Homosexual-Serenaded Bishop calls for new Ecumenical, Gay-Friendly "Vatican Council"

[Luigi_Daniele]

History has passed you over, sir.

 

[Musicadmirer]

This article gives all the more reason for us members of the laity to pray for our clergymen.

 

[CarlosMorales]

Rome snores while bishops like this get serenaded by homosexual choruses…

If I remember correctly, Cardinal Bernardin got away with the same.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Is it me? I am not sure what I see wrong with the article to be honest? I mean he is a bishop, put into place by Gods chosen shepherd, do we honestly think we know the full Truth of why God put him into position of influence?

and you think that God is the one calling for such a thing? or do you think that this man is being misguided?

you dont believe that our clergy is able to commit any sin?

 

[cyb]

Go to EWTN on Youtube and listen to today’s homily, addressing Chavez and the failure of many ‘Catholics’ to defend either the Pope or the Church.

Scary but riveting.

This homily left me uneasy, to be frank. I felt there was an attempt to transfer the guilt and failures of the clergy onto the lay people. Yes, we lay people must defend our faith, pray for our clergy, live our morals. However, it is because of a severe crisis in Church leadership (i.e. lack of authentic leadership) that we find ourselves in the mess we are in today. It is because of grave scandal caused by certain priests and bishops that the media are shining a spotlight on our religion - not because of scandal caused by lay people.

Fr. also made mention of the lay people wanting to run the church (I’m not quoting verbatim here) but then not stepping up to the plate when it comes to defending the faith. Well, it is the bishops and priests that ushered the laity into running many aspects of the Church. They have allowed the lay people to take over the Tabernacle, sanctuary, Communion distribution etc. etc. I blame the clergy for that; not all the lay peoplel that were happy to step in when the opportunity was handed to them. I enjoyed Father’s previous two sermons this week, but this one really bothered me.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

This homily left me uneasy, to be frank. I felt there was an attempt to transfer the guilt and failures of the clergy onto the lay people. Yes, we lay people must defend our faith, pray for our clergy, live our morals. However, it is because of a severe crisis in Church leadership (i.e. lack of authentic leadership) that we find ourselves in the mess we are in today. It is because of grave scandal caused by certain priests and bishops that the media are shining a spotlight on our religion - not because of scandal caused by lay people.

Fr. also made mention of the lay people wanting to run the church (I’m not quoting verbatim here) but then not stepping up to the plate when it comes to defending the faith. Well, it is the bishops and priests that ushered the laity into running many aspects of the Church. They have allowed the lay people to take over the Tabernacle, sanctuary, Communion distribution etc. etc. I blame the clergy for that; not all the lay peoplel that were happy to step in when the opportunity was handed to them. I enjoyed Father’s previous two sermons this week, but this one really bothered me.

Maybe it should bother you.

The enemy’s victories have come about not from his strength but our weakness.

 

[yellowbird]

Is it me? I am not sure what I see wrong with the article to be honest? I mean he is a bishop, put into place by Gods chosen shepherd, do we honestly think we know the full Truth of why God put him into position of influence?

I’m a little confused as well. I became Catholic because I believe that God guides His church and I am to respect the authority He has put in place. Am I only to respect them if I agree with what they’re suggesting? How is that different from when I was Protestant and would find a Pastor who taught what I already decided was truth??? Either we respect the authority - or we don’t. If this Priest were my Bishop, would I have the right to totallly trash him and suggest he works for the devil? Gads.

How do we know God doesn’t want to allow something different for Homosexuals? Yeah, I know it sounds way out there… but who am I to say God can’t change His mind or perhaps we’ve been wrong about how God feels about homosexuality? If that’s what the Church decides, I can only assume that’s what God wants. Maybe those pushing for acceptance and change with regards to homosexuals are being used by God?

I also don’t understand why have some lumped the subject of homosexuality in with abortion. Those are two totally different topics.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

I’m a little confused as well. I became Catholic because I believe that God guides His church and I am to respect the authority He has put in place. Am I only to respect them if I agree with what they’re suggesting? How is that different from when I was Protestant and would find a Pastor who taught what I already decided was truth??? Either we respect the authority - or we don’t. If this Priest were my Bishop, would I have the right to totallly trash him and suggest he works for the devil? Gads.

How do we know God doesn’t want to allow something different for Homosexuals? Yeah, I know it sounds way out there… but who am I to say God can’t change His mind or perhaps we’ve been wrong about how God feels about homosexuality? If that’s what the Church decides, I can only assume that’s what God wants. Maybe those pushing for acceptance and change with regards to homosexuals are being used by God?

I also don’t understand why have some lumped the subject of homosexuality in with abortion. Those are two totally different topics.

God’s Eternal Truth NEVER changes! Some outer trappings (language of the Mass) can change, but not these truths.

Bishops who go against these Eternal Truths are also in need of prayer and guidance. The devil can strike anywhere, and moral relativism is where it starts.

 

[Tigg]

Go to EWTN on Youtube and listen to today’s homily, addressing Chavez and the failure of many ‘Catholics’ to defend either the Pope or the Church.

Scary but riveting.

Can anyone give me a link? I’ve looked and don’t see it.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Hope this works!

EWTN Youtube is

 

[Ecoclimber]

How do we know God doesn’t want to allow something different for Homosexuals? Yeah, I know it sounds way out there… but who am I to say God can’t change His mind or perhaps we’ve been wrong about how God feels about homosexuality? If that’s what the Church decides, I can only assume that’s what God wants. Maybe those pushing for acceptance and change with regards to homosexuals are being used by God?

God is immutable. Malachi 3:6, 1 Samuel 15:29, Thomas Aquinas Summa Theologica > First Part > Question 9

 

[wisdomseeker]

How do we know God doesn’t want to allow something different for Homosexuals? Yeah, I know it sounds way out there… but who am I to say God can’t change His mind or perhaps we’ve been wrong about how God feels about homosexuality? If that’s what the Church decides, I can only assume that’s what God wants. Maybe those pushing for acceptance and change with regards to homosexuals are being used by God?

I also don’t understand why have some lumped the subject of homosexuality in with abortion. Those are two totally different topics.

if this homosexuality is ok with God today, like you said, then who is to say that the pill and abortion is not ok with God too?

how about the others sins? who is to say is not also allowed by God?
becarefull brother not to attribute to God what is not of God.

 

[Tigg]

This homily left me uneasy, to be frank. I felt there was an attempt to transfer the guilt and failures of the clergy onto the lay people. Yes, we lay people must defend our faith, pray for our clergy, live our morals. However, it is because of a severe crisis in Church leadership (i.e. lack of authentic leadership) that we find ourselves in the mess we are in today. It is because of grave scandal caused by certain priests and bishops that the media are shining a spotlight on our religion - not because of scandal caused by lay people.

Fr. also made mention of the lay people wanting to run the church (I’m not quoting verbatim here) but then not stepping up to the plate when it comes to defending the faith. Well, it is the bishops and priests that ushered the laity into running many aspects of the Church. They have allowed the lay people to take over the Tabernacle, sanctuary, Communion distribution etc. etc. I blame the clergy for that; not all the lay peoplel that were happy to step in when the opportunity was handed to them. I enjoyed Father’s previous two sermons this week, but this one really bothered me.

Thanks for the link, Sailor.

Yes, this homily was disturbing to me as well because Father seems to equate the defense of the faith with defending the actions of the bishops. This is so wrong especially in light of the fact that they are now so politically motivated. Look at some of these threads…we, the laity, are the ones consistently trying to defend the Truth against the ambiguous words and actions of an episcopate that allows renegade priests to continue to abuse the liturgy. We are the ones indignant that Catholic money has been used to help promote an anti-life agenda. We are the ones who continually point to the errors that are not corrected by any disciplinary action of the guilty. AB Chaput recently wrote an article stating that the Church has even abdicated its responsibilities regarding catechesis.

I agree it is the lack of true spiritual leadership that has caused the criticism of our shepherds. Can any real Catholic true to the faith defend an article that states, “Homosexual-Serenaded Bishop Calls for New, Ecumenical, Gay-Friendly Council?”

CCC 907: "In accord with the knowledge, competence, and preeminence which they possess, [lay people] have the right and even at times a duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church, and they have a right to make their opinion known to the other Christian faithful, with due regard to the integrity of faith and morals and reverence toward their pastors, and with consideration for the common good and the dignity of persons."443

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

I didn’t get that angle at all, but a call for all of us to publicly defend not only the Church, but His Holy Name.

And alas that there will be many opportunities.

 

[portarica]

Good thing he is retired or we’d have to listen to a mess about him being removed. How did he ever get Ordained as a Bishop?

Probably because of the gay nature of the catholic priesthood.With such a large number of gay catholic priests worldwide, it only makes sense that statistically the % of gay bishops mimics the percentage of gay priests to some extent.

Given that most dioceses have more than 4 bishops within various offices, it is likely that the majority of dioceses have at least one gay bishop.For instance the diocese of NY has 10 bishops and a cardinal.

So it would not be unusual for a bishop to be gay.

Peace

 

[the_7th_one]

Probably because of the gay nature of the catholic priesthood.With such a large number of gay catholic priests worldwide, it only makes sense that statistically the % of gay bishops mimics the percentage of gay priests to some extent.

Given that most dioceses have more than 4 bishops within various offices, it is likely that the majority of dioceses have at least one gay bishop.For instance the diocese of NY has 10 bishops and a cardinal.

So it would not be unusual for a bishop to be gay.

Peace

Sad, but gien the other problems with in the priesthood in the Church, it does make sense

 

[tee_eff_em]

Given that most dioceses have more than 4 bishops within various offices, it is likely that the majority of dioceses have at least one gay bishop.For instance the diocese of NY has 10 bishops and a cardinal.

Respectfully,** I call baloney.**

In the US I see statistics of 195 dioceses and 434 bishops, leading to an average of 2.2 bishops per diocese.
World-wide, I see statistics of 3084 (current*) dioceses and 5170 bishops, yielding an average of 1.7 bishops per diocese.

(* If you include titular sees, the average number of bishops per diocese becomes less than 1.0)


tee

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Probably because of the gay nature of the catholic priesthood.With such a large number of gay catholic priests worldwide, it only makes sense that statistically the % of gay bishops mimics the percentage of gay priests to some extent.

Given that most dioceses have more than 4 bishops within various offices, it is likely that the majority of dioceses have at least one gay bishop.For instance the diocese of NY has 10 bishops and a cardinal.

So it would not be unusual for a bishop to be gay.

Peace

What on earth are you talking about?