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The vindication of Mark Regnerus

November 20, 2012 (thePublicDiscourse.com) - Yesterday on Public Discourse, I described the controversy that followed the publication of the New Family Structures Study (NFSS), led by University of Texas sociologist Mark Regnerus. During a summer of unusual abuse, Regnerus remained largely silent but with his head unbowed. As autumn arrived, he found himself vindicated as an honest scientist by his university, with continued support from the journal editor who published his research.
In the November 2012 issue of Social Science Research, Regnerus has published a new article: “Parental same-sex relationships, family instability, and subsequent life outcomes for adult children: Answering critics of the new family structures study with additional analyses.” He accepts “arguably the most reasonable criticism” of his original work, the use of the abbreviations “LM” (for lesbian mother) and “GF” (for gay father) to characterize the family situations experienced by his young adult subjects when they were children.

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RevDon said:
If you know anything about the foster care system, I’m sure you would conclude that children are better off living in a home where a permanent, loving relationship is established and they are cherished.
If you are worried about their sexual orientation, there are plenty of studies that show this is innate. Studies do show, however, that children brought up with same sex parents are more tolerant of same sex relationships when they encounter them.
Yes, I am a priest.
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There are plenty of studies that show it happens in early childhood.

So, all that has to be proven is that is most unlikely in same sex arrangements?
 
RevDon said:
The statistics you cite (and I’d love you to cite the source) are highly influenced by the attitudes of society which discourage or even prohibit permanent relationships between same-sex people. If they do not have access to the means of permanent relationships, if the culture is at best skeptical of the desire or ability of people to have permanent relationships, if society withholds support of permanent relationships, and if there is a dearth of models for permanent same-sex relationships, then is it any wonder that it is so hard for them to form. Incidentally, the heterosexual community isn’t doing so well with this, I’m sure you’ve noticed.
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While some activists insist that such evidence of mental health problems among homosexuals is caused by the homophobic culture in which they live, a study by Theodorus G. M. Sandfort and fellow researchers seemed to indicate that this might not be the reason.
Published in the February 2003 issue of *Archives of Sexual Behavior,* Sandfort examined the "quality of life" of homosexual men in the Netherlands, arguably the most pro-homosexual nation in the Western world. The researchers said, "Compared to heterosexual men, homosexual men evaluated their general level of health and their mental health as less positive, reported that emotional problems more often interfered with work or other daily activities, that physical health or emotional problems interfered with normal social activities, and felt less energetic."
 
RevDon said:
The statistics you cite (and I’d love you to cite the source) are highly influenced by the attitudes of society which discourage or even prohibit permanent relationships between same-sex people. If they do not have access to the means of permanent relationships, if the culture is at best skeptical of the desire or ability of people to have permanent relationships, if society withholds support of permanent relationships, and if there is a dearth of models for permanent same-sex relationships, then is it any wonder that it is so hard for them to form. Incidentally, the heterosexual community isn’t doing so well with this, I’m sure you’ve noticed.

This site gives a critique of the studies which seem to be the source of your assertion.
naedlrega.livejournal.com/15736.html
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Yes, of course, society is the problem.
 
fix said:
You cannot watch tv, the movies, the radio, the internet, books, magazines, newspapers, schools, and all else without being subjected to the “gay” propaganda. I am not even mentioning the harm to children through legalizing these faux unions. The question is how can any rational person escape being inundated by the homosexual agitprop?
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I have a similar feeling, when I watch tv, the movies, the radio, the internet, books, magazines, newspapers, schools, and all else without being subjected to the “heterosexual” propaganda.
I am not even mentioning the harm to children through terrible heterosexual marriages, broken homes and divorces.

The question is how can any rational person escape being inundated by the heterosexual agitprop? Even the president is a raving heterosexual. They are in our schools, hospitals - everwhere !!!
 
dandingo said:
If I want to be able to marry my 13 year old 3rd cousin and her 14 year old sister, simultaneously, both of whom are willing and able, can I start a Civil Rights movement so that we can get equal rights to redefine the legal age of consent?
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Good luck - See what heterosexuality leads to - Tut Tut !!

But seriously anyone can petition your politicians to change the law - whether you will succeed is another matter.
 
Apolojez said:
I realize that since I am Catholic, however that doesn’t change anything. Prejudice is something America has been struggling with since it’s founding. Women, Blacks, and Jews are just some of those who have been treated as “lesser” human beings in this country and it’s unbelievable how people still try to go back to that way of thinking.

Catholics can disagree with it but I choose not to impose my beliefs on anyone because I don’t want another person’s beliefs imposed on me.
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Blessed Pope John Paul ll said to Bishops in Los Angeles in 1987
It is sometimes reported that a large number of Catholics today do not adhere to the teaching of the Catholic Church on a number of questions, notably sexual and conjugal morality, divorce and remarriage. Some are reported as not accepting the clear position on abortion. It has to be noted that there is a tendency on the part of some Catholics to be selective in their adherence to the Church’s moral teaching. It is sometimes claimed that dissent from the magisterium is totally compatible with being a “good Catholic,” and poses no obstacle to the reception of the Sacraments. This is a grave error that challenges the teaching of the Bishops in the United States and elsewhere
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rosary-center.org/ll46n4.htm

Catholics can not pick and choose what they agree with and what they do not
 
aprilfloyd said:
I have a similar feeling, when I watch tv, the movies, the radio, the internet, books, magazines, newspapers, schools, and all else without being subjected to the “heterosexual” propaganda.
I am not even mentioning the harm to children through terrible heterosexual marriages, broken homes and divorces.

The question is how can any rational person escape being inundated by the heterosexual agitprop? Even the president is a raving heterosexual. They are in our schools, hospitals - everwhere !!!
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Heterosexuality is normal. If there are deviations that is wrong. The problem with your post is that homosexual inclinations are disordered, heterosexual inclination is not.

Like comparing blindness with sightedness.
 
buffalo said:
]Fergusson said in the study: "Homosexuals had significantly higher rates of major depression, generalized anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, nicotine dependence, other substance abuse and/or dependence, multiple disorders, suicidal ideation, and suicide attempts.]
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I wonder how much of that is due to how society treats them? Maybe it would help if we gave them equal rights.
 
fix said:
Heterosexuality is normal. If there are deviations that is wrong. The problem with your post is that homosexual inclinations are disordered, heterosexual inclination is not.

Like comparing blindness with sightedness.
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Tut Tut Fix, Homosexuality is normal. Get over it.
 
aprilfloyd said:
I have a similar feeling, when I watch tv, the movies, the radio, the internet, books, magazines, newspapers, schools, and all else without being subjected to the “heterosexual” propaganda.
I am not even mentioning the harm to children through terrible heterosexual marriages, broken homes and divorces.

The question is how can any rational person escape being inundated by the heterosexual agitprop? Even the president is a raving heterosexual. They are in our schools, hospitals - everwhere !!!
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You cannot. It is natural law as well as divine law. Try as you may…
 
aprilfloyd said:
I wonder how much of that is due to how society treats them? Maybe it would help if we gave them equal rights.
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While some activists insist that such evidence of mental health problems among homosexuals is caused by the homophobic culture in which they live, a study by Theodorus G. M. Sandfort and fellow researchers seemed to indicate that this might not be the reason.
Published in the February 2003 issue of *Archives of Sexual Behavior,* Sandfort examined the "quality of life" of homosexual men in the Netherlands, arguably the most pro-homosexual nation in the Western world. The researchers said, "Compared to heterosexual men, homosexual men evaluated their general level of health and their mental health as less positive, reported that emotional problems more often interfered with work or other daily activities, that physical health or emotional problems interfered with normal social activities, and felt less energetic."
 
dandingo said:
If I want to be able to marry my 13 year old 3rd cousin and her 14 year old sister, simultaneously, both of whom are willing and able, can I start a Civil Rights movement so that we can get equal rights to redefine the legal age of consent?
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Sure, same logic as two men claiming to be married. Anything goes.
 
dshix said:
April, you don’t seem to understand the difference between “rights” and “licence.” Homosexuality is not a civil or a human right, because it is disordered. Things such as racism are wrong, and equal rights apply there.

Also, please don’t pull the “homosexuals are victims” card; it’s false. They get in our faces and offend us much, much more than we do to them.
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In the UK the legislation on ‘Gay Marriage’ was based on affording homosexuals the same legal rights as heterosexuals.

I think it is time to get over your position. I understand that your teaching may hold you back, but giving other humans equal rights is a progressive step and very much welcomed.
 
aprilfloyd said:
In the UK the legislation on ‘Gay Marriage’ was based on affording homosexuals the same legal rights as heterosexuals.

I think it is time to get over your position. I understand that your teaching may hold you back, but giving other humans equal rights is a progressive step and very much welcomed.
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You have no made your case. “Get over it” is not a valid argument.
 
aprilfloyd said:
In the UK the legislation on ‘Gay Marriage’ was based on affording homosexuals the same legal rights as heterosexuals.

I think it is time to get over your position. I understand that your teaching may hold you back, but giving other humans equal rights is a progressive step and very much welcomed.
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They have rights now. They want specialness. They want to act wrongly and demand all affirm their wrongness as normal.
 
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