Homsexuality and Child Molestation Linked

[Michael_T]

cynic:

If there is a proven psychological link between the two then you need to prove it, not make statements as if that were a given. Is this another excuse to make homosexuals appear as dried dog turd, the worst type of human beings, and if homosexuality and this are linked then why do straight men abuse kids at all.

The only indisputable link I can think of is between men and abuse, in 99.9% of the cases the abuser is a man.

Cynic,

I believe that homosexuality and the sexual abuse of minors are often, but not always linked. I believe this because in terms of pure percentage of respective populations, more homosexuals abuse, and each homosexual abuser attacks far more victims. That is a fact. So basically statistically speaking, homosexuals are more likely to sexually abuse minors (meaning persons under the age of 18) than heterosexuals. It is true that there are larger numbers of heterosexual abusers, but only because most people, apparently 99% of people are heterosexual. But the percentage of heterosexuals who sexually abuse minors is not nearly as high as the percentage of homosexuals. Essentially, this means that homosexuals are more likely to sexually abuse minors. Doesn’t that trouble you?

I understand that you don’t want to condemn an entire group of people as the worst of the worst. I don’t know if it’s reasonable to believe homosexuals are the worst types of people anyway. I would say that murderers, rapists, and child molesters are the worst types of people.

But I don’t think that what people are trying to say here is rooted in hatred for homosexuals. I think it is rooted in the fact that 80.9% of the sexual abuse victims in the priest abuse scandals were homosexual in nature. I think it is also rooted in the statistical fact that homosexuals are more likely to sexually abuse minors.

I would hope that all people here reach out in love to persons who have a homosexual orientation. However, I can understand the frustration Catholics and Christians feel when they are accused of bashing homosexuals because they believe with the Church (or Sacred Scripture for non-Catholics) that homosexual acts are acts of grave depravity and wholly incompatible with Christian life.

We live in a culture that is increasingly succumbing to secularism and the rejection of objective standards of human morality. Many homosexuals are working very hard to undermine respect for Christian values and shout down the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Specific segments of the homosexual subculture are actually agitating for the recognition and acceptance of sex with adolescents and preadolescents. They have organizations like NAMBLA and ask that society accept them as they are moving toward the acceptance of homosexuality in general.

Where will it end?

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[Michael_T]

I would never be cruel to someone because they had a homosexual orientation or even if they were living a homosexual lifestyle. I believe that we are all called to lovingly call others to Christ and living the fullness of the Gospel message.

I also believe that the homosexual lifestyle is highly addictive for those who are inclined to such sins. Because sexuality is intimately connected with the human person, objectively disordered sexuality causes deep confusion in the soul (whether that disordered sexuality involves homosexual activity or heterosexual activity). This is very dangerous. St. Alphonsus Ligouri, the doctor of Moral Theology in the Church said, “All who are damned are damned for sins of impurity, or at least not without them.” Our Lady said at Fatima that more souls fall into hell from the sins of impurity than any other sin.

All sins of impurity, sins of the flesh, are particularly odious in the sight of God. This is because they are a perversion of the manner in which God designed for men and women to reflect the Blessed Trinity. Just as the love between the Father and the Son is the Person of the Holy Spirit, so the love between a man and his wife is meant to bring a new human person into being. How beautiful that God graces us with the power to reflect him in this way! The animals do this too, but human beings do it in a way that is sublime because the human soul is unique in all creation. It is immortal and made with the destiny of eternal union with the Most High God. Moreover, God directly creates each human soul directly and unites it with the body in the womb (most likely from the first instant of conception).

I can see why the fallen angels would delight in tempting human beings to pervert this reflection of the Blessed Trinity!

Homosexuality is especially dangerous because it is intimately connected with a legitimate human need to love and be loved, as opposed to solitary sins of impurity, the use of pornography, and rape. This causes tremendous confusion in people and requires great sensitivity and compassion. The key is to help homosexual persons have these needs met in ways that are compatible with the way of the Lord Jesus.

I again encourage love, compassion, and prayer towards all homosexually oriented persons. However, it must be said that the most loving thing to do is to call people out of darkness and into the light. It should be done in the most loving way possible, but it must be done. Moreover, a parent who shouts, “No!” harshly at their child as they are about to drink kerosene or stick a fork in an electric socket isn’t being unloving. They are expressing an urgency because of an immediate mortal danger. Perhaps seeing the call for homosexually oriented persons as having a similar urgency might help those inclined to join the secularists with cries of bigotry and intolerance every time Christians attempt to share the message of purity contained in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

With prayers,

Michael T.

 

[cynic]

Before accepting any correlation between homosexuality and child abuse I’d like to know where these statistics come from, who funded the data collection etc. If religiouse lobby groups are involved then that automatically makes them dodgy. Basically accusing someone or a group of people with having a predilection to child abuse is the worst possible insult, and some christians motivated by disgust and hate like nothing better than to draw the connection.

as for that awful association NMBLA, whatever, they are paedohiles trying forward some sick cause under the homosexual banner. There are heterosexual child abusers aswell, does that mean all heteroseuxual men have this inclination too?

 

[fix]

There tends to be a popular thought that same sex attraction is exactly like heterosexuality, but just another variation. This is incorrect. This faulty reasoning is why some get angry when the one deviant behavior is linked to another devaiant behavior.

 

[Brad]

cynic:

Before accepting any correlation between homosexuality and child abuse I’d like to know where these statistics come from, who funded the data collection etc. If religiouse lobby groups are involved then that automatically makes them dodgy. Basically accusing someone or a group of people with having a predilection to child abuse is the worst possible insult, and some christians motivated by disgust and hate like nothing better than to draw the connection.

as for that awful association NMBLA, whatever, they are paedohiles trying forward some sick cause under the homosexual banner. There are heterosexual child abusers aswell, does that mean all heteroseuxual men have this inclination too?

The sources refererenced were as follows:

Alfred Kinsey
Archives of Sexual Behavior
Journal of Sex Research
The Gay Report
Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy
Sex researchers Alan Bell and Marin Weinberg

Hardly a collection of the desparate right-wing religous. So that defense of homosexuality is out the window.

Easy to make them “as awful as possible”? The goal was not to do that but to point out the facts which, I might add, are anything but easy to come by. The facts are largely ignored by the media. Homosexual acts are naturally awful as they are grave sins. That doesn’t make homosexuals awful, nor is there any need to make homosexual acts “awful as possible”. The reason why this data is important is because children need to be protected from false information and predators.

 

[larryo]

More good reasons why homosexuals must not be ordained. While it may be possible for a homosexual to remain chaste, placing him in the continuing presence of other males is simply putting the Church at serious risk and further endangering the soul of the homosexual. Homosexuality, whatever the causes, is a grave psychological disorder that can only lead to greater disorder. Let’s clean house and move forward to the new springtime of evangelization hoped for by the late Pope John Paul II.

 

[Brad]

springbreeze:

It’s funny that seeing as the highest proportion of abused children are females and usually abused by someone they know, uncle, family friend etc etc.

That may be true when you look at ALL of society. But that doesn’t change the fact that homosexuals are 6 to 20 times more likely than heterosexuals to engage in pedophila or, more specifically, ephebophila - which is still abuse of children. According to the John Jay report, abuse of females exceeded abuse of males under the age of 7. This was the smallest category of alleged victims. In the 8-10, 11-14, and 15-17 age groups, abuse of males overwhelmingly exceeds abuse of females. In fact, in the age group 11-17, abuse rates were 85.3% male and 14.7% female.

Does this not strike you as a potential crisis if 2 adult homosexual males are allowed to marry and adopt male boys?

springbreeze:

Per populous there are more straight men and women who abuse than per populous of homosexual men and women.

The statistics referenced show that is simply false. In fact, per populous, homosexuals are 6 to 20 times more likely to engage in pedophila or ephebophila than heterosexuals. Site all the references but site, most especially, reference #6 where of 229 convicted child abusers, 86% identified themselves as homosexual or bisexuall.

springbreeze:

Sexual abuse is an evil that runs throughout all quarters of society.

Yes it does. And it is more concentrated among the homosexual population.

springbreeze:

You might like to check this site out
prevent-abuse-now.com/stats2.htm#Offenders

Interesting site. Doesn’t refute anything here.

God Bless

Teresa

 

[Brad]

From the above posted link

Inmate interviews in 277 prisons in 45 states, conducted during 1991, revealed:
Of all prisoners convicted of rape or sexual assault, two-thirds victimized children;
Three out of four child victims were female;
Offenders typically preyed on children they knew, not strangers;
Eighty-eight percent had a prior relationship with their victims;
Prisoners convicted of attacking children were mostly male (97 percent);
Almost 70 were percent white;
Sixty-four percent were married or divorced;
Child victimizers were generally five years older than those who victimized adults;
About 22 percent of the child sex offenders reported having been sexually abused themselves during childhood; and
Three out of four prisoners who victimized a child reported the crime took place in their own home or in the victim’s home.

This doesn’t indicate age of the victims. That makes a big difference.

Irregardless, let’s say that 5% of the population is homosexual (which largely exceeds scientific estimates of 2.6% despited the mainstream media’s 10% myth).

Let’s say there are 800 people in the population. That makes 40 homosexuals and 760 heterosexuals. Le’t say there are 100 victims of child sexual abuse. If 3/4 of the victims are female then 75 are female and 25 are male. This means that homosexual related abuse occurred against 25 male victims by 40 homosexuals. Heterosexual related abuse occured against 75 female victims by 760 heterosexuals. This indicates that homosexual related abuse is more than 6 times more likely than heterosexual related abuse, using your cited numbers. You can change up the number of people in the population but the numbers come out the same.

 

[Brad]

cynic:

Then they are by definition paedopohiles. Who also may be homosexual. If there is a proven psychological link between the two then you need to prove it, not make statements as if that were a given. Is this another excuse to make homosexuals appear as dried dog turd, the worst type of human beings, and if homosexuality and this are linked then why do straight men abuse kids at all.

The much higher likelihood of child abuse by homosexuals versus heterosexuals is largely proven by the data.

Hiding behind victimization lingo isn’t going to work. It is the homosexual agenda that is forcing it’s will upon society, not society forces it’s will on homosexuals.

There is a difference between linkage and exculsivity. Alcoholics are more likely to beat their wives. However, not all alcoholics beat their wives and some non-drinkers do beat their wives. Irregardless, society looks down upon alcoholic behavior because of its propensity towards violence. In this case, we seek to help the alcoholic escape from his alcoholism

 

[oldfogey]

Maybe I’ve missed something in the thread, but most cases of homosexual abuse by priests have been to adolescents, not pedophilia in the strict sense, although pedophilia did occur. The movement in the media and “the culture” to destigmatize homosexual behavior is precisely to make more adolescent boys available by consent to homosexual advances by established older homosexuals. That’s what all the talk of “normalizing” the behavior is about: it is a means to an end, the end being a greater available pool of victims. The ground was trod well before, when contraception “liberated” women and “normalized” extramarital sex, with the result that heterosexual men now have a much greater number of women to have sex with.

 

[fix]

cynic:

and how many older men have married women half their age? are they peadophiles? How many 30 or 40 something men marry 19/20 year old girls? And what is the eternal truth here, that homosexuality leads to peadophilia?

The truth is that male homosexuals have a proclivity for post pubescent teen males.