Homosexuals and celibacy

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the key word is act upon…just as I may think about drinking alot…doesnt mean i should act upon it however another key is distinquishing intent love and lust…
a homosexual who has these inclinations (which has not been talked about yet) the Church says “This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial.”

this means when those inlcinations come into a soul with homosexual tendencies mind/soul they are not ordered, and are grave acted upon…

meaning those who are homosexual cannot act upon it, yet these inclinations are still disordered
 
however i will say in my apostleship and work…those remaining chaste are few and far between…

ive witnessed and seen it used as excuse by many…trying to gain legitimacy…
meaning a homosexual goes out and says yes i believe all that and then goes out and is on craigslist and is posting for homosexual sex…which i have found more than once
that is the problem of the Church…where do you draw the line

and now you have priests who are beign accused of sexual advances(sin)…

so please do no tell me the sin of homosexuality is in the Church, it is already is
 
the Word of God is comprised of two sources check the Catechism…
Scripture and Tradition (oral and written)

ill leave a site with both speaking on the sin of homosexuality

in the areas of Tradition there are interesting reads

scripturecatholic.com/homosexuality.html
 
here is what no one is talking about and as an apostle of Jesus He has me to tell all…

The Church has already established the inclinations and urges, passions are disordered and Not Truth. So this means that True Love is ordered is Truth which is man and a woman…
further…Jesus also demonstrates in the gospel Himself that a man can look at a woman and STILL sin without having ever done an outward act, correct…that is fact not opinion. In fact He says it is better to gouge out an eye than to be thrown into hell, implying GRAVE and SERIOUS MATTER
Since I am an apostle of His Sacred Heart and the Immaculate and in Union with Him. It is like this:

A soul with homosexual tendency, that has disordered inclinations and urges to be with another of the same sex can STILL commit grave sin in His Heart without ever doing one OUTWARD act. For all sin first starts in the Heart.
A man may view pornography without ever stimulating his gentials yet giving in in his heart after these urges and disordered love, self love it is called by the Saints.
So you may have a soul who has homosexual tendency that has done not outward sign to give into this act yet has already given in within and it is still sin…that is from Our Lord…
so to say and promote I am homosexual has already implied I have given into the disorder in my heart, this is indeed sin.
It is a disorder and a trial a Cross used by the Lord to bring a soul thru suffering more closer to the Light where the soul may then be freed of this sin.

Thus I have to go in and correct priests, bishops cardinals and so forth…this is how Jesus sees it, this is His Heart. Love ordered. Yet we are called to Love souls with homosexual tendency to help them see this Truth. One does not going around promoting I am an alcoholic with pride, not does one who has a panic attack disorder which I did before my conversion, come out with pride promoting such. It needs to stop today inside the Holy Church
 
here is what no one is talking about and as an apostle of Jesus He has me to tell all…

The Church has already established the inclinations and urges, passions are disordered and Not Truth. So this means that True Love is ordered is Truth which is man and a woman…
further…Jesus also demonstrates in the gospel Himself that a man can look at a woman and STILL sin without having ever done an outward act, correct…that is fact not opinion. In fact He says it is better to gouge out an eye than to be thrown into hell, implying GRAVE and SERIOUS MATTER
Since I am an apostle of His Sacred Heart and the Immaculate and in Union with Him. It is like this:

A soul with homosexual tendency, that has disordered inclinations and urges to be with another of the same sex can STILL commit grave sin in His Heart without ever doing one OUTWARD act. For all sin first starts in the Heart.
A man may view pornography without ever stimulating his gentials yet giving in in his heart after these urges and disordered love, self love it is called by the Saints.
So you may have a soul who has homosexual tendency that has done not outward sign to give into this act yet has already given in within and it is still sin…that is from Our Lord…
so to say and promote I am homosexual has already implied I have given into the disorder in my heart, this is indeed sin.
It is a disorder and a trial a Cross used by the Lord to bring a soul thru suffering more closer to the Light where the soul may then be freed of this sin.

Thus I have to go in and correct priests, bishops cardinals and so forth…this is how Jesus sees it, this is His Heart. Love ordered. Yet we are called to Love souls with homosexual tendency to help them see this Truth. One does not going around promoting I am an alcoholic with pride, not does one who has a panic attack disorder which I did before my conversion, come out with pride promoting such. It needs to stop today inside the Holy Church
I think you would be more persuasive by not referring to your status as an “apostle.” You refer to Church teaching and to scriptures and your reasoning seems fairly sound. Implying that you have some special union with Him (more than the rest of us) just makes you sound silly.
 
actually it does not at all read catherine of siena, theres of lisuex, teresa of avila, pio…to name a few Im working on several books about the path to union? Would i know how like teresa if it were not the case?

so not it does not sound silly at all.
It was stated to show that I do not right on my own accord but that he who lives in me, it is His work not mine…

God Bless

read a little more my brother keep up the good work
 
meaning it is on His authority I write, He that lives within me, not on my own accord…

I was asked by the Church thru obedience to this call, to being a spiritual director and writer, not my own will and accord…

God Bless brother

remember practice and participation lay in the heart of the man that flows to the surface of the soul in outward movement. you can certainly not take part in outward signs of homosexuality yet within already have given consent to these urges, spirits and unnatural desires…which is grave sin
 
private revelation from the Saints, and it is in Divine revelation that the Church will fall away from the Faith…

dividing over Homosexuality…that is why we must stand on the true Faith…

“The Church will be punished because the majority of Her members, high and low, will become so perverted. The Church will sink deeper and deeper until She will at last seem to be extinguished, and the succession of Peter and the other Apostles to have expired. But, after this, She will be victoriously exalted in the sight of all doubters. St. Nicholas von Flue (15th century)

“Among the strangest things that I saw, were long processions of bishops. Their thoughts and utterances were made known to me through images issuing from their mouths. Their faults towards religion were shown by external deformities. A few had only a body, with a dark cloud of fog instead of a head. Others had only a head, their bodies and hearts were like thick vapors. Some were lame; others were paralytics; others were asleep or staggering.” Ven Anna Emerich

“I saw what I believe to be nearly all the bishops of the world, but only a small number were perfectly sound…” Ven Anna Emerich

I saw that many pastors allowed themselves to be taken up with ideas that were dangerous to the Church. They were building a great, strange, and extravagant Church. Everyone was to be admitted in it in order to be united and have equal rights: Evangelicals, Catholics, sects of every description. Such was to be the new Church…” Ven Emerich

“… there is good reason to fear lest this great perversity may be as it were a foretaste, and perhaps the beginning of those evils which are reserved for the last days. Pius X

“Mankind must prepare itself for sufferings such as it has never before experienced.” This comment comes from the Pope who lived through World War I and World War II! He expressed dismay at what he saw facing humanity in the not so distant future, describing those times as “the darkest since the deluge.” Pius XII
 
private revelation from the Saints, and it is in Divine revelation that the Church will fall away from the Faith…

dividing over Homosexuality…that is why we must stand on the true Faith…

“The Church will be punished because the majority of Her members, high and low, will become so perverted. The Church will sink deeper and deeper until She will at last seem to be extinguished, and the succession of Peter and the other Apostles to have expired. But, after this, She will be victoriously exalted in the sight of all doubters. St. Nicholas von Flue (15th century)

“Among the strangest things that I saw, were long processions of bishops. Their thoughts and utterances were made known to me through images issuing from their mouths. Their faults towards religion were shown by external deformities. A few had only a body, with a dark cloud of fog instead of a head. Others had only a head, their bodies and hearts were like thick vapors. Some were lame; others were paralytics; others were asleep or staggering.” Ven Anna Emerich

“I saw what I believe to be nearly all the bishops of the world, but only a small number were perfectly sound…” Ven Anna Emerich

I saw that many pastors allowed themselves to be taken up with ideas that were dangerous to the Church. They were building a great, strange, and extravagant Church. Everyone was to be admitted in it in order to be united and have equal rights: Evangelicals, Catholics, sects of every description. Such was to be the new Church…” Ven Emerich

“… there is good reason to fear lest this great perversity may be as it were a foretaste, and perhaps the beginning of those evils which are reserved for the last days. Pius X

“Mankind must prepare itself for sufferings such as it has never before experienced.” This comment comes from the Pope who lived through World War I and World War II! He expressed dismay at what he saw facing humanity in the not so distant future, describing those times as “the darkest since the deluge.” Pius XII
Well I gotta admit you’re a scholar. My experience of the issue leaves it not so clear cut. But if that is of interest to anyone they can ask…
 
this new false Church arising out of Vatican 2 is seeking to protestanize the Church and already has…wake up Church

Stand for what the True faith says on homosexuality it is not to be accepted…I dont think our fathers would be accepted in this new liberal Church forming…

hear from our Saints and forefathers…Pope John Paul 2 did advocate strongly against it though…

from our Early Fathers…Tradition which is the Word of God…homosexuality is not to be accepted…

“[The men] have done an insult to nature itself. And a yet more disgraceful thing than these is it, when even the women seek after these intercourses, who ought to have more shame than men.” John Chrysostom, Homilies on Romans 4 (A.D. 391)

“All of these affections [in Rom. 1:26-27]… were vile, but chiefly the mad lust after males; for the soul is more the sufferer in sins, and more dishonored than the body in diseases.” John Chrysostom, Homilies on Romans 4 (A.D. 391).

“[The pagans] were addicted to the love of boys, and one of their wise men made a law that pederasty…should not be allowed to slaves, as if it was an honorable thing; and they had houses for this purpose, in which it was openly practiced. And if all that was done among them was related, it would be seen that they openly outraged nature, and there was none to restrain them… As for their passion for boys, whom they called their ‘paedica,’ it is not fit to be named.” John Chrysostom, Homilies on Titus 5 (A.D. 390]).

“If you [O, monk] are young in either body or mind, shun the companionship of other young men and avoid them as you would a flame. For through them the enemy has kindled the desires of many and then handed them over to eternal fire, hurling them into the vile pit of the five cities under the pretense of spiritual love. At meals take a seat far from other young men. In lying down to sleep let not their clothes be near yours, but rather have an old man between you. When a young man converses with you, or sings psalms facing you, answer him with eyes cast down, lest perhaps by gazing at his face you receive a seed of desire sown by the enemy and reap sheaves of corruption and ruin. Whether in the house or in a place where there is no one to see your actions, be not found in his company under the pretense either of studying the divine oracles or of any other business whatsoever, however necessary.” Basil the Great, The Renunciation of the World (A.D. 373).

“[H]aving forbidden all unlawful marriage, and all unseemly practice, and the union of women with women and men with men, he [God] adds: `Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for in all these things the nations were defiled, which I will drive out before you. And the land was polluted, and I have recompensed [their] iniquity upon it, and the land is grieved with them that dwell upon it’ [Lev. 18:24-25].” Eusebius of Caesarea, Proof of the Gospel 4:10 (A.D. 319).

“He who is guilty of unseemliness with males will be under discipline for the same time as adulterers.” Basil the Great, Letters 217:62 (A.D. 367).

“[A]ll other frenzies of the lusts which exceed the laws of nature, and are impious toward both [human] bodies and the sexes, we banish, not only from the threshold but also from all shelter of the Church, for they are not sins so much as monstrosities.” Tertullian, Modesty 4 (A.D. 220).

“You shall not be a corrupter of boys, nor like unto such.” Letter of Barnabas 10 (A.D. 74).
 
more from the Saints and Fathers(Tradition) part of the word cannot be ignored…anyone following me…how the Church in modernism since vatican 2 has allowed for the acceptance of this sin…it never was before why now? Vatican 2…they are trying to protestanize the Church, our Fathers and Saints warned us of the Apostasy were right in the middle of it Church prepare and get the word out…

Saint Augustine is categorical in the combat against sodomy and similar vices. The great Bishop of Hippo writes: “Sins against nature, therefore, like the sin of Sodom, are abominable and deserve punishment whenever and wherever they are committed. If all nations committed them, all alike would be held guilty of the same charge in God’s law, for our Maker did not prescribe that we should use each other in this way. In fact, the relationship that we ought to have with God is itself violated when our nature, of which He is Author, is desecrated by perverted lust.”
Further on he reiterates: “Your punishments are for sins which men commit against themselves, because, although they sin against You, they do wrong in their own souls and their malice is self-betrayed. They corrupt and pervert their own nature, which You made and for which You shaped the rules, either by making wrong use of the things which You allow, or by becoming inflamed with passion to make unnatural use of things which You do not allow” (Rom. 1:26). (St. Augustine, Confessions, Book III, chap. 8)

Saint Gregory the Great delves deeper into the symbolism of the fire and brimstone that God used to punish the sodomites: “Brimstone calls to mind the foul odors of the flesh, as Sacred Scripture itself confirms when it speaks of the rain of fire and brimstone poured by the Lord upon Sodom. He had decided to punish in it the crimes of the flesh, and the very type of punishment emphasized the shame of that crime, since brimstone exhales stench and fire burns. It was, therefore, just that the sodomites, burning with perverse desires that originated from the foul odor of flesh, should perish at the same time by fire and brimstone so that through this just chastisement they might realize the evil perpetrated under the impulse of a perverse desire.” (St. Gregory the Great, Commento morale a Giobbe, XIV, 23, vol. II, p. 371, Ibid., p. 7)

Saint Peter Damian’s Liber Gomorrhianus [Book of Gomorrha], addressed to Pope Leo IX in the year 1051, is considered the principal work against homosexuality. It reads: “Just as Saint Basil establishes that those who incur sins [against nature] … should be subjected not only to a hard penance but a public one, and Pope Siricius prohibits penitents from entering clerical orders, one can clearly deduce that he who corrupts himself with a man through the ignominious squalor of a filthy union does not deserve to exercise ecclesiastical functions, since those who were formerly given to vices … become unfit to administer the Sacraments.” (St. Peter Damian, op. cit., cols. 174f)…This is NOT being done since Vatican 2!!!

St. Peter Damian also writes:

“This vice strives to destroy the walls of one’s heavenly motherland and rebuild those of devastated Sodom. Indeed, it violates temperance, kills purity, stifles chastity and annihilates virginity … with the sword of a most infamous union. It infects, stains and pollutes everything; it leaves nothing pure, there is nothing but filth … This vice expels one from the choir of the ecclesiastical host and obliges one to join the energumens and those who work in league with the devil; it separates the soul from God and links it with the demons. This most pestiferous queen of the Sodomites [which is homosexuality] makes those who obey her tyrannical laws repugnant to men and hateful to God … It humiliates at church, condemns at court, defiles in secret, dishonors in public, gnaws at the person’s conscience like a worm and burns his flesh like fire…
“The miserable flesh burns with the fire of lust, the cold intelligence trembles under the rancor of suspicion, and the unfortunate man’s heart is possessed by hellish chaos, and his pains of conscience are as great as the tortures in punishment he will suffer … Indeed, this scourge destroys the foundations of faith, weakens the force of hope, dissipates the bonds of charity, annihilates justice, undermines fortitude, … and dulls the edge of prudence.
“What else shall I say? It expels all the forces of virtue from the temple of the human heart and, pulling the door from its hinges, introduces into it all the barbarity of vice … In effect, the one whom … this atrocious beast [of homosexuality] has swallowed down its bloody throat is prevented, by the weight of his chains, from practicing all good works and is precipitated into the very abysses of its uttermost wickedness. Thus, as soon as someone has fallen into this chasm of extreme perdition, he is exiled from the heavenly motherland, separated from the Body of Christ, confounded by the authority of the whole Church, condemned by the judgment of all the Holy Fathers, despised by men on earth, and reproved by the society of heavenly citizens. He creates for himself an earth of iron and a sky of bronze … He cannot be happy while he lives nor have hope when he dies, because in life he is obliged to suffer the ignominy of men’s derision and later, the torment of eternal condemnation” (Liber Gomorrhianus, in PL 145, col. 159-178).
 
more from the Saints…

Saint Basil of Caesarea, the fourth century Church Father who wrote the principal rule of the monks of the East, establishes this: “The cleric or monk who molests youths or boys or is caught kissing or committing some turpitude, let him be whipped in public, deprived of his crown [tonsure] and, after having his head shaved, let his face be covered with spittle; and [let him be] bound in iron chains, condemned to six months in prison, reduced to eating rye bread once a day in the evening three times per week. After these six months living in a separate cell under the custody of a wise elder with great spiritual experience, let him be subjected to prayers, vigils and manual work, always under the guard of two spiritual brothers, without being allowed to have any relationship … with young people.” (St. Basil of Caesarea, in St. Peter Damien, Liber Gomorrhianus, op. cit. cols. 174f.)

Saint Bernardine of Siena, a preacher of the fifteenth century, makes an accurate psychological analysis of the consequences of the homosexual vice. The illustrious Franciscan writes: “No sin has greater power over the soul than the one of cursed sodomy, which was always detested by all those who lived according to God…… Such passion for undue forms borders on madness. This vice disturbs the intellect, breaks an elevated and generous state of soul, drags great thoughts to petty ones, makes [men] pusillanimous and irascible, obstinate and hardened, servilely soft and incapable of anything. Furthermore, the will, being agitated by the insatiable drive for pleasure, no longer follows reason, but furor…. Someone who lived practicing the vice of sodomy will suffer more pains in Hell than any one else, because this is the worst sin that there is.” (St. Bernardine of Siena, Predica XXXIX, in Le prediche volgari (Milan: Rizzoli, 1936), pp. 869ff., 915, in F. Bernadei, op. cit., pp. 11f)

Saint Catherine of Siena, a religious mystic of the 14th century, relays words of Our Lord Jesus Christ about the vice against nature, which contaminated part of the clergy in her time. Referring to sacred ministers, He says: “They not only fail from resisting this frailty [of fallen human nature] … but do even worse as they commit the cursed sin against nature. Like the blind and stupid, having dimmed the light of their understanding, they do not recognize the disease and misery in which they find themselves. For this not only causes Me nausea, but displeases even the demons themselves, whom these miserable creatures have chosen as their lords. For Me, this sin against nature is so abominable that, for it alone, five cities were submersed, by virtue of the judgment of My Divine Justice, which could no longer bear them…. It is disagreeable to the demons, not because evil displeases them and they find pleasure in good, but because their nature is angelic and thus is repulsed upon seeing such an enormous sin being committed. It is true that it is the demon who hits the sinner with the poisoned arrow of lust, but when a man carries out such a sinful act, the demon leaves.” (St. Catherine of Siena, El diálogo, in Obras de Santa Catarina de Siena (Madrid: BAC, 1991), p. 292)

Saint Bonaventure, speaking in a sermon at the church of Saint Mary of Portiuncula about the miracles that took place simultaneously with the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, narrates this: “Seventh prodigy: All sodomites—men and women—died all over the earth, as Saint Jerome said in his commentary on the psalm ‘The light was born for the just.’ This made it clear that He was born to reform nature and promote chastity.” (St. Bonaventure, Sermon XXI—In Nativitate Domini, in Catolicismo (Campos/Sao Paulo), December 1987, p. 3; F. Bernardei, op. cit., p. 11)
 
more from the Saints…

Saint Basil of Caesarea, the fourth century Church Father who wrote the principal rule of the monks of the East, establishes this: “The cleric or monk who molests youths or boys or is caught kissing or committing some turpitude, let him be whipped in public, deprived of his crown [tonsure] and, after having his head shaved, let his face be covered with spittle; and [let him be] bound in iron chains, condemned to six months in prison, reduced to eating rye bread once a day in the evening three times per week. After these six months living in a separate cell under the custody of a wise elder with great spiritual experience, let him be subjected to prayers, vigils and manual work, always under the guard of two spiritual brothers, without being allowed to have any relationship … with young people.” (St. Basil of Caesarea, in St. Peter Damien, Liber Gomorrhianus, op. cit. cols. 174f.)

Saint Bernardine of Siena, a preacher of the fifteenth century, makes an accurate psychological analysis of the consequences of the homosexual vice. The illustrious Franciscan writes: “No sin has greater power over the soul than the one of cursed sodomy, which was always detested by all those who lived according to God…… Such passion for undue forms borders on madness. This vice disturbs the intellect, breaks an elevated and generous state of soul, drags great thoughts to petty ones, makes [men] pusillanimous and irascible, obstinate and hardened, servilely soft and incapable of anything. Furthermore, the will, being agitated by the insatiable drive for pleasure, no longer follows reason, but furor…. Someone who lived practicing the vice of sodomy will suffer more pains in Hell than any one else, because this is the worst sin that there is.” (St. Bernardine of Siena, Predica XXXIX, in Le prediche volgari (Milan: Rizzoli, 1936), pp. 869ff., 915, in F. Bernadei, op. cit., pp. 11f)

Saint Catherine of Siena, a religious mystic of the 14th century, relays words of Our Lord Jesus Christ about the vice against nature, which contaminated part of the clergy in her time. Referring to sacred ministers, He says: “They not only fail from resisting this frailty [of fallen human nature] … but do even worse as they commit the cursed sin against nature. Like the blind and stupid, having dimmed the light of their understanding, they do not recognize the disease and misery in which they find themselves. For this not only causes Me nausea, but displeases even the demons themselves, whom these miserable creatures have chosen as their lords. For Me, this sin against nature is so abominable that, for it alone, five cities were submersed, by virtue of the judgment of My Divine Justice, which could no longer bear them…. It is disagreeable to the demons, not because evil displeases them and they find pleasure in good, but because their nature is angelic and thus is repulsed upon seeing such an enormous sin being committed. It is true that it is the demon who hits the sinner with the poisoned arrow of lust, but when a man carries out such a sinful act, the demon leaves.” (St. Catherine of Siena, El diálogo, in Obras de Santa Catarina de Siena (Madrid: BAC, 1991), p. 292)

Saint Bonaventure, speaking in a sermon at the church of Saint Mary of Portiuncula about the miracles that took place simultaneously with the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ, narrates this: “Seventh prodigy: All sodomites—men and women—died all over the earth, as Saint Jerome said in his commentary on the psalm ‘The light was born for the just.’ This made it clear that He was born to reform nature and promote chastity.” (St. Bonaventure, Sermon XXI—In Nativitate Domini, in Catolicismo (Campos/Sao Paulo), December 1987, p. 3; F. Bernardei, op. cit., p. 11)
Just a word of advice, if I may.

I’m sure some appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut and your zealotry on this issue. Most lament the turn of events that has taken the secular world away from the teachings of the Church and consequently away from God. However, it does no good to the Church, or this forum, if you simply flood a forum with your views and biblical quotes. The catholic Church has a firm stance on this issue. These forums are for debate and it would be better if you engaged in debate rather than fill page after page of what you want people to hear. It is offputting.
 
There is a difference. When one commits adultery, there is obvious harm and hurt done to others through lying and betrayal. It is easy to see why such a choice is sinful.

I don’t see that in a committed SSA relationship.
Committed SSA relationships are rare as hens teeth. Homosexuals are notorious for promiscuity.

Promiscuity involves lying and betrayal and much hurt. Also let it be said, that if it wasn’t for modern medicine, hospitals would be overflowing with homosexuals in various stages of desease and incontinence. Homosexuality is a great blight and sickness on the human race. It harms society as much as it does the individual.
 
What I have said is from the Catholic Church maybe you werent paying attention to that.
And ill restate…all inclinations urges desires are DISORDERED( Catechism) whether homosexual or SSA, it means in Love which is ORDERED, is man and a woman, nothing less…

all these urges must be rejected…meaning the person having the same sex tendencies must REJECT and not act upon them…that is not opinion

to give into this urge via consent of the free will attached to heart of the interior man is SIN…

you can look at pornography and still mortally sin? without outwardly stimulating yourself you did know that right?
it is the same movement of the heart with souls who tend towrd homosexual activity…

and via this rampand acceptance since vatican 2 now you see every other week another homosexual scandal becasue the intent lay in a mans heart unseen…that is still sin…that is not opinion my friend…
 
And you would be surprised how many do not know in fact id say more than not someone had not read what i specifically posted…

but God bless you my brother
 
What I have said is from the Catholic Church maybe you werent paying attention to that.
And ill restate…all inclinations urges desires are DISORDERED( Catechism) whether homosexual or SSA, it means in Love which is ORDERED, is man and a woman, nothing less…

all these urges must be rejected…meaning the person having the same sex tendencies must REJECT and not act upon them…that is not opinion

to give into this urge via consent of the free will attached to heart of the interior man is SIN…

you can look at pornography and still mortally sin? without outwardly stimulating yourself you did know that right?
it is the same movement of the heart with souls who tend towrd homosexual activity…

and via this rampand acceptance since vatican 2 now you see every other week another homosexual scandal becasue the intent lay in a mans heart unseen…that is still sin…that is not opinion my friend…
The issue is of flooding the thread with post after post. It puts people off reading and debating. I get your message, but just don’t flood us out. OK?
 
I don’t believe it is truly Catholic to say that for “Johnny” to say he is gay is a sin. It’s simply an honest statement about his persistent feelings. On the contrary, for Johnny to commit to living a chaste, celibate life to the best of his ability and remain single, even though “it is not good for the man to be alone,” - that is heroic.

It is one thing to have read all the documents; it is another thing to know what a fellow human being is suffering. How are we as a church feeding them in their hunger to be loved?
 
I don’t believe it is truly Catholic to say that for “Johnny” to say he is gay is a sin. It’s simply an honest statement about his persistent feelings. On the contrary, for Johnny to commit to living a chaste, celibate life to the best of his ability and remain single, even though “it is not good for the man to be alone,” - that is heroic.

It is one thing to have read all the documents; it is another thing to know what a fellow human being is suffering. How are we as a church feeding them in their hunger to be loved?
I have no problem with this. I have a problem with assuming that it’s any more heroic for a homosexual to do so than for a heterosexual, who, though he may seek his entire life “not to be alone,” never find such a mate. This is the implication of this argument that is forever being raised: somehow it’s experienced as “more” a suffering for the homosexual than the heterosexual.

One could say that for the heterosexual, hope (for finding a mate) mitigates against the suffering, sustains him in the suffering. However, that does not take into account the painful ratio between hope and disappointment that the seeker of a (heterosexual) mate experiences on an abiding basis, as often as hope, effort, and openness disappoint in result.
 
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