honor of women in islam

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sister amy,its very easy to prove that women is 1/2 of men.neither why ur inheritance law said that daughter will get half of son of their father’s property?i think R_not was repeating because you couldn’t give him the perfect answer.
I ignore R_not’s posts by the way–and only read them and reply if I’m bored. So if you notice a tendency for me not to reply to him (or Verisimiltude, who I’ve also blocked), now you know why.

Now, in inheritance law, two things are considered–relationship to the deceased, and responsibility of providing for the family.

If a man dies and leaves a brother, and a daughter, then they both receive the same amount! A woman receiving the same amount as a man. Not half, but the same.
 
Well, you are still in the U.S.! Let’s see if all these ideals of yours hold up once you’re in Saudi Arabia!

Vickie
Yes, let’s see. Maybe I should just leave now and tell you all about it once I’m over there? 😛
 
A woman is not half of a man in Islam, please stop repeating it–you can’t make it true by doing so, and it only demonstrates your inability to progress in understanding.

I certainly have a choice about my husband–to marry him or not.

In many ways a woman’s attributes exceed a man’s, and in some the reverse. Spiritually both are equal.
You might be right - they are more like 1/4 that of a man since a man can have 4 wives and a woman only one.

Even Aisha, Muhammad’s beloved child bride, once complained to him: “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women” (Bukhari 7.72.715).

From Aayan Hirsi Ali, “Muslim religion is many things but it’s certainly not friendly to women,” she said at the European Parliament, warning the West that it "shouldn’t indulge in and buy fallacies from Muslims.

Hirsi Ali said violence is the most important obstacle to liberating women and must be eradicated through policies such as positive discrimination and education campaigns.

She also warned domestic violence is on the rise in Europe and proposed setting up a European court and an attorney general to deal with domestic violence cases.

(and while sister amy keeps defending the indefensible - she offers nothing to help other women who suffer under islam in countries under sharia law - where she stated that she wants to move to :D), Hirsi Ali has this to say:

“Women conceive and give birth to sons, but they don’t commit them to the noble cause of defending gender equality,” she told a seminar on combating violence against women. “The problem is the inability of women to draw up a plan on how to help women.”

some things from the koran:
Muhammad refers to it in a hadith that suggests that while men and women may have the same “innate character,” that doesn’t mean they are equal in dignity, for women are…crooked: “Woman has been created from a rib and will in no way be straightened for you; so if you wish to benefit by her, benefit by her while crookedness remains in her. And if you attempt to straighten her, you will break her, and breaking her is divorcing her.”

Ibn Kathir says this the requirement to deal justly with one’s wives is no big deal, since treating them justly isn’t the same as treating them equally: “it is not obligatory to treat them equally, rather it is recommended. So if one does so, that is good, and if not, there is no harm on him.”

Verses 15-16 lay down penalties for sexual immorality. V. 15 prescribes home imprisonment until death (unless “Allah ordain for them some (other) way”) for women found guilty of “lewdness” on the testimony of four witnesses. According to Islamic law, these four witnesses must be male Muslims; women’s testimony is inadmissible in cases of a sexual nature, even in rape cases in which she is the victim. If a woman is found guilty of adultery, she is to be stoned to death; if she is found guilty of fornication, she gets 100 lashes (cf. Qur’an 24:2). The penalty of stoning does not appear in the Qur’an, but Umar, one of Muhammad’s early companions and the second caliph, or successor of Muhammad as leader of the Muslims, said that it was nevertheless the will of Allah: “I am afraid,” he said, “that after a long time has passed, people may say, ‘We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book,’ and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed.” Umar affirmed: “Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession.” And he added that Muhammad “carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him.”

I could go on, but it is just more of the same - denials from muslim women and the facts of what is true.
 
On a different note,

The most loyal and monogamous people in earth are the Muslims, we do not date or screw around and we tend to be loyal to our spouses regardless due to our religious beliefs.
That would be almost funny if it werent so seriously flawed.
Polygamy is not even widely practiced.
The bad economy has affected many things, but if it turns around and Islam spreads further do you see a reason why it too wouldn’t be more widely practiced?
Compare this to the multiple partner dating/sex scene amongst most christian populations and the usual routine of dating, have sex, becoming boyfriend/girl friend for a little while.
Compared to what in Islam? Arranged marriages to teens who have no interest in each other…
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Breaking Up
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…saying ‘I divorce you’ three times…
Then starting all over with someone else, is appalling and morally disgrace full.
… then finding another one or three?
Most westerners/christians are not pure/virgins at the point of marriage and have multiple sexual partners as well as abortions etc
Human nature is likely closer than you realize or care to admit despite the forced separation of the sexes in Islam. When men and boys are stuck together becasue their are no girls…guess what often happens despite the veneer of purity Islam paints?
Morally we aren’t even in the same ball park, you aren’t a patch on us.
Now that is funny. Humans are more similar than the religions they profess.
 
I ignore R_not’s posts by the way–and only read them and reply if I’m bored. So if you notice a tendency for me not to reply to him (or Verisimiltude, who I’ve also blocked), now you know why.

Now, in inheritance law, two things are considered–relationship to the deceased, and responsibility of providing for the family.

If a man dies and leaves a brother, and a daughter, then they both receive the same amount! A woman receiving the same amount as a man. Not half, but the same.
Good - I can post the truth while muslims ignore me. I find it a good thing:thumbsup: to be ignored by muslims.

I hope that you can pursue your education as you say while being pregnant, and watching for a lot of kids - because that is the intent - to have uncontrolled birth rates and increase the numbers of muslims which is part of the jihad against us. To immigrate, increase birth rates, infiltrate our organizations, get sharia law established by 2050.
 
Shame on you for your low opinion of housewives! No respect!
i’m just saying that you are unlikely to get a career. especially not a teacher because of language barriers.

theres nothing wrong with being a housewife.
It’s a double standard here, where men think it’s okay for them but they want a virgin wife.
yeah its an unfortunate double standards.
Not really, because divorce is allowed (did you forget that part?) No trappings.
i did not forget. i said ‘trapped’ because theres too much hassle in divorce. especially in a culture where women are expected to be dependent on men.
On the other hand, instead of a man having girlfriends and affairs, he is FORCED to fully support all his wives.
In the west men are forced to fully support their premarital children.
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 840:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, “**Avoid the seven great destructive sins.” **They (the people!) asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What are they?” He said, “To join partners in worship with Allah; to practice sorcery; to kill the life which Allah has forbidden except for a just cause (according to Islamic law); to eat up usury (Riba), to eat up the property of an orphan; to give one’s back to the enemy and freeing from the battle-field at the time of fighting and to accuse chaste women who never even think of anything touching chastity and are good believers.”

It’s a MAJOR SIN, like I said.
thats about accusing a chaste women, you are talking about marital injustice. thats a world of difference.
 
Frankly, I think women who are “in professional porn” as you put it, are the ones who are abused, and oppressed. They aren’t exercising a right, they are the ones who are enslaved by the culture and society.
I think the same about women in Islam.
The only right which seems to exist is that of the man to be able to look at these women’s bodies. And that is a right which I will never defend.
Opposite end of the same spectrum and that makes you a hypocrite.
 
I hope that you can pursue your education as you say while being pregnant, and watching for a lot of kids - because that is the intent - to have uncontrolled birth rates and increase the numbers of muslims which is part of the jihad against us. To immigrate, increase birth rates, infiltrate our organizations, get sharia law established by 2050.
Why should pregnancy prevent me from learning? Kids go to school–I’m not intending to homeschool. Having a co-wife though gives me the opportunity to spend nights alone, while she babysits, and affords her the same privilege–perhaps time alone with the husband while I babysit.

Uncontrolled birth rates is not the intent. Birth control is allowed for Muslims (unlike for Catholics!)

That last bit about infiltrating and whatever… you should write a book, that is pure fiction! lol
 
“The majority of converts to islam are women, even in the heart of the west women convert to islam.” DEAR rayaan,i have 3 books named why i became muslim.but all those books are hot cake.muslim ppl actualy eat book not read.here most of so called converts are female.so don’t be to much happy with those books.actually ur muslim writers are trying to establish that islam gave the best honor to women.but in reality islam gave women a slavery life.
 
On a different note,

The most loyal and monogamous people in earth are the Muslims, we do not date or screw around and we tend to be loyal to our spouses regardless due to our religious beliefs.
How can you “screw” around as you put it, when you’re not even allowed to be alone together? How can you prove your real virtue, if it’s not really tested by temptation? All you have is virtue by “force”
olygamy is not even widely practiced.
Really???:rolleyes:
Compare this to the multiple partner dating/sex scene amongst most christian populations and the usual routine of dating, have sex, becoming boyfriend/girl friend for a little while.
How do you know this? Is this what is preached to you at the mosques?
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Most westerners/christians are not pure/virgins at the point of marriage and have multiple sexual partners as well as abortions etc.

Morally we aren’t even in the same ball park, you aren’t a patch on us.
Enforced “virtue” is not virtue, only the semblance of it, as is so much in Islam!
 
i’m just saying that you are unlikely to get a career. especially not a teacher because of language barriers.
Shows what you know. They WANT teachers to teach in English!!
theres nothing wrong with being a housewife.
Glad you think so.
In the west men are forced to fully support their premarital children.
No they’re not. Only forced to partially support them.
thats about accusing a chaste women, you are talking about marital injustice. thats a world of difference.
Well I said accusing chaste women and you asked for that hadith. So that’s the hadith I gave you. You should’ve said you wanted the hadith about a deformity for marital injustice. 😛

Here it is: It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever has two wives and leans towards (i.e. favours) one of them (over the other), will come on the Day of Resurrection with half of his body leaning.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2/242; al-Tirmidhi, 3/447; al-Nasaa’i, 7/64; Ibn Maajah, 1/633; classed as saheeh by al-Haafiz in Buloogh al-Maraam, 3/310, and al-Albaani in Irwaa’ al-Ghaleel, 7/80).

Also “Ibn Qudaamah al-Maqdisi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: We know of no dispute among the scholars concerning the fact that it is obligatory to treat co-wives equally when sharing one’s time between them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “and live with them honourably” [al-Nisaa’ 4:19], but favouring one of them is not honourable.”

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/13740
 
Booklover, think of it this way–Islam is a way of life for the weak and the strong. By avoiding temptation, it’s easier to avoid sin!

Didn’t Jesus (as) advise the same? If your eye causes you to commit adultery… ?
 
Why should pregnancy prevent me from learning? Kids go to school–I’m not intending to homeschool. Having a co-wife though gives me the opportunity to spend nights alone, while she babysits, and affords her the same privilege–perhaps time alone with the husband while I babysit.

Uncontrolled birth rates is not the intent. Birth control is allowed for Muslims (unlike for Catholics!)

That last bit about infiltrating and whatever… you should write a book, that is pure fiction! lol
I never said it would stop anyone. Catholics use birth control.

So, you say that our Christian societies have a problem with porn and such - what about the slavery of women, and also the kidnappings and forced marriages of so many girls to muslim males, and you might as well include the slavery of children - boys and girls - for muslim males to use and abuse.

Defending the indefensible is what is going on.

Why do you go against our federal laws and not obey them regarding polygamy? (I already know the answer - I just want to read it from you.)
 
Here is the sickness that mohammed preaches for his ‘honored’ women to do:

Men and women who are not related are forbidden by Islamic law to be alone together, but a man and a woman who are forbidden to marry each other – i.e., who are related in some way – can be alone together. Once a woman came to Muhammad and told him that her husband, Abu Hadhaifa, was angry because a freed slave of his, a young man who had reached puberty, “enters our house freely.” Muhammad told her: “Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear.” The woman later reported that it worked: “So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.” This directive gained worldwide attention recently when a cleric at Cairo’s Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, recommended that this could solve a problem in the workplace: a man could be alone with, and work with, a woman with whom he was not related, if the woman suckled the man and thereby became his foster mother. After the story got out and Al-Azhar was subjected to international ridicule, the lecturer who recommended this was suspended. Left unaddressed, however, was the root of his recommendation in the words of Muhammad himself.
 
Booklover, think of it this way–Islam is a way of life for the weak and the strong. By avoiding temptation, it’s easier to avoid sin!

Didn’t Jesus (as) advise the same? If your eye causes you to commit adultery… ?
Keep in mind that a muslim’s definition of sin is much different than ours. shirk is sin, for a woman to do whatever is forbidden in the male’s mind at the time - is a sin, but doing ANYTHING to infidels is a-ok! And that ANYTHING includes kidnapping, enslaving, torturing, deceiving, raping, stealing from and killing them.
 
I never said it would stop anyone. Catholics use birth control.
So do Muslims. Only Muslims are ALLOWED to by their religion, and Catholics aren’t.
So, you say that our Christian societies have a problem with porn and such - what about the slavery of women, and also the kidnappings and forced marriages of so many girls to muslim males, and you might as well include the slavery of children - boys and girls - for muslim males to use and abuse.
Defending the indefensible is what is going on.
Oh really? Muslims don’t enslave women–that’s not part of the world today, so not something Islam has to deal with. Kidnapping isn’t allowed, forcing marriages aren’t allowed, and children aren’t supposed to be enslaved either. SO pretty much all of that is against Islam. Defending the indefensible? I won’t defend any of it. Will you defend Catholic priests who abuse little boys!? Or will you say it’s wrong, and not part of the religion? Just like I’m saying!
Why do you go against our federal laws and not obey them regarding polygamy? (I already know the answer - I just want to read it from you.)
If there is no civil contract, is it really against the law?
 
Booklover, think of it this way–Islam is a way of life for the weak and the strong. By avoiding temptation, it’s easier to avoid sin!

Didn’t Jesus (as) advise the same? If your eye causes you to commit adultery… ?
How can you “avoid” temptation when it’s removed from you?

Vickie
 
Here is the sickness that mohammed preaches for his ‘honored’ women to do:

Men and women who are not related are forbidden by Islamic law to be alone together, but a man and a woman who are forbidden to marry each other – i.e., who are related in some way – can be alone together. Once a woman came to Muhammad and told him that her husband, Abu Hadhaifa, was angry because a freed slave of his, a young man who had reached puberty, “enters our house freely.” Muhammad told her: “Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear.” The woman later reported that it worked: “So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.” This directive gained worldwide attention recently when a cleric at Cairo’s Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, recommended that this could solve a problem in the workplace: a man could be alone with, and work with, a woman with whom he was not related, if the woman suckled the man and thereby became his foster mother. After the story got out and Al-Azhar was subjected to international ridicule, the lecturer who recommended this was suspended. Left unaddressed, however, was the root of his recommendation in the words of Muhammad himself.
The suckling is only valid if it happens >5 times, while the child is UNDER THE AGE OF 2! This has been the position in Islam. What the sheikh suggested is not allowed in Islam.
 
Keep in mind that a muslim’s definition of sin is much different than ours. shirk is sin, for a woman to do whatever is forbidden in the male’s mind at the time - is a sin, but doing ANYTHING to infidels is a-ok! And that ANYTHING includes kidnapping, enslaving, torturing, deceiving, raping, stealing from and killing them.
Shirk is sin in Catholicism as well, isn’t it? I mean, are Catholics allowed to worship other than God? according to your definition of worship, anyway?

but the rest of what you said is a baseless lie.
 
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