HomoSexuality a Mental Disorder

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Toten said:
If I am not mistaken, The Catholic Church holds that Homosexuality is a mental disorder. Has there been any scientific studies to prove this?
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It’s important to realise that a mental disorder doesn’t make a person subhuman. Also, one mental disorder is not equal to another. A homosexual person can still be a genius and a hero and a saint all in one. It’s just that sexual activity within the same sex is disordered. An inclination towards it is a disordered one, as is any inclination to any disordered behaviour. If that inclination creates sufficient levels of compulsion, what else could it be than a disorder? A perfectly natural “alternative orientation” that goes against the natural design of the human body, in case of homosexuality? Pretending it’s just a different way of living won’t help the people who are affected by it.
 
If something is considered a mental disorder…then, how can it be a mortal sin to be homosexual? The RCC teaches that sleeping with someone of the same sex, is a mortal/grave sin. But, to commit a mortal sin, one needs to have intent and no remorse. How can intent come into play, if someone has a mental disorder? (of any nature?)

If it’s a mental disorder, that says to me that the person is not responsible for his/her own actions, thus their behavior really can’t be deemed ‘sinful.’

Just trying to clarify?:confused:
 
whatevergirl said:
If something is considered a mental disorder…then, how can it be a mortal sin to be homosexual?
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It’s not. The inclination of itself is not a sin. It may only be a sin to act on it - or to develop such an inclination willingly in oneself or others.
The RCC teaches that sleeping with someone of the same sex, is a mortal/grave sin.
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Yup. And different also, unless married (and unitively and procreatively).
But, to commit a mortal sin, one needs to have intent and no remorse. How can intent come into play, if someone has a mental disorder? (of any nature?)
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What role does remourse play? Intent and knowledge can both be distorted by a disorder, but they aren’t automatically completely eliminated. Homosexuality replace the opposite sex with the same one, but it doesn’t necessarily compell into homosexual acts any more than heterosexuality pushes a single into fornication.
If it’s a mental disorder, that says to me that the person is not responsible for his/her own actions, thus their behavior really can’t be deemed ‘sinful.’
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That is absolutely correct. But it’s not the case with homosexuality if it relies on merely changing the sex one’s attracted to. The level of compulsion is not necessarily any bigger than for a heterosexual to commit fornication or adultery. It may be lower even.
 
chevalier said:
It’s not. The inclination of itself is not a sin. It may only be a sin to act on it - or to develop such an inclination willingly in oneself or others.

Yup. And different also, unless married (and unitively and procreatively).

What role does remourse play? Intent and knowledge can both be distorted by a disorder, but they aren’t automatically completely eliminated. Homosexuality replace the opposite sex with the same one, but it doesn’t necessarily compell into homosexual acts any more than heterosexuality pushes a single into fornication.

That is absolutely correct. But it’s not the case with homosexuality if it relies on merely changing the sex one’s attracted to. The level of compulsion is not necessarily any bigger than for a heterosexual to commit fornication or adultery. It may be lower even.
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The difference being though, that someone who is homosexual may very well believe he/she was born that way…thus, the disorder stems from that faulty thinking, perhaps? People don’t look at adultery as a disorder, because it isn’t something one ‘is born with.’

Ok…so a disorder can still manifest itself into sin?
 
Homosexuality is not a mental disorder. Does the Church teach this? What does modern medicine say about it?

I can argue that condeming someone for their consensual sexaul practices is a mental disorder. There’s as much evidence to back that up as there is to back up the argument that homosexuality is a mental disorder.
 
I’m pretty sure this has been discussed earlier in this thread or at least in some other at painful length before lol

This misunderstanding is stemming from some people mixing up the religious term ‘disorder’ with the medical term ‘mental disorder’.

They are two very different things.

S
 
Valke2 said:
Homosexuality is not a mental disorder. Does the Church teach this? What does modern medicine say about it?

I can argue that condeming someone for their consensual sexaul practices is a mental disorder. There’s as much evidence to back that up as there is to back up the argument that homosexuality is a mental disorder.
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It’s not a mental disorder. There is no syndrome associated with it. It imparts no delusions, it doesnt block cognitive abilities, it doesnt stop one functioning in the real world. You can still handle cash, interpersonal relationships, work… you can still hold responsible positions.

Homosexuality is atypical, but atypical behaviour doesnt mean ill. Many people have no problem with the fact 2% of the population are stamp collectors (though many people go through a stamp collecting phase), because they rightly classify ‘stamp collecting’ as a hobby, and virtually everyone has those.

Fancying you own gender is similar, you can liken it to stamp collecting, or fancying brunettes,
 
Abira said:
I’m pretty sure this has been discussed earlier in this thread or at least in some other at painful length before lol

This misunderstanding is stemming from some people mixing up the religious term ‘disorder’ with the medical term ‘mental disorder’.

They are two very different things.

S
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Oops…that might be me. LOL:o
Can you explain?
 
ALBACIENTIS said:
Thank you
I do not know if I am using werll the answering system. I am answering the first mail above.i RECEIVED 2 MAILS. Was one from a Spanish speaking person ?
Can we write to each other in spanish ? I seem to have read an argentine Spanish phrase…

God bless you both !

ALBACIENTIS
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Alba,

Soy americana de EEUU y ingles es la lingua de mi nacimiento. Pero, yo hablo un poco en espanol. Puedes hablar conmigo en espanol, y trataré de entender, pero creo que tu ingles es mas bueno que mi espanol.

Muchas oraciónes amables! 🙂 Buenas noches!
 
Digger71 said:
It’s not a mental disorder. There is no syndrome associated with it. It imparts no delusions, it doesnt block cognitive abilities, it doesnt stop one functioning in the real world. You can still handle cash, interpersonal relationships, work… you can still hold responsible positions.

Homosexuality is atypical, but atypical behaviour doesnt mean ill. Many people have no problem with the fact 2% of the population are stamp collectors (though many people go through a stamp collecting phase), because they rightly classify ‘stamp collecting’ as a hobby, and virtually everyone has those.

Fancying you own gender is similar, you can liken it to stamp collecting, or fancying brunettes,
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If it is not a mental disorder it makes it all the more overcomable.
 
buffalo said:
If it is not a mental disorder it makes it all the more overcomable.
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Ah, thinking, so it’s not broken, it’s ok, no problem.
Not true.
The ‘computer’ is not broken, neither is the software. However, the software is incorrectly initialized.
For a ‘cure’ that requires ‘re-programming’
But our personalities are defined by peculiarities in our ‘programming’
To re-initialize our programming is more than being ‘born again’, it is to destroy our very self.
Feasible, but equivalent to suicide.
 
Voco_proTatiano said:
Ah, thinking, so it’s not broken, it’s ok, no problem.
Not true.
The ‘computer’ is not broken, neither is the software. However, the software is incorrectly initialized.
For a ‘cure’ that requires ‘re-programming’
But our personalities are defined by peculiarities in our ‘programming’
To re-initialize our programming is more than being ‘born again’, it is to destroy our very self.
Feasible, but equivalent to suicide.
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I meant having self mastery to avoid the sin, not the condition.
 
Digger71 said:
It’s not a mental disorder. There is no syndrome associated with it. It imparts no delusions, it doesnt block cognitive abilities, it doesnt stop one functioning in the real world. You can still handle cash, interpersonal relationships, work… you can still hold responsible positions.
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It is not an overt mental disorder in the sense that homosexuals are totally disabled from functioning in day-to-day activities.

However the general picture you paint is wrong. Homosexual addiction - another way of saying “orientation” - is very frequently associated with compulsive and risk-taking behaviours. Practise often becomes ever more extreme in search of the same effect.

A good analogy is with alcoholism or compulsive gambling, also, in a different way, anorexia. It is not at all clear whether to classify these as physical addictions, personality disorders, or simply destructive behaviours.
 
Malcolm_McLean said:
It is not an overt mental disorder in the sense that homosexuals are totally disabled from functioning in day-to-day activities.

However the general picture you paint is wrong. Homosexual addiction - another way of saying “orientation” - is very frequently associated with compulsive and risk-taking behaviours. Practise often becomes ever more extreme in search of the same effect.

A good analogy is with alcoholism or compulsive gambling, also, in a different way, anorexia. It is not at all clear whether to classify these as physical addictions, personality disorders, or simply destructive behaviours.
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there are many non risk taking homosexuals though…rosie o’donnell comes to mind…so does ellen degeneres…so does a coworker of mine who all seem to enjoy long term relationships. Just don’t think that homosexuality leads everyone down a risk taking road…

God doesn’t want us to sleep with people of the same sex. Period. Call it whatever you want–that’s what I have read, and if we want to twist that truth to mean whatever we want…that’s really our problem.:o
 
Abira said:
Hi Setter.

I take your points … but I feel uncomfortable when terms are moved between psychological and theological points. A disorder in the church is different to a disorder in a medical sense and it’s this that doesn’t sit with me in this discussion.

The second point I would throw in here, just as a side point and not a decided view of my own, … there are those that say that SSA can lead people to be unhappy because society treats them as outsiders, not that they are unhappy because of the condition itself.
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This cannot be used as some kind of justification.

Allot of murderers feel the same way to; some would love nothing more then to have sex with a cow or a young child with out feeling the guilty stigma of their choices. What is moral? What is right? There is either a God of moral laws, or there are only moral opinions which are meaningless.

In a world of moral opinion, there is nothing actually wrong with having sex with a small 10 year old child; a pedophile is only fulfilling a natural desire, just like a homosexual would fulfill his or hers. It is just somebody’s arrogant moral opinion that the act in question is wrong, since there is no such thing as immorality.

I’d hate to think that that’s the world I live in; Is that the world you think you live in?

The moral law of society is based upon on an idea that something is morally wrong, not just because it is somebodys opinon, but because it is by its very nature an imoral act deserving of punisment (we get this, whether we like it or not, from religion and the belief in a moral God). If moral opinion is the only thing stopping a man or a woman from doing wrong, then I feel sorry for future generations that will grow up in a Godless world just because somebody wanted to have there cake and eat it.

There is no such thing as a homosexual. In reality, people are heterosexual beings, who can, under certain conditions (some times as a result of a biological error) through ones own imagination, develop desires that are disordered to ones nature; no matter what that desire maybe.

Theres no such thing as gay

Nobody is born gay; homosexuality is a parasite that needs a heterosexual template in order to become manifest in any given human being that is open to it. In other words, you have to be a heterosexual being in the first place before you have any hope of becoming gay.

You once said to me be real to your self; yeah you’re right. Be Hetero-sexual.

Peace.
 
Malcolm_McLean said:
It is not an overt mental disorder in the sense that homosexuals are totally disabled from functioning in day-to-day activities.

However the general picture you paint is wrong. Homosexual addiction - another way of saying “orientation” - is very frequently associated with compulsive and risk-taking behaviours. Practise often becomes ever more extreme in search of the same effect.

A good analogy is with alcoholism or compulsive gambling, also, in a different way, anorexia. It is not at all clear whether to classify these as physical addictions, personality disorders, or simply destructive behaviours.
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Homosexual addiction? Is that like heterosexual addiction?
 
whatevergirl said:
there are many non risk taking homosexuals though…rosie o’donnell comes to mind…so does ellen degeneres…so does a coworker of mine who all seem to enjoy long term relationships. Just don’t think that homosexuality leads everyone down a risk taking road…

God doesn’t want us to sleep with people of the same sex. Period. Call it whatever you want–that’s what I have read, and if we want to twist that truth to mean whatever we want…that’s really our problem.:o
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I don’t doubt you have read God doesn’t want us to sleep with people of the same sex. But, who wrote what you read? Man or God?
 
freesoulhope said:
This cannot be used as some kind of justification.

Allot of murderers feel the same way to; some would love nothing more then to have sex with a cow or a young child with out feeling the guilty stigma of their choices. What is moral? What is right? There is either a God of moral laws, or there are only moral opinions which are meaningless.

In a world of moral opinion, there is nothing actually wrong with having sex with a small 10 year old child; a pedophile is only fulfilling a natural desire, just like a homosexual would fulfill his or hers. It is just somebody’s arrogant moral opinion that the act in question is wrong, since there is no such thing as immorality.

I’d hate to think that that’s the world I live in; Is that the world you think you live in?

The moral law of society is based upon on an idea that something is morally wrong, not just because it is somebodys opinon, but because it is by its very nature an imoral act deserving of punisment (we get this, whether we like it or not, from religion and the belief in a moral God). If moral opinion is the only thing stopping a man or a woman from doing wrong, then I feel sorry for future generations that will grow up in a Godless world just because somebody wanted to have there cake and eat it.

There is no such thing as a homosexual. In reality, people are heterosexual beings, who can, under certain conditions (some times as a result of a biological error) through ones own imagination, develop desires that are disordered to ones nature; no matter what that desire maybe.

Theres no such thing as gay

Nobody is born gay; homosexuality is a parasite that needs a heterosexual template in order to become manifest in any given human being that is open to it. In other words, you have to be a heterosexual being in the first place before you have any hope of becoming gay.

You once said to me be real to your self; yeah you’re right. Be Hetero-sexual.

Peace.
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And it’s someone’s opinion that by its very nature an act deserves punishment. Some people have their own opinions. Some use others’ opinions.
 
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