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JulianN
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Uriel1
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Thanks for clearing that up; are you 100% certain?
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JulianN
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Yup.
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Uriel1
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I think this may be the case; why would a 1994 version still be online? @julianN
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JulianN
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Again, inattentive webmaster? You could email them.
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Uriel1
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I think this may be the case; why would a 1994 version still be online?The old version is probably “at the ready” to be published following the upcoming “Meeting of Families” and then the synod on “youth” and discernment. One can guarantee that both of these boondoggles will include plenty of soft peddling about homosexuality (and sexuality / marriage in general) with calls to change the wording in Church teaching. Let’s be honest, there still exist a great number of “uncaught McCarricks” in the Church who would just love to see their devious sins legitimized.
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KJW5551
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Uh, no. This is sensationalism. The Church teaches that it’s intrinsically disordered, always has and always will. See CCC 2357.
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Uriel1
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So why would the 1994 version which doesn’t teach that now be online?Uh, no. This is sensationalism. The Church teaches that it’s intrinsically disordered, always has and always will. See CCC 2357.
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KJW5551
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Asked and answered friend.
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Uriel1
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but others here disagree with you and say the 1994 version (now online) does NOT teach of the disorder, and it states objectively disordered in the 1997 versionAsked and answered friend.
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KJW5551
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As is common in the Catechism, 2358 builds upon the paragraph directly before it, which could absolutely not be any clearer on this issue.
Again, nothing to see here.
Again, nothing to see here.
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A reveserion back to the 1994 text, which is only speculated in this topic and hasn’t been seen eslewhere, would not be declaring homosexual tendencies “ordered.” So let’s refrain from alarmist calls of changing Jesus’ teaching.
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Gertabelle
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The original and revised texts both use the word “disordered” in paragraph 2357. Nothing to worked up over. All is well.Not at all, but If the objectively disordered part has been removed it changes the teaching of Jesus
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Uriel1
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lets try to refrain from words like alarmist; the new Testament teaches clearly what awaits us
Romans 1:26-27 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Timothy 1:10 The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality , or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching
Jude 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion . They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire
Romans 1:26-27 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Timothy 1:10 The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality , or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching
Jude 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion . They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire
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JulianN
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The 1994 version does teach that—it’s in the preceding paragraph.
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Uriel1
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If you could edit “that” for what you think it says it would help us
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KJW5551
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I feel like we’re being patient with you @Uriel1 but it’s getting difficult. For you, or anyone else confused on this, here is the full text of 2357. Again, this could not be any clearer.
**[2357] "Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.“142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”
**[2357] "Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.“142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”
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The old version, which is awful, was luckily corrected. I think the old version is just still available on the Vatican website.
http://dolekemp96.org
Why is this website from a presidential campaign 22 years ago still online? I love conspiracies but this isn’t one.I think this may be the case; why would a 1994 version still be online?
http://dolekemp96.org
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JulianN
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Actually, if you go to the site you linked, you can read it. There really is nothing here—Make a mountain out of a molehill - Wikipedia
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Uriel1
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The Vatican should really not allow this, but i hope you are right and that the 1997 version is fixed
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