members of the congregation. We discussed sexual ethics and what not. Guess what!!! They pretty much had the same attitude towards sex as did gays that don’t go to Church. My point is that, even with a so called Christian background, filthy behavior is still ingrained into the gay community. I am not saying this to be a jerk, but I am gay and I have been there. Anyone who claims otherwise is simply not willing to face the truth
 
truagape said:
If you really think this then you have no problem denying yourself marriage for life, or forcing yourself to be attracted to the same sex for life. I am sure you just can’t wait to get started! Right?
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I believe it is important for every Catholic to be open to the variety of vocations we have. I can say that when I was discerning my vocation, I was equally open to marriage, religious life and single life. I actually was very attracted to the idea of being a religious sister. I would really love to wear a habit! But, that was not God’s plan for me.

Truagape, marriage is not a quick fix to loneliness. Seriously, I am married, and I feel lonely often. Spouses cannot fill holes in each others’ hearts. I know romantic comedies would have everyone believe a spouse can do that 😛 , but only God can.

Marriage is not about long walks in the park and cuddling! It’s about loving each other even when you feel like you hate each other. It’s about 3 a.m. feedings, unsuccessful attempts at potty training and raising teenagers. It’s messy; just as living a celibate life is. It’s about the bad times and the sickness along with good times and health. It’s a vocation, and it is challenging.

Also, Christ does not want you to be ashamed. Who told you that you should be? The people on this message board don’t want you to feel ashamed either. We want you to be lifted up in holiness. Only the devil would want you to feel ashamed and feel that doing God’s will in your life is a burden.

God bless you.
 
East_and_West said:
Not common at all. HOWEVER, I visited a gay church and after the service, I went to lunch with some of the members of the congregation. We discussed sexual ethics and what not. Guess what!!! They pretty much had the same attitude towards sex as did gays that don’t go to Church. My point is that, even with a so called Christian background, filthy behavior is still ingrained into the gay community. I am not saying this to be a jerk, but I am gay and I have been there. Anyone who claims otherwise is simply not willing to face the truth
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Would you also say that most in the “gay world” have either rejected, or dismissed the existence of God?
 
ElizabethAnne said:
I believe it is important for every Catholic to be open to the variety of vocations we have. I can say that when I was discerning my vocation, I was equally open to marriage, religious life and single life. I actually was very attracted to the idea of being a religious sister. I would really love to wear a habit! But, that was not God’s plan for me.

Truagape, marriage is not a quick fix to loneliness. Seriously, I am married, and I feel lonely often. Spouses cannot fill holes in each others’ hearts. I know romantic comedies would have everyone believe a spouse can do that 😛 , but only God can.

Marriage is not about long walks in the park and cuddling! It’s about loving each other even when you feel like you hate each other. It’s about 3 a.m. feedings, unsuccessful attempts at potty training and raising teenagers. It’s messy; just as living a celibate life is. It’s about the bad times and the sickness along with good times and health. It’s a vocation, and it is challenging.
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Are you saying that you would be happier if you were single?
 
ElizabethAnne said:
Also, Christ does not want you to be ashamed. Who told you that you should be? The people on this message board don’t want you to feel ashamed either. We want you to be lifted up in holiness. Only the devil would want you to feel ashamed and feel that doing God’s will in your life is a burden.

God bless you.
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Im sorry but, when I see this response, and consider the fact that it’s in regards to homosexuality, it is such a contradiction to everything Evangelical Christianity and Catholicisim throughout the ages has ever represented concerning those with same-sex attraction. Why do you think some people feel the need to hide their sexualtiy, even from their family? Even from themselves? It’s because religion has done an incredible job of making such once feel ashamed beyond compare.
 
East_and_West said:
No. But it did show that we were trying. This was completely out of the oridnary for gay couples. NO one waits a month in that community! Most guys have sex on the first or second date… And yet, my waiting a month is nothing to brag about. If waiting a month is considered quite an accomplishment in that community, then that community is absolutely ridiculous.
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According to your posts, it’s wasn’t the “gay community” that had the Christian values. It was you. So how can you expect a community, whom you largely devoid of having Christians principles to be compared to someone, such as yourself, who claims to maintain such values? It’s unfortunate that you recognize the consequenses of using God as a weapon without realizing the need for truth people within that community so desprately need. It shouldn’t suprise you that a community which has been scripturely mistreated sees God and his word with disgust. The beauty of Christian principles was never given a chance to penetrate.
 
truagape said:
According to your posts, it’s wasn’t the “gay community” that had the Christian values. It was you. So how can you expect a community, whom you largely devoid of having Christians principles to be compared to someone, such as yourself, who claims to maintain such values? It’s unfortunate that you recognize the consequenses of using God as a weapon without realizing the need for truth people within that community so desprately need. It shouldn’t suprise you that a community which has been scripturely mistreated sees God and his word with disgust. The beauty of Christian principles was never given a chance to penetrate.
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After reading all nine pages of this thread, I have concluded that you are basically having a big old temper tantrum. Here is how I got there:
According to you:
  • Scripture is wrong. You, and others like you (in the minority) have been enlightened and know the true meaning of “arsenokoites”, a word you’ve been tossing around here on the forums, along with links to websites which “prove” that over 2,000 years of Judeo-Christian understanding (not to mention Muslim) is erroneous.
  • Catholic men and women with ssa who witness to you about their chastity and committment to their faith are all “misguided”. They haven’t learned the truth about “scripture”, as you have. Additionally, when they try to reach out to you in friendship, they are rebuked as irritating and offensive. Their character is called into question when they generously attempt to share their experience with you.
  • Heterosexual Christians who try to reach out to you and share about their own understanding of marriage are also rebuked and their sincerity is called into question.
    You are young. When I was 28, I was also knee deep in the lifestyle and desperately trying to defend it by pointlessly attempting to punch holes in the truth.
You asked:
Why do you think some people feel the need to hide their sexualtiy, even from their family? Even from themselves?
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It’s an excellent question but you jumped to your conclusion without adequate reflection.

Perhaps the reason people feel they need to hide their homosexual orientation (let’s not use the euphemisms, ok?) is because they know, in the deepest part of themselves, that it is a disordered inclination which, if acted upon, will put their eternal souls at risk. Perhaps they know that the compulsion to engage in unnatural sexual relations is not acceptable in society. On some level, where the conscience still lives and breathes, they may know that family members would not want this life for their children and that they themselves instinctively wish it were not so. Rather then strengthen their resolve and bolster their innate desire to overcome the compulsion to act on their ssa, our culture ENCOURAGES them, teaches them, and applauds them for announcing they are gay. And some of them as young as their early teens, before anyone could possibly know such a thing for sure.

I pray that your time here on CAF will soften your heart and strengthen your desire to walk with Christ. I pray that you will put aside your anger long enough to actually listen and learn.
 
truagape said:
Are you saying that you would be happier if you were single?
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I have found in my short years following Christ that I am happiest doing His will. If God had called me to be single, I would have found great joy in the vocation, because of Him.
truagape said:
Im sorry but, when I see this response, and consider the fact that it’s in regards to homosexuality, it is such a contradiction to everything Evangelical Christianity and Catholicisim throughout the ages has ever represented concerning those with same-sex attraction. Why do you think some people feel the need to hide their sexualtiy, even from their family? Even from themselves? It’s because religion has done an incredible job of making such once feel ashamed beyond compare.
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I cannot speak for Evangelical Christianity, only the Catholic Church. Perhaps same-sex attraction and the difficulty it presents to those who struggle with it was not as well understood in the past, but Church teaching is crystal clear: it is the sinful acts, not the attraction, that are wrong.

Shame is a natural reaction to sin; it is a call to repentance. Everyone feels ashamed at some point in their lives. People who feel shame when they have not sinned or continue to feel ashamed after they have been forgiven by God, are no longer having a natural reaction. God does not want them to feel ashamed; the evil one does. And the devil is more than happy to make everyone ashamed when they have done nothing wrong or after they have been forgiven.
 
truagape said:
Would you also say that most in the “gay world” have either rejected, or dismissed the existence of God?
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Actually no. Most gay men that I have run into maintain some belief in God. But remember, even the ones that I talked to at the gay Church i visited maintained the same lax sexual ethics that is characteristic of the gay community.
 
truagape said:
According to your posts, it’s wasn’t the “gay community” that had the Christian values. It was you. So how can you expect a community, whom you largely devoid of having Christians principles to be compared to someone, such as yourself, who claims to maintain such values? It’s unfortunate that you recognize the consequenses of using God as a weapon without realizing the need for truth people within that community so desprately need. It shouldn’t suprise you that a community which has been scripturely mistreated sees God and his word with disgust. The beauty of Christian principles was never given a chance to penetrate.
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EVEN the ones who were “Chrisitian” maintained the same lax sexual ethics of the rest of the community. And how can you say that I am using God as a weapon? I am GAY too!!! I just know that God wants what is best for us and, trust me, what the gay life style has to offer is not good for us at all.
 
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