Homosexuality as the cause of the priest abuse scandal

[rpp]

Agreed]

Yes, sexual relations between members of the same sex is immoral and sinful.

It’s called hyperbole. That “solution” of permanently excommunicating and permanently excluding all homosexual persons from the Church seems to be the motivation for the large number of people blaming “homosexuals” for the scandal, especially when no solution is presented. It makes it seem like all homosexual people are somehow complicit or involved in the abuse that led to the scandals.

That is very exquisitely worded and exactly correct:

An authentic Catholic must believe both:
Homosexual persons are not evil.
Homosexual sexual activity is not morally permissible.

Considering everyone is a sinner…

Agreed.

Indeed? Says you. I was presenting it as a hyperbolic “solution” to the problem of homosexual persons becoming priests and diddling teenagers. No homosexual persons in the Church, no homosexual priests. Problem solved.

I don’t actually believe that, of course. I understand what it’s like to be same-sex attracted.

What solutions would you like to see to prevent further abuse?

So, you post what you do not believe and what you know to be false. That is not charitable. This will be my very last response to you. Ever.

 

[Zoe_Brain]

My response is just four words.

Drinking tainted Kool-aide.

Well, how can one argue with such a well-reasoned thesis as that?

Evidence please. Wishing something were true doesn’t make it so. If you think this group is not credible, please give some facts in support of that opinion.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

CA is not a playground for insults, remain on topic and cease with personal remarks.

 

[Abu]

In The Courage To Be Catholic, Basic Books 2002, p 50-1, George Weigel emphasised that “…the press was late, and then reluctant, to acknowledge the truth embedded in its own reporting, that homosexual molestation of teenagers and young men was the most prevalent form of clerical sex abuse….(The most knowledgeable social scientist studying these questions, Philip Jenkins of Pennsylvania State University, argues that ‘men with gay inclinations’ are found in the priesthood in the United States at a rate substantially higher than in the average male population…).”

Weigel saw the crisis as one of fidelity, and called for a full stop to the excuse of some bishops that they were being tarred with too much responsibility for the scandal.

The solution? As Weigel saw it clearly, the challenge to fidelity and courage posed by Pope Pius XI must be taken up: “Let us thank God that He makes us live among the present problems. It is no longer permitted to anyone to be mediocre.” The key to transforming the crisis he saw as faithful leadership. Within his four chapters on Reform which focused on Seminaries and Novitiates, The Priesthood, The Bishops and also their relations with The Vatican, he called for replacing “malfeasant, incompetent, or unorthodox bishops.”

 

[Abu]

**An Open Letter to Hans Küng (First Things)
Apr 21, 2010
George Weigel **
firstthings.com/onthesquare/2010/04/an-open-letter-to-hans-kung

A magnificent rebuttal of the gutter approach of Hans Kung.
Excerpt:
“I recognize that authors do not write the sometimes awful subheads that are put on op-ed pieces. Nonetheless, you authored a piece of vitriol—itself utterly unbecoming a priest, an intellectual, or a gentleman—that permitted the editors of the Irish Times to slug your article: ‘Pope Benedict has made worse just about everything that is wrong with the Catholic Church and is directly responsible for engineering the global cover-up of child rape perpetrated by priests, according to this open letter to all Catholic bishops.’ That grotesque falsification of the truth perhaps demonstrates where odium theologicum can lead a man. But it is nonetheless shameful.”
George Weigel is Distinguished Senior Fellow of Washington’s Ethics and Public Policy Center, where he holds the William E. Simon Chair in Catholic Studies.

 

[Darryl1958]

… The key to transforming the crisis he saw as faithful leadership. Within his four chapters on Reform which focused on Seminaries and Novitiates, The Priesthood, The Bishops and also their relations with The Vatican, he called for replacing “malfeasant, incompetent, or unorthodox bishops.”

Tenure breeds complacency and incompetence.

 

[sidbrown]

**An Open Letter to Hans Küng (First Things)
Apr 21, 2010
George Weigel **
firstthings.com/onthesquare/2010/04/an-open-letter-to-hans-kung

A magnificent rebuttal of the gutter approach of Hans Kung.
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Why is this a gutter approach? Is it not insulting to use that term?

 

[Abu]

sidbrown
Why is this a gutter approach? Is it not insulting to use that term?

Of Hans Kung’s diatribe, it aptly sums up, in one word, what theologian George Weigel describes as "authored a piece of vitriol — itself utterly unbecoming a priest, an intellectual, or a gentleman…grotesque falsification of the truth…shameful.”