Their support is not from.personal experiences, their support comes from the media portraying the stories of the “poor gay couple” which went to the hospital and one partner was not allowed to be next to his beloved life partner or make medical decisions just because they were not married ( which is nothing but a big lie), from listening to gay activist that marriage is a “right” and from hearing the story of “equality” (which is another lie) and that gays need to have “equal rights” and from hearing that poor gays are a marginalized group (when as very well said by justice Roberts, gays are in no way marginalized, instead that are one of the most powerful groups in society) and comparing gays with real marginalized groups like blacks and painting people that not agree with homosexuality as bigots and the same as racist. That is no personal experience, that is brainwashing. I myself do have personal experience because I have two good lesbians friends, so don’t tell me OS out of personal experience because on the same way that if a friend of mine is being promiscuous or cheating on his/her spouse, I can point out that that behavior is wrong, I can perfectly recognize that what my lesbian friend is doing is wrong.
Mary,
I agree.
Rossum, you state there is no objective Truth. So everything you have written is not true? Good, we agree on that
This is the crux of the matter: gay activists hate scientific enquiry and wish to block rational enquiry. They appeal only to the emotions
Prodigal I know that gay people have been bullied, some have even been attacked and that is, of course, not right and not acceptable. And I know that not everybody is bad intentioned, but I live in Massachusetts, gay marriage had been legal for a long time, Massachusetts is heavily a democrat state, liberal and believe here people don’t bother gays, they mostly don’t care. Massachusetts is in no a way where a gay person can feel threatened in any way, and here: the gay lobby has been fighting for years to eliminate the words mother and father from.school, which finally they did a few years ago. You cannot use mother or father in schools in Ma. They have been fighting against father and daughter dances (which they successfully eliminated in RI) and mother son picnics, have planned parenthood going to.elementary schools to give lectures to.children under 8 regarding homosexuality, etc, etc…isn’t that pushing it into other’s throat? If gay marriage is legal, accepted and nobody gets bullied because of it, why does a 7 years old need a lecture about girls giving mouth kisses to other girls??? That is the big I have with the gay lobby. If they are so well intentioned why do they want to take things away that the majority of people do and enjoy or live by? Is beyond ridiculous and non sense. And also, while I do know gays have been victims of abuse and in certain places and times been the Target of abuse, comparing them to the African American who were all enslaved, kidnapped, taken away from their countries, brought under inhumane conditions to the Americas, sold as slaves, and spending.thousand of years as slaves with zero rights (there has never been any law in the USA forbidding gays to vote or to buy property or sldenying them personhood) is beyond my understanding, there is no comparison between the two and I don’t think that recognizing that gays have never been targeted in the same way as blacks and recognizing that gays have never been enslaved in this country is fighting anger with anger, is fighting exaggeration with reality. You don’t need to exagerate and overly victimize to the extreme in order to fight bullying,
I agree that these things are beyond the pale. But to say that “the gay lobby” supports them is painting with a broad brush. Not everyone in the liberal media, for example, thinks that father/daughter dances should be forbidden. Far from it. But the more we fight fire with fire, the more we will get marginalized. If it’s an all-out war, we will lose. Maybe in 100 years we’ll be vindicated, but we will lose big time now.
I thought this was my point, so I agree. You fight bullying by picking out the bully, not the sheep that follow after the bully. There are real bullies pushing the “gay agenda”, but they are not every gay person, nor every liberal, etc.
I do not mean anything, since I do not accept purpose. In Buddhism there is no Creator God. We each set our own purposes in life. We can choose wisely or we can choose unwisely, but it is we who set our own purposes.
There is objective truth. Ultimate Truth is a lot more problematic. Objective truth can be contingent: “1 + 1 = 10” is objectively true, contingent on the use of binary mathematics.
Wisely or unwisely, eh? Well, if there is a wise choice of purpose and an unwise choice of purpose, there must be a standard by which to judge purposes – even if it is only a standard implied by the results of actions. So then there are objectively good purposes, relative to individual people in individual situations, no?
By the “use of binary mathematics”, you are simply indicating a code by which the meaning of “10” changes. Of course, if you change the meanings of words, you can change a sentence’s truth value!
On that we agree, and that is exactly what I meant on my original post about brainwashing, you have one big bully pushing an agenda, they use everything from newspapers, internet, media to get to the small sheep, the small sheep listens to it because it sounds “pretty” and is using words that reflect values, and the small.sheep thinks it is actually a good thing, and follows the bully without knowing any better. The problem here is that the big bully usually has money (and this was what Roberts was refering to) and is very good at lying and manipulating, so while is true that anger with anger is not good (two wrongs don’t make a right) I do think that lies need to ne fight with truth and what we need to do is recognizing the lies and tell the truth.
Yes, I think we should find the extremists, the bullies’ bullies, and use our leverage against them. And I think we should talk less about homosexuality itself, and more about – as you have been suggesting – the way that powers and principalities are able to manipulate people. Then when the truth about homosexuality begins to trickle out, and it will, people will begin to understand the historical forces that brought about this most recent battle of the sexual revolution.
Which is indeed the standard the Buddhism uses. What are the results of actions? Wise actions lead to happiness;unwise actions lead to suffering. We should choose our purposes to increase wise actions and to decrease unwise actions.
Correct.
The results of the purposes, or more strictly the results of the actions engendered by the purposes, are objective. The purposes themselves are subjective. Purposes are internal to the person. Actions are external to the person.
Correct. We cannot tell the truth value of a stream of symbols unless we know the meanings of the symbols in question. What is the meaning of “Ресторан”? There is an objective meaning, you can find it in a Russian dictionary. That meaning is contingent on reading the symbols as part of the Cyrillic alphabet.
Are you aware that the sexual revolution has made people less happy? They have more freedom, but less happiness. Nor is this surprising, since they have more desires to satisfy, and they have been told that happiness is the satisfaction of these desires.
Well, of course the results are objective. Events are objective. And I don’t care whether the purposes are objective; I’m not even sure what that means. But here’s what I want to insist on: the purposes have an objective property, that of being good, bad, or indifferent. They have this property because they are judged by an objective standard.
Your words are inchoate as stated. Human nature is not simply what happens to exist without relation to right reason. All types of deviations exist but that is not proof they are morally good or healthy.