Homosexuals don't expect new era under Pope Benedict XVI

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All persons are equal, but not all behavior is. That is a time truth.
 
They should not expect a new era under any Catholic Pope. They should either join a church that reflects themselves, or conform their thinking to the church that reflects the One True God.
“It is expected that we will always be told by the Catholic church that homosexual acts are intrinsically evil and disordered. We will always be viewed as people with a sinful lifestyle.”
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Yes!!! But do they truly get it? :confused: The Catholic Church teaches the TRUTH. The church wants you to get to Heaven! The church will never advise people to go against the teachings of God! You are loved!!! Sin is not!!! What part of that don’t you understand?? :confused:
 
All of these liberals need to realize that the church is never going to change it’s teachings on morality. I think that the quicker they realize this, and the sooner they either come to terms with this or leave the Church, the better things will be.
 
Allen537]All of these liberals need to realize that the church is never going to change it’s teachings on morality. I think that the quicker they realize this,
and the sooner they either come to terms with this or leave the Church, the better things will be
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what a truly christian statement for someone to make…
 
Pope Benedict XVI isn’t ailenating gays, theyr’e doing that themselves, being homosexual is one thing, acting on it is whats sinful.
If Pope Benedict xvi did allow this, then maye he would be putting his own soul in peril.
Homosexuality is an abomonation in the eyes of God, and PB XVI is responsible for the care of his flocks souls, if they reject that, well thats’ too bad.
 
:ehh: huh? the Church is only built on centuries of infalliable word. on Gods law. but naahhhh, hey the times they are a changin right??!! give me a break!! its them that needs to change, not the Church, you can love without alienating, however if we dont say “oh yes your ok, its only a slap in Gods plan, but hey go ahead get married, contracept, do whatever you want, hey! i got an idea, lets sell Christ on Ebay!” then the poor whiny babies are gonna feel alienated. why should we have to bend for them. im all for love and acceptance, TO A POINT! i would never refuse to help someone, or not want someone in Church with me just because they were gay, but we shouldnt have to change our values and belief systems so that they “feel” more accepted. GIVE ME A BREAK!
 
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LoneRanger:
Allen537]All of these liberals need to realize that the church is never going to change it’s teachings on morality. I think that the quicker they realize this,

what a truly christian statement for someone to make…
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A smaller, purer Church is not a bad idea. Why stay if one is intent on overthrowing it?
 
Why would the church change it’s position on this just because a new Pope has come to shepard us? That does not make any sense. The church does not change to fit the times and perversions of society just because society changes.

The church is not wrong, society is wrong in it’s acceptance of the perversion.
 
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A smaller, purer Church is not a bad idea. Why stay if one is intent of overthrowing it?
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The Church extends its invitation to everyone, only a few will truly accept it. The gate is narrow. By widening the gate do we diminish even more those that will get in?
 
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Allen537:
All of these liberals need to realize that the church is never going to change it’s teachings on morality. I think that the quicker they realize this, and the sooner they either come to terms with this or leave the Church, the better things will be.
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i dont agree with the Church changing her views on morality, however i would NEVER want anyone to leave the Church for any reason. i hope more and more people come to the Church to feel Gods love and peace and mercy. where would SO many of us be without Gods love and mercy. i did a lot of things im not proud of, im still a sinner, however i have found so much love and comfort and mercy in Church, that i can love myself, love God above all and change my life for the betterment of myself, my family and hopefully make an impact on the world. i hope the Church swings her doors wide open and lets all Gods people come in. no matter what. Change happens from within. within the walls of the Church, and within the body of Christ.
 
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The Church extends its invitation to everyone, only a few will truly accept it. The gate is narrow. By widening the gate do we diminish even more those that will get in?
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I was paraphrasing Cardinal Ratzinger, before becoming pope. He said a smaller, purer Church may be coming.

If people who are obstinate stay in the church with the intent on “changing” Her then we will continue to have the problems we have now. Why do those who publicly reject the authority of Christ stay in the church? They have influence over others and if they are not corrected they may lead others into error.
 
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TarAshly:
i dont agree with the Church changing her views on morality, however i would NEVER want anyone to leave the Church for any reason. i hope more and more people come to the Church to feel Gods love and peace and mercy. where would SO many of us be without Gods love and mercy. i did a lot of things im not proud of, im still a sinner, however i have found so much love and comfort and mercy in Church, that i can love myself, love God above all and change my life for the betterment of myself, my family and hopefully make an impact on the world. i hope the Church swings her doors wide open and lets all Gods people come in. no matter what. Change happens from within. within the walls of the Church, and within the body of Christ.
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That’s a lovely sentiment. But the fact remains that charity without truth means nothing. You can love people to death, but until they accept the truth, they are not getting the full benefit of that love. I love my children dearly. Yet, even if they rebel for years and bang their heads against the wall for days on end, I would not let them do something that could possibly kill them. Committing grave sin repetitively without being penitent is deadly for a person’s soul. The Church knows this. And it would not be loving to pretend otherwise. The Church tries very hard to accept all people. There are several groups in existence to help those suffering with the cross of homosexual tendencies. But if a person refuses to believe the Truth that homosexual sex is sinful, then what is the Church to do? Yes, we all commit sin. But as Catholics, we recognize that sin, confess it, do penance, and try not to do it again. These homosexuals who are upset with the Church don’t want to admit they are commiting a sin! They just want to be given some kind of waiver to live any way they want. How can we help them then?
 
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I was paraphrasing Cardinal Ratzinger, before becoming pope. He said a smaller, purer Church may be coming.

If people who are obstinate stay in the church with the intent on “changing” Her then we will continue to have the problems we have now. Why do those who publicly reject the authority of Christ stay in the church? They have influence over others and if they are not corrected they may lead others into error.
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So im curious, if say one parishoner believes another parishoner is not living a fully Catholic lifestyle, they will be asked to leave the church to achieve this smaller “purer” church? if so i think that will be a sad day for the Catholic community. i truly hope this never comes to pass, we should be looking to make the church bigger, not purge it and shrink it down.
 
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That’s a lovely sentiment. But the fact remains that charity without truth means nothing. You can love people to death, but until they accept the truth, they are not getting the full benefit of that love. I love my children dearly. Yet, even if they rebel for years and bang their heads against the wall for days on end, I would not let them do something that could possibly kill them. Committing grave sin repetitively without being penitent is deadly for a person’s soul. The Church knows this. And it would not be loving to pretend otherwise. The Church tries very hard to accept all people. There are several groups in existence to help those suffering with the cross of homosexual tendencies. But if a person refuses to believe the Truth that homosexual sex is sinful, then what is the Church to do? Yes, we all commit sin. But as Catholics, we recognize that sin, confess it, do penance, and try not to do it again. These homosexuals who are upset with the Church don’t want to admit they are commiting a sin! They just want to be given some kind of waiver to live any way they want. How can we help them then?
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No i absolutely agree. we should not accept their sin, but we should accept them and pray that through the Church and confession and one day if they confess their sins and do their pennance and change their ways, through the communion of Christ they may change their ways. thats all i was suggesting, i dont believe they should be married, nor do i believe that they should be accepted “as is” but if we dont welcome them how can we hope for their conversion of heart to love and obey Christ?
 
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TarAshly:
So im curious, if say one parishoner believes another parishoner is not living a fully Catholic lifestyle, they will be asked to leave the church to achieve this smaller “purer” church? if so i think that will be a sad day for the Catholic community. i truly hope this never comes to pass, we should be looking to make the church bigger, not purge it and shrink it down.
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I don’t know that anyone would be asked to leave the church. Who would be in charge of this modern day Inquisition? I think the issue is that we as individuals know that the truth will not change and if we fail to acknowledge and live the truth, well it’s out detriment. As someone posted on another thread, it’s not Pope Benedict XVI that sends people to hell. Some of them do it on their own.

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TarAshly:
So im curious, if say one parishoner believes another parishoner is not living a fully Catholic lifestyle, they will be asked to leave the church to achieve this smaller “purer” church? if so i think that will be a sad day for the Catholic community. i truly hope this never comes to pass, we should be looking to make the church bigger, not purge it and shrink it down.
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The Church was founded to save souls. It is not about having the pews occupied.

If there are groups who constantly, and obstinately, deny the authority of the Church, why do they stay?

I think the Pope was intending that as the Church continues to preach the truth, many may leave. That is not the fault of the Church, that is the fault of those that leave.

When Christ walked the earth many left Him and He did not chase them and say to return and compromise His teachings. He does not force Himself on us.

Groups that claim the title Catholic, yet spew anti Catholic error should have the intellectual honesty to leave.
 
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TarAshly:
No i absolutely agree. we should not accept their sin, but we should accept them and pray that through the Church and confession and one day if they confess their sins and do their pennance and change their ways, through the communion of Christ they may change their ways. thats all i was suggesting, i dont believe they should be married, nor do i believe that they should be accepted “as is” but if we dont welcome them how can we hope for their conversion of heart to love and obey Christ?
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I think we agree completely on this issue. My only problem is that I think the Church does welcome all people, homosexual ones included. The only ones who think we are *not * welcoming are the ones who stubbornly refuse to accept the Church’s teachings. They think we are picking on them or calling them evil. This simply isn’t true. However, how do we change the perception of these people without changing the teachings of the Church? It seems like a no win situation. Do you kind of understand what I am getting at? How do you welcome people who only want to be welcomed on their own terms?
 
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