Homosexuality as sexist

[Qoeleth]

I suggest that the recent rise of homosexuality is a reaction made by a patriarchical culture to the movement to give women equal rights. Homosexuals are trying to derive women even of the status in human relationships.

A homosexual is effectively saying “I can go ahead and have a sexual relationship without including women, without having the consent of a woman.” Homosexuality seems to be all about reducing the power and status of women- of making them unnecessary. I think, in spirit and effect, it is almost akin to rape.

Does anyone else see it this way?

 

[Poseidon]

What about female homosexuals? There are a lot of them too. Also, you seem to be forgetting that homosexuality is not a new thing. It’s been around as long as people have been around. And I don’t follow you on how it’s akin to rape - could you explain that please?

 

[Qoeleth]

What about female homosexuals? There are a lot of them too. Also, you seem to be forgetting that homosexuality is not a new thing. It’s been around as long as people have been around. And I don’t follow you on how it’s akin to rape - could you explain that please?

Sure- it is akin to rape in that it removes the aspect of female consent (i.e. love) from the sexual act. It reduces it to seomthing that is only about the desire of the male(s).

 

[ASimon]

Yeah, I don’t think this makes sense at all.

Would you also say that female homosexuals are trying to reduce the status and importance of men by refusing their advances?

 

[mitex]

Okay this is silly. Nowhere is this in the Church’s catechism which I’m pretty sure says something about unneeded discrimination. Nowhere do they say anything about this topic.

I like how people on CAF love to gossip about how dirty, nasty, and evil homosexuals are.
Of course then everyone’s going to gain up on me for defending them and say that none of this happens on CAF!

If you’d like I’d be glad to post links from the archives to prove my point!

 

[onjac]

I suggest that the recent rise of homosexuality is a reaction made by a patriarchical culture to the movement to give women equal rights. Homosexuals are trying to derive women even of the status in human relationships.

A homosexual is effectively saying “I can go ahead and have a sexual relationship without including women, without having the consent of a woman.” Homosexuality seems to be all about reducing the power and status of women- of making them unnecessary. I think, in spirit and effect, it is almost akin to rape.

Does anyone else see it this way?

I don’t believe in such a thing. Homosexuality is not some made up reaction against women’s rights. It’s a cross that some people have to bear.

 

[Robertanthony]

I suggest that **the recent rise of homosexuality **is a reaction made by a patriarchical culture to the movement to give women equal rights. Homosexuals are trying to derive women even of the status in human relationships.

A homosexual is effectively saying “I can go ahead and have a sexual relationship without including women, without having the consent of a woman.” Homosexuality seems to be all about reducing the power and status of women- of making them unnecessary. I think, in spirit and effect, it is almost akin to rape.

Does anyone else see it this way?

There is no such thing, IMHO. Being open about one’s homosexuality is more possible today in most countries as opposed to 40-50 years ago. Attraction is the key element. I don’t think 250 pound women are attractive, I have no ulterior motive other than the fact that I’m not attracted to overly overweight women. Don’t overthink things.

 

[Allegra]

I suggest that the recent rise of homosexuality is a reaction made by a patriarchical culture to the movement to give women equal rights. Homosexuals are trying to derive women even of the status in human relationships.

A homosexual is effectively saying “I can go ahead and have a sexual relationship without including women, without having the consent of a woman.” Homosexuality seems to be all about reducing the power and status of women- of making them unnecessary. I think, in spirit and effect, it is almost akin to rape.

Does anyone else see it this way?

I don’t follow your logic. They still have to have the consent of the other person.

 

[Curious_Seed]

I suggest that the recent rise of homosexuality is a reaction made by a patriarchical culture to the movement to give women equal rights. Homosexuals are trying to derive women even of the status in human relationships.

A homosexual is effectively saying “I can go ahead and have a sexual relationship without including women, without having the consent of a woman.” Homosexuality seems to be all about reducing the power and status of women- of making them unnecessary. I think, in spirit and effect, it is almost akin to rape.

Does anyone else see it this way?

A homosexual man has sex with a homosexual man as an expression to limit women.

Umm . . . let me think about that . . . intriguing thought . . . yes, indeed . . . most intriguing.

A homosexual woman has sex with a homosexual woman as an expression to limit . . . ?

Umm . . .

Well, therefore, homosexuality must be an expression to limit heterosexuality.

Yes, that has to be true . . . I mean . . . yes!

Yes, yes, yes, I see it as you see it.

Why I never saw this before . . . I’ll never know . . . thank you, for your luminescence on kinship to rape.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

I suggest that the recent rise of homosexuality is a reaction made by a patriarchical culture to the movement to give women equal rights. Homosexuals are trying to derive women even of the status in human relationships.

A homosexual is effectively saying “I can go ahead and have a sexual relationship without including women, without having the consent of a woman.” Homosexuality seems to be all about reducing the power and status of women- of making them unnecessary. I think, in spirit and effect, it is almost akin to rape.

Does anyone else see it this way?

Lesbians disprove you entire argument (which seems to be an attempt to flip lesbian as a political identity to be about men and then layer accusations about patriarchy).

(Perhaps) Ironically there were (are?) feminists who believed women should not engage in sex with men and instead should engage in sex with women as a means to disempower men.

 

[Poseidon]

Sure- it is akin to rape in that it removes the aspect of female consent (i.e. love) from the sexual act. It reduces it to seomthing that is only about the desire of the male(s).

Male-male sexual relations have nothing to do with female consent. There is no female involved, so there is no female to either consent or not consent. That’s like saying the Kentucky derby is a political move to disempower the ostrich racers. It makes no sense.

Also, homosexuals are just as capable of being in love as heterosexuals. Certainly there is physical desire, but it can also be an expression of love between the two men (it isn’t always, but straight relations aren’t either).

 

[Qoeleth]

Lesbians disprove you entire argument (which seems to be an attempt to flip lesbian as a political identity to be about men and then layer accusations about patriarchy).

(Perhaps) Ironically there were (are?) feminists who believed women should not engage in sex with men and instead should engage in sex with women as a means to disempower men.

But aren’t a lot of lesbians anti-men??? Doesn’t that actually prove my point.

Gay men are sexist against women.
Gay women are sexist against men.

Both are contrary to God, and proper gender relations- “male and female he created them”

 

[Robertanthony]

I think you’ll find misogyny and androgyny in both camps, perhaps more so in lesbians (just my hunch). It’s been said before that women’s sexuality is more fluid than man’s, so bisexuality is not that big of a deal for many women, and I presume having an overly negative male figure (father, stepfather) could play a role in a woman being exclusively with women. I don’t think it works quite as “nicely” for males, though, retreating to homosexuality because one is anti-women, as it were (it’s funny to be anti-women knowing you wouldn’t even exist without them), would probably be the biggest rationalization known to human kind ever since the Cro-Magnon has gone extinct. Of course, jail is a whole different issue.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

I think you’ll find misogyny and androgyny in both camps, perhaps more so in lesbians (just my hunch). It’s been said before that women’s sexuality is more fluid than man’s, so bisexuality is not that big of a deal for many women, and I presume having an overly negative male figure (father, stepfather) could play a role in a woman being exclusively with women. I don’t think it works quite as “nicely” for males, though, retreating to homosexuality because one is anti-women, as it were (it’s funny to be anti-women knowing you wouldn’t even exist without them), would probably be the biggest rationalization known to human kind ever since the Cro-Magnon has gone extinct. Of course, jail is a whole different issue.

If you want an anecdote showing female sexuality as more fluid just look around the forum, as far as I know all the “former gays” are women, heck Melinda is married with kids! As for the guys, no such luck.

 

[Robertanthony]

I think you’ll find misogyny and androgyny in both camps, perhaps more so in lesbians (just my hunch). It’s been said before that women’s sexuality is more fluid than man’s, so bisexuality is not that big of a deal for many women, and I presume having an overly negative male figure (father, stepfather) could play a role in a woman being exclusively with women. I don’t think it works quite as “nicely” for males, though, retreating to homosexuality because one is anti-women, as it were (it’s funny to be anti-women knowing you wouldn’t even exist without them), would probably be the biggest rationalization known to human kind ever since the Cro-Magnon has gone extinct. Of course, jail is a whole different issue.

Sic. I meant “misandry”.

 

[Baelor]

But aren’t a lot of lesbians anti-men??? Doesn’t that actually prove my point.

Not all of them are, so…

Gay men are sexist against women.
Gay women are sexist against men.

Please provide the study that proves this. Nothing in your original post suggests this. Homosexual people are by definition attracted to members of the same sex. Please establish how homosexual attraction makes you sexist.

Both are contrary to God, and proper gender relations- “male and female he created them”

Homosexuals are not contrary to God according to Catholic teaching.

 

[Qoeleth]

Homosexuals are not contrary to God according to Catholic teaching.

I meant “Both forms of homosexuality are contrary to God’s intended gender relations.”

 

[mitex]

I meant “Both forms of homosexuality are contrary to God’s intended gender relations.”

Homosexual acts are contrary.

Being a homosexual in itself is not. And the Church is clear on that.

 

[Qoeleth]

Homosexual acts are contrary.

Being a homosexual in itself is not. And the Church is clear on that.

Yeah, of course, by homsexuality I mean homesexuals acts. I mean you don’t call a person a paedophile unless they actually do something dodgy. So I wouldn’t call someone a homosexual unless they actually did something about it.

If someone is that way inclined, as long as the don’t act on it and don’t disclose it, then, as far as I am concerned, they may have the benefit of the doubt and are not homoesexual. And, if they do this, the inclination will proabably eventually go away.

 

[Baelor]

Yeah, of course, by homsexuality I mean homesexuals acts. I mean you don’t call a person a paedophile unless they actually do something dodgy. So I wouldn’t call someone a homosexual unless they actually did something about it.

Then you are simply wrong. A paedophile is a paedophile regardless of action, and a homosexual is a homosexual regardless of action.

The point remains: homosexuality is not sexist.