HomoSexuality a Mental Disorder

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Hi Sing and all, I know how you feel…I often feel ver defensive when trying to explain SSA to people…sometimes they do attack me (well most of the time lol…) and sometimes it’s just a reaction to defend yourself just in case.

I have SSA and am a normal (for the most part) person… I’ve never suffered with any disorder, depression, well…nothing really. For me it is just something that I am and the question is what to do about it.
SSA is a deviation from the norm of God’s design for man and is a symptom of an underlying psychological disorder. Whether or not it represents an impairment in one’s self perception or ability to function is an entirely different consideration.
 
SSA is a deviation from the norm of God’s design for man and is a symptom of an underlying psychological disorder. Whether or not it represents an impairment in one’s self perception or ability to function is an entirely different consideration.
I accept that your view is going to be different to mine full stop.

but considering that the classification for mental health disorders no longer recognises SSA as a mental disorder this argument does not sit with me from a practical point of view.

Also, in modern terms, a psychological disorder…or something which needs ‘help’ is a disorder that stops the individual from living a happy life…

I’m simplifying that massively… but basically if a person is happy, functioning well with those around them and is able to live their life without distress from the ‘disorder’ then it is not classed as a disorder.

This is why many people with SSA cringe when the word is used…They do not see themselves as some kind of abomintation, they understand themselves to be normal because that is how they have always been…

and even though numerically they are ‘a deviation from the norm’ they are by no means unusual. Geniuses are a deviation from the statistical norm… but this does not mean they have a disorder…

My point is: you need sound medical evidence before using this term… not just the fact that most people do not have SSA… most peope have something unusual.

The term puts people off engaging with ideas…and even though you’re approaching this from a theological view, the terms applied to SSA do not help to create any kind of dialogue where people with SSA do not feel judged and misunderstood.

Take care, S
 
lets say for the sake of arguement that homesexuality and gender identity disorder are mental disorders. how does one cure those disoders? I keeping hearing from a few that they are and and those disorders nead to be treated. well I want to hear how , since this is print on a computer, Im all eyes.
I would like to suggest that as with the other “mental” illnesses, there is a convergence of biochemical imbalance and ecological disorder.Evidence of homosexuality and it’s biological basis can be found in animals. For example:
  • Male Blue-ringed octopi in severely bleached reefs frequently attempt copulation with with other clearly male octopi.
  • In the absence of reproductive male frogs, female frogs will convert to male frogs and can inseminate eggs.
  • The male fish in our streams are developing sexual characterists of both sexes and are being rendered infertile in the process. The cause: chemicals we use everyday including the birth control pill which puts so much estrogen in women that it spills into their urine and makes its way into the watershed.
I have had many friends who were homosexual, transexual, tranvestite. Their lives are hard and hardly something someone would choose any more that someone would choose to be diabetic.
  • Many of them, disproportionately more than the heterosexual population, were or still are the victims of rape. I suspect that this not only sets up a pychological orientation towards other males, but bio chemically, the testosterone injected in a male body has an effeminizing effect. It’s like when athletes take testosterone in the form of anobolic steroids, the effects are effeminizing: breast growth, hair loss, shrinkage of secondary male characteristics in the groin, increased sensitivity to cortisol. Small prisoners who have been subjected to repeated rape frequently develope not just submission, passive behaviors, but very effeminate behaviors and physical characteristics.
  • I bet the study of the effects of estrogen in the watertable and especially E?? Inhibtors will one day provide the most understanding of homosexual orientation not only in the male population but even in the female population.
I knew one homosexual male who after 5-7 years in the homosexual community, moved to a rural community where he drank well-water and mountain stream water above the urban water table. Over three years time, his physical carriage changed, he lost interest in men, he even fell in love with a woman. They actually married and have a child now.

We need to take politics out of the discussion and turn it back over to real scientists
 
SSA is a deviation from the norm of God’s design for man and is a symptom of an underlying psychological disorder. Whether or not it represents an impairment in one’s self perception or ability to function is an entirely different consideration.
Dear Setter,
If you design a system to operate within certain limits, and it operates within those limits, then, it is functioning according to design.
That is the meaning, and function of a specification.
The fact that human systems operate outside of what you perceive as the normal limits, indicate that your perception differs from G_D’s.
For, G_D, in permitting deviation from what you call normal, has openned the limits to accept this deviation, thus this deviated form is STILL WITHIN THE DESIGN LIMITS.
It may be a deviation from the norm, but then, the norm is just the midpoint of the conceptual space bounded by the limits.
Everybody, with the exception of ‘Yanqui Doodle’ deviates from the norm.
 
Hi I’m Jeff. I am disordered. I happen to be a sinner. I’m hetrosexual, but that doesn’t matter to that I’ve sinned on numerous times. Could some have a mental or a physiological basis that might up the tendancy to certain types of sin, well I am sure, haven’t really been diagnosed with anything. I might have more of a tendancy to sin more in one area than another, but particulars of sin seems to be different for everyone. Where my weak points and weak will tends to get me in troulbe, those might be different from person to person. If I was ordered properly, I don’t think I’d sin. If I was in heaven and unable to sin, then I think it’s fair to say, I wouldn’t sin. Right now, I suffer from original sin, so do most people I know. OK I think I have a strong feeling all do. What can I do? Try not to sin. Humble accept if I sin, I can go to confession. Try to displace sin with an actionable love. But I’m just stuck in this vale of tears til I die. Well there are some awfully beautiful moments of joy.

What is a mental disorder is dependant upon what is by definition of a mental disorder. When the Catholic Church says something is a disorder, it does not have to follow it is a mental disorder. Though if it is, it would be nice to know if one could do interventions to change it. That also depends on if one wants to do those interventions. It seems to me, the Church will call homosexuality a disorder, because it gives one an orientation that takes sex out of it’s natural order. So I think one has to look at how the Church approaches sex, inorder to understand it’s stance.
 
I accept that your view is going to be different to mine full stop.

but considering that the classification for mental health disorders no longer recognises SSA as a mental disorder this argument does not sit with me from a practical point of view.
The current lack of classification for SSA does not align with natural law. From a “practical point of view” does this sit well with you?
Also, in modern terms, a psychological disorder…or something which needs ‘help’ is a disorder that stops the individual from living a happy life…
I’m simplifying that massively… but basically if a person is happy, functioning well with those around them and is able to live their life without distress from the ‘disorder’ then it is not classed as a disorder.
This remains a point of contention amongst mental health professionals, as there are many pedophiliacs who satisfy your criteria of “not classed as a disorder”.
That the politicizing of homosexuality could have far-reaching effects on other theoretical and clinical concepts dealing with sexual conditions and the psychoanalytic view of them was quickly borne out. Revisions in the third edition of the DSM were proposed that would have further damaging effects on our understanding, research, and therapy of the remaining sexual deviations. The proposal made before the Assembly of the A.P.A. on May 3, 1975 made it a requirement that any sexual condition, in order to be termed a disorder, must “coexist with distress.” (15) For example, a fetishist must experience distress to be considered as having a disorder.
A wave or protest both from individual psychoanalysts and psychoanalytic societies in this country greeted this proposal. It was obvious that this requirement ran counter to everything we know dynamically about mechanisms involved in these serious disturbances. For example, the enactment of any perversion helps keep the individual in equilibrium and neutralizes anxiety. It has been unconsciously specifically fashioned for this purpose. Therefore, the presence or absence of anxiety cannot be an adequate criterion to use when determining whether the condition is a disorder or not. Some of the most severely disturbed pedophiliacs have had no anxiety because of their constant enactment of the pedophilic act.
Furthermore, this proposal disregarded the following:
(1) The presence of a specific need, desire, compulsion, or other symptom formation may so circumscribe pathology, that a patient may appear to be functioning well in every other aspect of his life;
(2) Fully developed neurotic symptoms can mask illness as well as express it;
(3) The mechanism of perversion results in producing an ego-syntonic symptom, namely, one which allays and neutralizes anxiety.
narth.com/docs/annals.html
 
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Originally Posted by Abira
This is why many people with SSA cringe when the word is used…They do not see themselves as some kind of abomintation, they understand themselves to be normal because that is how they have always been…
and even though numerically they are ‘a deviation from the norm’ they are by no means unusual. Geniuses are a deviation from the statistical norm… but this does not mean they have a disorder…
My point is: you need sound medical evidence before using this term… not just the fact that most people do not have SSA… most peope have something unusual.
The term puts people off engaging with ideas…and even though you’re approaching this from a theological view, the terms applied to SSA do not help to create any kind of dialogue where people with SSA do not feel judged and misunderstood.
Take care, S
Part of me wants to say “toughen up your ego a bit to be able to talk forthrightly about and consider these matters on an objective basis”, however, though this may work for me, it may not necessarily (obviously) work for those walking wounded and those too personally aligned with their disorder or sin.
This can be difficult, because our sexuality does form an important and integral part of our personality, and since those who experience same-sex attractions usually suffer from a wounded sense of sexual identity, it is easy to see why they would think that their “sexual orientation” was tied to something more profound and fundamental than the mere sex act itself.
Thus, if you tell someone suffering from same-sex attractions that their sexuality is objectively disordered and their behaviors are immoral, but that you love them in spite of their sexuality, they are going to call you a hypocrite. This sentiment is baffling to many Catholics because we tend to see same-sex attractions primarily in terms of homosexual intercourse. We need to bear in mind that many people in the homosexual community feel that they have only ever really been personally accepted by that community — not just because the outside world condemns homosexuality, but because some significant part of the outside world failed to accept their personality even before they had any sort of homosexual feelings.
As a result of this, their genuine personality traits — aspects of themselves that actually are part of the way God made them — are psychologically bound up with their homosexuality.
ncregister.com/site/article/1889
 
The current lack of classification for SSA does not align with natural law. From a “practical point of view” does this sit well with you?

This remains a point of contention amongst mental health professionals, as there are many pedophiliacs who satisfy your criteria of “not classed as a disorder”.
Hi Setter.

I take your points … but I feel uncomfortable when terms are moved between psychological and theological points. A disorder in the church is different to a disorder in a medical sense and it’s this that doesn’t sit with me in this discussion.

The second point I would throw in here, just as a side point and not a decided view of my own, … there are those that say that SSA can lead people to be unhappy because society treats them as outsiders, not that they are unhappy because of the condition itself.

I can say from personal experience that if I did not have the upbringing that I’ve had I would feel no guilt or issues associated with SSA and would probably be livinga very different life now; my point being that without a feeling of judgement I would be more settled within myself.

Take care, S 🙂
 
The current lack of classification for SSA does not align with natural law. From a “practical point of view” does this sit well with you?
‘Natural Law’, according, as I understand it, to the Catholic Church, is based upon logical reasoning, working from universally accepted fundaments.
The problem comes, when Rome sees something fundamental, which is not.
Now I do not deny the existance of ‘pure’ perversion in some cases of homosexuality, but there are a definite number of cases, where this is due to SSA, resulting from improper gender determination.
Rome sticks fast to the premise that G_D created Man, male and female ONLY.
Science tells us that gender, though strongly bi-modal, is actually diffuse, and there is considerable modal overlap. This means that someone who is genetically male, may have a female body, or a female psyche in a male body.
This could leave the female psyche in the male body, attracted to males. This is a case of SSA according to the precepts of Rome.
When we argue that all are the creation of G_D, we get agreement, but the assertion that the deviant gender is an error permitted by G_D.
What we have though is not a simple black and white case of true or false, but a degree of deviation from a norm.
Now if G_D designed a system, where a large deviation from ‘norm’ was permitted, then, indeed, these deviants lie within the design limits set down by G_D. Thus they are compliant with G_D’s design.
Therefore G_D created Man, and indeed all creation, male, female, intersex, and neuter.
If you want to call this permissive tollerance, or free-will, well, that indeed may be the case, but this fuzzyness is part of the design, part of creation, and thus, part of Man.
This remains a point of contention amongst mental health professionals, as there are many pedophiliacs who satisfy your criteria of “not classed as a disorder”.
I agree that from the above, that argument could be made. So a different criterion must be here consulted. That is the criterion of harm.
There can be no doubt, that in some cases of paedophilia, that harm is done to the psyche of the child, if not to the mind or body. Other forms of paedophilia may indeed be benign. The term means ‘love of children’. This could just as easily be innocent love as it could be perverted ‘love’.
Did not Jesus say:‘Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not.’?
Narth attempts to promote the possibility of psyche gender re-allignment.
What real evidence that exists suggests is that once gender is alligned, whether correctly, or otherwise, that allignment is to all intents and purposes, fixed.
Like geese, who see the first moving thing they espy on hatching, as mother, so undergo in some cases, an incorrect initializatiion of their ‘operating system’. The memory used here seems to be Write Once Read Manytimes, or WORM memory, like a CDROM. Thus once the OS is initialized, that is the status quo, fixed.
What we do know is that if we re-initialize a hard disk, we lose everything that was ever stored on it.
Since so much of the psyche is built upon its initialization, then similarly, initializing, or the attempt thereto, is extremely dangerous to the psyche.
 
‘Natural Law’, according, as I understand it, to the Catholic Church, is based upon logical reasoning, working from universally accepted fundaments.
The Ten Commandments, natural law.

2070 The Ten Commandments belong to God’s revelation. At the same time they teach us the true humanity of man. They bring to light the essential duties, and therefore, indirectly, the fundamental rights inherent in the nature of the human person. The Decalogue contains a privileged expression of the natural law:

From the beginning, God had implanted in the heart of man the precepts of the natural law. Then he was content to remind him of them. This was the Decalogue. (Catechism of the Catholic Church)
The problem comes, when Rome sees something fundamental, which is not.
“…which is not” according to who and why?
Now I do not deny the existance of ‘pure’ perversion in some cases of homosexuality, but there are a definite number of cases, where this is due to SSA, resulting from improper gender determination.
What determines “pure perversion” versus let’s say 25% perversion, or 65% perversion, in your manual? Likewise, what is the criteria for “improper gender determination” in your design manual?
Rome sticks fast to the premise that G_D created Man, male and female ONLY.
I am very curious as to what other models that you believe God lined up when he originally created human beings? Btw – This is beginning to sound very silly on your part.
Science tells us that gender, though strongly bi-modal, is actually diffuse, and there is considerable modal overlap. This means that someone who is genetically male, may have a female body, or a female psyche in a male body.
This could leave the female psyche in the male body, attracted to males. This is a case of SSA according to the precepts of Rome.
When we argue that all are the creation of G_D, we get agreement, but the assertion that the deviant gender is an error permitted by G_D.
What we have though is not a simple black and white case of true or false, but a degree of deviation from a norm.
Now if G_D designed a system, where a large deviation from ‘norm’ was permitted, then, indeed, these deviants lie within the design limits set down by G_D. Thus they are compliant with G_D’s design.
Therefore G_D created Man, and indeed all creation, male, female, intersex, and neuter.
If you want to call this permissive tollerance, or free-will, well, that indeed may be the case, but this fuzzyness is part of the design, part of creation, and thus, part of Man.
I agree that from the above, that argument could be made. So a different criterion must be here consulted. That is the criterion of harm.
One really needs to work hard to accept your paradigm of what constitutes natural and normal. Your unlimited offering of what constitutes normal (versus deviation from) is based on loose conjecture, presumption and absence of acknowledgement of what is obvious in design by natural law understanding of purpose and function. Basically all bets are off. God did not just create Adam and Eve, but He gets credit for every deviation between and beyond. In fact according to your construct, there is no basis of norm and deviation there of – it is basically one happy family of mutations that the creator planned and intended as an acceptable condition – a very “tolerant”, arbitrary, self-contradictory and politically correct god your offer.
There can be no doubt, that in some cases of paedophilia, that harm is done to the psyche of the child, if not to the mind or body. Other forms of paedophilia may indeed be benign. The term means ‘love of children’. This could just as easily be innocent love as it could be perverted ‘love’.
Did not Jesus say:‘Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not.’?
Care to elaborate?
Narth attempts to promote the possibility of psyche gender re-allignment.
What real evidence that exists suggests is that once gender is alligned, whether correctly, or otherwise, that allignment is to all intents and purposes, fixed.
Like geese, who see the first moving thing they espy on hatching, as mother, so undergo in some cases, an incorrect initializatiion of their ‘operating system’. The memory used here seems to be Write Once Read Manytimes, or WORM memory, like a CDROM. Thus once the OS is initialized, that is the status quo, fixed.
What we do know is that if we re-initialize a hard disk, we lose everything that was ever stored on it.
Since so much of the psyche is built upon its initialization, then similarly, initializing, or the attempt thereto, is extremely dangerous to the psyche.
Check out the personal testimony section of www.narth.com to dispel and assuage your doubts and fears.
 
Hi Setter.

I take your points … but I feel uncomfortable when terms are moved between psychological and theological points. A disorder in the church is different to a disorder in a medical sense and it’s this that doesn’t sit with me in this discussion.
One must be careful to distinguish the two.
The second point I would throw in here, just as a side point and not a decided view of my own, … there are those that say that SSA can lead people to be unhappy because society treats them as outsiders, not that they are unhappy because of the condition itself.
The same can be said of many other behaviors or acting out on disordered tendencies/desires.
I can say from personal experience that if I did not have the upbringing that I’ve had I would feel no guilt or issues associated with SSA and would probably be livinga very different life now; my point being that without a feeling of judgement I would be more settled within myself.
Take care, S 🙂
I suggest that you (and myself) need by God’s grace to grow into more perfect love of Christ where “perfect love cast out fear”.

“There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and he who fears is not perfected in love.” **1 John 4: 18 **
 
“There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and he who fears is not perfected in love.” **1 John 4: 18 **
Ok that’s a good point, I like that… although I could point to some examples I’ve met… I’d agree with that sentiment as good advice.

S
 
I agree that it is a mental/emotional disorder, and I am very orthodox at that point. I am a homosexual myself and do not want to oppose the Church Teachings. However I have many doubts, as long as part of the causes of my homosexuality was my Mother using religion as a way of emasculating her children. She was a castrating personality. I have fought with this for about 42 years ( I am 55 now ) and often I found that the struggle caused many side effects and self destructive behaviours.I have still NOT accepted it. The compulsion in me is very poerful and will not fully but only partially justificate it. Sometimes I find that the Catholic morality lies almost entirely on purity, which is a fine thing if you are also warm, generous, all forgiving, truthful, ethically correct, etc. Sometimes I have the feeling that all what is needed to be accepted by the Lord is not to have heterosexual sex before marriage and not be gay. Many bigots support war for instance, but are horrified by homosexualityIf we are to follow Jesus Christ just by being chaste I do not think it is a really thorough Christian behaviour.My Mother saw sin in everything, carnal sin. When she was old she started to swear, to praise young men for their looks…so I wondered if she was a Catholic or just a neurotic profitting from religion . She was not a bad person, I must say, but <I guess she was ill, mentally and emotionally ill.
On the other hand unfriendly and agressive siblings made a lot of damage in my self assurance.When I do some homosexual activitiy it is never cynical nor against the Lord, it is a symptom of something traumatic. When I was 20 I did not even know where were the feminine organs locatedc, so huge was my repression. It is wonderful that I still think of Catholicism as my religion and that I still consider homosexuality a disorder, but being Catholic and greedy ath the same time, or Catholic and hurting at the same time, or Catholic and rageful or racist, those are NOT disorders ?
I am never convinced by gay propaganda, I don’t believe in a gay community or gay marriage but I don’t think I will go to Hell just becasue here and there I commit my carnal sins. I feel a vacuum after them, OK, but that is all, I would have liked to have children OH HOW I WOULD HAVE LIKED THAT !!! and to have a loving wife, and not as a mask for society. I would really have liked it. I never saw a man as a way of opposing Our Lord or doing some harm. I love my Lord, but sometimes I feel those urges. Itg is a very torturing process and sometimes I envy those who have conviction in their wrong paths for they do whatever they please without feeling guilty.
I AM AN HONEST PERSON, so I follow truth. For Catholics I am almost a liberal, a sinner ( well, I do not campaign for gayism, as I have pointed out ) but for gays I am a hyupocrite, a repressed Catholic.I am sure the Lord will give me an answer finally. I have struggled like mad, but the point is IS THAT STRUGGLE HEALTHY ? Take 2 commandments : NOT TO KILL and NOT TO COMMIT ADULETROUS ACTS or FORNICATE ( I am Spanish speaking person, sorry for myEnglish ). Not to kill is natural to most of us, but NEVER TO HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE is quite impossible, let’s be practical. So I have a hint of a doubt if the Lord meant total chastity or to avoid promiscuity. Anyhow I have committed many promiscuous acts so I sinned anyway, but part of homosexual traumas is the SEARCH, the obsession, fetichism, etc. So it is a mental and emotional disorder, but we need to be guided. CAN WE BE FINALLY BE GUIDED OUT ?
 
I agree that it is a mental/emotional disorder, and I am very orthodox at that point. …

…So it is a mental and emotional disorder, but we need to be guided. CAN WE BE FINALLY BE GUIDED OUT ?
It sounds like you are already well on the road to salvation as you continue to take up your cross daily and press on toward Calvary.

We all need companions along the journey, and maybe some extra spiritual and mental health (name removed by moderator)ut along the way. Frequent the sacraments, and there is no replacement for not developing a vibrant daily personal pray life.
 
I agree that it is a mental/emotional disorder, and I am very orthodox at that point. I am a homosexual myself and do not want to oppose the Church Teachings. However I have many doubts, as long as part of the causes of my homosexuality was my Mother using religion as a way of emasculating her children. She was a castrating personality. I have fought with this for about 42 years ( I am 55 now ) and often I found that the struggle caused many side effects and self destructive behaviours.I have still NOT accepted it. The compulsion in me is very poerful and will not fully but only partially justificate it. Sometimes I find that the Catholic morality lies almost entirely on purity, which is a fine thing if you are also warm, generous, all forgiving, truthful, ethically correct, etc. Sometimes I have the feeling that all what is needed to be accepted by the Lord is not to have heterosexual sex before marriage and not be gay. Many bigots support war for instance, but are horrified by homosexualityIf we are to follow Jesus Christ just by being chaste I do not think it is a really thorough Christian behaviour.My Mother saw sin in everything, carnal sin. When she was old she started to swear, to praise young men for their looks…so I wondered if she was a Catholic or just a neurotic profitting from religion . She was not a bad person, I must say, but <I guess she was ill, mentally and emotionally ill.
On the other hand unfriendly and agressive siblings made a lot of damage in my self assurance.When I do some homosexual activitiy it is never cynical nor against the Lord, it is a symptom of something traumatic. When I was 20 I did not even know where were the feminine organs locatedc, so huge was my repression. It is wonderful that I still think of Catholicism as my religion and that I still consider homosexuality a disorder, but being Catholic and greedy ath the same time, or Catholic and hurting at the same time, or Catholic and rageful or racist, those are NOT disorders ?
I am never convinced by gay propaganda, I don’t believe in a gay community or gay marriage but I don’t think I will go to Hell just becasue here and there I commit my carnal sins. I feel a vacuum after them, OK, but that is all, I would have liked to have children OH HOW I WOULD HAVE LIKED THAT !!! and to have a loving wife, and not as a mask for society. I would really have liked it. I never saw a man as a way of opposing Our Lord or doing some harm. I love my Lord, but sometimes I feel those urges. Itg is a very torturing process and sometimes I envy those who have conviction in their wrong paths for they do whatever they please without feeling guilty.
I AM AN HONEST PERSON, so I follow truth. For Catholics I am almost a liberal, a sinner ( well, I do not campaign for gayism, as I have pointed out ) but for gays I am a hyupocrite, a repressed Catholic.I am sure the Lord will give me an answer finally. I have struggled like mad, but the point is IS THAT STRUGGLE HEALTHY ? Take 2 commandments : NOT TO KILL and NOT TO COMMIT ADULETROUS ACTS or FORNICATE ( I am Spanish speaking person, sorry for myEnglish ). Not to kill is natural to most of us, but NEVER TO HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE is quite impossible, let’s be practical. So I have a hint of a doubt if the Lord meant total chastity or to avoid promiscuity. Anyhow I have committed many promiscuous acts so I sinned anyway, but part of homosexual traumas is the SEARCH, the obsession, fetichism, etc. So it is a mental and emotional disorder, but we need to be guided. CAN WE BE FINALLY BE GUIDED OUT ?
Tu ingles esta muy bien! No lo pense’ mal. 👍

Anyhoo, the Catholic view of sex is the most healthy for humans. It is not meant to castrate us, but to acknowledge our inherent divinity as God’s people. Yes there are homosexual animals. But we are called to something greater. Procreation within a heterosexual marriage or single life devoted to chastity and prayer. Neither is easy, but both are divine.

I applaud your struggle and your efforts to seek the divine first. St. Francis of Assisi claimed at the end of his life to be the greatest of all sinners. St. Augustin said when he heard the call and was still living in sin with a woman “Lord let me be chaste, but not now!” St. Paul said at the end of his life that he had fought against sin his whole life, but he won. We all struggle, and God sees this and loves us all the more, like the Prodigal son who returned to his father.

May God bless you and you are in my prayers! 🙂
 
Thank you so so much for your prayers and your encouraging words !!!
God bless you !!!
ALBACIENTIS
 
Thank you
I do not know if I am using werll the answering system. I am answering the first mail above.i RECEIVED 2 MAILS. Was one from a Spanish speaking person ?
Can we write to each other in spanish ? I seem to have read an argentine Spanish phrase…

God bless you both !

ALBACIENTIS
 
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