honor of women in islam

[ToddM]

You are very bright - never think otherwise. Anyway, the thing with having to know Arab is just a way to deflect that muslims themselves have translated the koran into different languages. It is also a way to deflect to the fact that many of their own don’t know the koran and what mohammed is all about because most muslims themselves don’t know Arabic.

The masses are brainwashed - and they are now infiltrating our schools - the ‘pray like a muslim’ hoopla in Texas (and also in California and elsewhere), or the MSA in our Universities (a whole series of articles on frontpagemag.com) tells us that we need to get that crud out of our schools or else we will go the way like Lebanon is going - a violent pig sty where Christians flee or live in bomb shelters. WHat helped them get there were their own appeasers - and also that is how Europe and so many other countries have gone - with the help of their own.

It doesn’t take a scholar to be able to translate the verses I posted.

and what I find is that just reading, keeping abreast of current news, is sufficient to realize what islam is all about. Now to get our young to do that before converting - to do their homework. to ask why did muslims dance and ulalate after so many died after 9/11 even if they don’t want to read the past and current violent history of islam around this globe. I would say that some are being swayed also by the fairy tales the movies and channels such as the History Channel, etc are saying about islam or its prophet. I have watched some of their specials and almost gagged. I emailed the station - and it is to no avail - they are being bought and sold by the saudis/CAIR.

If they did say something about islam or mohammed that was the truth - the death threats would abound - if not actually succeeding in carrying them out as with what happened to Theo Van Gogh. And what is happening to Geert Wilders and also Aayan Hirsi Ali, or even Mr. Rushdie. It would be better to say nothing than to spread the fairy tales that they do.

Anyway, I enjoy posting with you and you keep me thinking and digging into islam even further so that is a good thing.

Thanks, you get the point about qualified authorities right? There are linguists and translators for a reason, not to mention philosophers and theologians?

You get the point that if we are being so offensive, and are so misinformed, then where are the informers?

You get the point that you can’t cry ‘you owe me an apology’ and then if I don’t understand, you don’t explain? For crying out loud, if I wanted that I would get married again. Call me a sexist all you want, but most of you dudes out there know exactly what I’m talking about.

If the insurgent poobah’s are hijacking your religion, then stand up and educate. ‘Yes you are’ ‘No I’m not’ is for five year olds. Even they have been know to ask ‘why/how’

If your faith is being so defamed, and you love and cherish it so much, if you are to bring others to the right way then…

You tracking?

Again, the only reasonable conclusion is the most unreasonable.

The Bin ladens, Blind Sheiks, and others like them are the true faithful, the apologists, the evangelists, an the offensive defenders.

They are the competent ones. They at least commit, study, and don’t waver from what they find, even when it is not ‘politically correct.’

Irreconcilable differences. I respect them more than cafeterians, the faddists, the modernists, the relativists.

I just want to be as certain as possible that the spade is indeed a spade, and then proceed to put more holes in it if it is.

Sorry if that isn’t ‘nice’ or ‘peaceful’ but I don’t believe compromise with evil is a commandment.

Love thine enemy. You ever notice a tendency for people who really latch onto that to forget the last part. They are still your enemy.

 

[R_not]

The thing we keep doing is putting adjectives in front of muslim and islam. It is us Westerners that do that - not the muslims themselves. We are the ones who include radical, moderate, etc and we are confused between the seemingly peaceful ones who do not fight.

well, ‘seemingly’ is the keyword - they are indeed in a jihad and are told to support the jihadists and can do so by deceiving us as to what islam is. they also do it via muslim charities, and also by carrying on a somewhat peaceful jihad (political islam) by uncontrolled birthrates, immigration, infiltration, deception, demands and more demands, etc. And they started this in the 1960s with their infiltration of the MSA (muslim student association - that has a direct tie to the musim brotherhood, and saudi wahaibbism) in our Universities. And the infiltration goes on - and they use our laws, the ACLU, etc to say they are being prejudiced against, or some such nonsense.

No other group comes to the USA and demands that we concede to their ‘religion’ as the muslims do.

Oh well, this is off topic as it so often goes when discussing islam and its so called benign or peaceful front that we are supposed to accept so often.

 

[ToddM]

The thing we keep doing is putting adjectives in front of muslim and islam. It is us Westerners that do that - not the muslims themselves. We are the ones who include radical, moderate, etc and we are confused between the seemingly peaceful ones who do not fight.

well, ‘seemingly’ is the keyword - they are indeed in a jihad and are told to support the jihadists and can do so by deceiving us as to what islam is. they also do it via muslim charities, and also by carrying on a somewhat peaceful jihad (political islam) by uncontrolled birthrates, immigration, infiltration, deception, demands and more demands, etc. And they started this in the 1960s with their infiltration of the MSA (muslim student association - that has a direct tie to the musim brotherhood, and saudi wahaibbism) in our Universities. And the infiltration goes on - and they use our laws, the ACLU, etc to say they are being prejudiced against, or some such nonsense.

No other group comes to the USA and demands that we concede to their ‘religion’ as the muslims do.

Oh well, this is off topic as it so often goes when discussing islam and its so called benign or peaceful front that we are supposed to accept so often.

It is very on topic. Again, if you do not clearly state what Islam isnot, and what Islam is, then how can you discuss how woman are treated within it? You have to determine the ‘it’ first. Context.

I don’t believe all people who profess to be Muslim are intentionally
part of the agenda. There are the ill informed, the delusional, and the wishful thinkers everywhere.

Is everyone who claims to be Catholic, Catholic?

Who are the real Catholics?

What is a real Christian?

Are the ‘conservative’ Catholics the ‘terrorists’ ?

How about cafeteria kaabists?

Christians are monarchists, if you think about it, and we are all ‘insurgents’ as far as ‘the world’ is concerned.

We just don’t use the same weapons, or serve the wrong guy, in the wrong way. If we do we undermine ourselves.

Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?

 

[Sister_Amy]

As for the paternity, fair enough. Sexually, I am not sure. One woman could keep multiple men happy.

WHat if a man with two wives wanted to fool around with both of them at the same time/

That would be forbidden, and totally inappropriate behavior.

Fair enough. It is common that a woman in SA needs her male relative’s permission to travel to Mecca, for example, right?

Here’s the thing. How would you feel if your wife decided to travel somewhere, and she didn’t tell you about it, she just left? And then something happened to her? I am not sure how this “permission” thing is enforced in KSA, and honestly I think they overexaggerate it, so I won’t defend them entirely as I think they are extreme on this issue. However, please just look at where they are coming from. A man is responsible for taking care of his family. It is his responsibility to keep them safe. And if a woman is going out and about without telling her husband, it MIGHT not be safe, and ESPECIALLY if she is travelling a long distance.

And if she is travelling a long distance, there are things which need to be considered–what if he needs her there for some reason? What if the children will need her there? Will any children be taken care of? How long will she be gone and does she have safe travel and lodging arrangements? Getting “permission” from the husband is not supposed to be a restriction which limits the freedom of movement for women, it’s supposed to be natural communication between a husband and a wife.

I think I have heard some scholars say that a woman does NOT necessarily need her male relative’s approval to go on HAJJ, but I think it’s the minority opinion. He is supposed to let her, though, which most agree on. The other issue is travelling alone, and the scholars disagree on that as well.

But I want this point to sink in–there is supposed to be communication and consultatoin between a husband and a wife. It’s not sensible that one would leave without telling the other, and especially as the husband is in charge of taking care of the wife, it’s proper that a woman tell her husband of her intentions to travel and that if she is able to do so safely without damaging himself or the family in the process, he ought to allow her.

So her money is her money and he, and the family, are not entitled to it? Even in a divorce?

Correct. Any penny she earns from working, or anything she inherits, belongs to her alone. If she dies, then her husband and children may inherit from her, naturally, but they have no entitlement to it while she is alive, not even during a divorce. The only exception is the dowry–a man gives a woman a sum of money as a gift at the beginning of the marriage. If the woman initiates the divorce, she returns it, but if the man initiates the divorce, she keeps it. The man pays to support her for 3 months or so and then she’s on her own (returns to family), but the man should continue to pay for the support of the children.

The property is not split in a divorce like it is here in the West. Imagine the injustice of a man who would marry a woman simply to gain her wealth. He could marry, and then divorce her, and get half her money! That’s not fair at all, is it?

 

[Sister_Amy]

I am going to have to throw a flag on this one. According to all of the Human rights groups, Muslim nations are the largest contributers to the slave trade that exists. WOmen and Children are enslaved in Muslim Africa daily. Even the UN says that. They are not the driving force behind white slavery (sex trade slavery), which is more dominated by Russia

That may not be part of Muslim teaching, but it occures.

Are men enslaved as well, then? In the same countries where women are mutilated in their childhood, where they are raped by soldiers? There is no defense of that. It’s just wrong, in everyone’s book, and for the love of God it needs to be stopped.

 

[Sister_Amy]

“Am not!”
“Are too!”

Ad infinitum

That is so clever, and concise! Can we expect more such gems from you in the near future?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Quote:
In the west men are forced to fully support their premarital children.

No they’re not. Only forced to partially support them.

But you asserted that we should take your word because you are a Muslim woman among same.

How is this any different?

I live in the USA, and my niece’s parents are no longer married to each other, they divorce and have both remarried.

The difference here is simple fact.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Says who?

Says God.

 

[Sister_Amy]

If your faith is being so defamed, and you love and cherish it so much, if you are to bring others to the right way then…

You tracking?

Again, the only reasonable conclusion is the most unreasonable.

The Bin ladens, Blind Sheiks, and others like them are the true faithful, the apologists, the evangelists, an the offensive defenders.

They are the competent ones. They at least commit, study, and don’t waver from what they find, even when it is not ‘politically correct.’

Irreconcilable differences. I respect them more than cafeterians, the faddists, the modernists, the relativists.

I just want to be as certain as possible that the spade is indeed a spade, and then proceed to put more holes in it if it is.

Sorry if that isn’t ‘nice’ or ‘peaceful’ but I don’t believe compromise with evil is a commandment.

Love thine enemy. You ever notice a tendency for people who really latch onto that to forget the last part. They are still your enemy.

Great article for you. newsweek.com/id/139433

The vast majority of Muslims disagree with your conclusion. The vast majority of Muslims read the Qur’an but don’t agree with bin Laden. The vast majority pray for peace from AS-SALAAM!

The bin Ladens of the world–well more than him the Zawahiris–are the “cafeterians.” They are the ones who pick and choose from the religion what they want. They are the ones who deny 13 years of Prophetic teachings, and then from the remaining 10 only pick what suits their agenda. That is the “cafeterianism,” isn’t it? Indeed.

 

[ToddM]

That is so clever, and concise! Can we expect more such gems from you in the near future?

I just want to know the truth, or at least abstinence f/obfuscation.

Thanks for ' ’ I guess. It is a bit difficult to assess the ‘spirit’ of a communication when the majority of human interaction isn’t what is said, but how.

This is good to keep in mind ‘here’ especially. Smiles and Icons only do so much, better than nothing though.

No matter what your real ‘stance’ or motives, I do at least respect your attempts in the face of periodic adversity.

If it makes you feel any ‘better’, and some here would do well to remember this, including myself, many people believe that they hate Catholics as well, and believe many wrong things about us.

I don’t want to do that to someone else. That would make me a hypocrite, and displease who I believe the truth to be.

 

[ToddM]

I live in the USA, and my niece’s parents are no longer married to each other, they divorce and have both remarried.

The difference here is simple fact.

… yeah, about those ‘fact’ things…

 

[Sister_Amy]

… yeah, about those ‘fact’ things…

I’m not a scholar, and I have never claimed to be one. My knowledge of Islam is deficient in many regards and I often proclaim that I do not know the answer to a question.

But on this particular topic–women in Islam–scholarly knowledge isn’t what I attempt to convey as much as I do my perspective. And that is where I promote the value of talking to me–a Muslim woman–over non-Muslim men whose interaction with Muslims is minimal.

I’ve read these sites–faithfreedom, frontpagemag, islamreview, etc., you’re not going to surprise me with what they say. But it’s my OPINION that they don’t prove anything about Islam, really. What they do (FACT) is pull quotes out of context, with varying degrees of authenticity, and then (MY OPINION) describe the “worst case scenario” implementation of those quotes.

I try to offer you the context, the authenticity (to be fair, it is very seldom that non-authentic quotes are brought up here), and the proper implementation in society, and then how I feel about it, and then how it isn’t so evil as it those sites suggested.

 

[ToddM]

I’m not a scholar, and I have never claimed to be one. My knowledge of Islam is deficient in many regards and I often proclaim that I do not know the answer to a question.

But on this particular topic–women in Islam–scholarly knowledge isn’t what I attempt to convey as much as I do my perspective. And that is where I promote the value of talking to me–a Muslim woman–over non-Muslim men whose interaction with Muslims is minimal.

I’ve read these sites–faithfreedom, frontpagemag, islamreview, etc., you’re not going to surprise me with what they say. But it’s my OPINION that they don’t prove anything about Islam, really. What they do (FACT) is pull quotes out of context, with varying degrees of authenticity, and then (MY OPINION) describe the “worst case scenario” implementation of those quotes.

I try to offer you the context, the authenticity (to be fair, it is very seldom that non-authentic quotes are brought up here), and the proper implementation in society, and then how I feel about it, and then how it isn’t so evil as it those sites suggested.

Regarding the ‘says who’. The sheik implied something different.
Which Muslim is correct? Again, what or who decides who is correct in this particular at least? What makes your position correct? He could respond ‘Says God’ as well, you tracking?

As to these sources, sure, everyone knows that the media is 100% accurate all the time but, and I keep asking around, and not
just here, where are Islam’s ‘Big Guns?’

You work with what you have. You have better? Where are the people to refute these people, I mean really, rationally thoroughly trounce them? If what you believe is true, then reason will support it, reason and facts.

From what I ‘know’ of Islam, if I believed it to be true then I would be an insurgent, I would believe myself to be obligated.

Maybe it is some software thing, like quoting the catechism to a protestant, but the Muslims I have asked the same kinds of questions give the same type of non-responses. They come across as evasiveness.

This is a problem.

 

[ToddM]

Regarding the ‘says who’. The sheik implied something different.
Which Muslim is correct? Again, what or who decides who is correct in this particular at least? What makes your position correct? He could respond ‘Says God’ as well, you tracking?

As to these sources, sure, everyone knows that the media is 100% accurate all the time but, and I keep asking around, and not
just here, where are Islam’s ‘Big Guns?’

You work with what you have. You have better? Where are the people to refute these people, I mean really, rationally thoroughly trounce them? If what you believe is true, then reason will support it, reason and facts.

From what I ‘know’ of Islam, if I believed it to be true then I would be an insurgent, I would believe myself to be obligated.

Maybe it is some software thing, like quoting the catechism to a protestant, but the Muslims I have asked the same kinds of questions give the same type of non-responses. They come across as evasiveness.

This is a problem.

Do you get how ‘feelings’ and ‘opinions’ are dubious at best, at least when unsupported, especially in this environment. Especially
when there are such people as sleepers, Muslim and otherwise.

 

[Sam_777]

The most loyal and monogamous people in earth are the Muslims, we do not date or screw around and we tend to be loyal to our spouses regardless due to our religious beliefs.

So are the devoted Christians.

Polygamy is not even widely practiced.

No, its widely practiced in the Islamic world particularly in Saudi Arabia (The source of Islam), here is a link to one man who married 58 times.

Compare this to the multiple partner dating/sex scene amongst most christian populations and the usual routine of dating, have sex, becoming boyfriend/girl friend for a little while.
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Breaking Up
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Then starting all over with someone else, is appalling and morally disgrace full.

Well, since I’m not living in a western country, I can’t judge on that, but from reading the Family Life forum, I think you could be right on that but only for those pretending to be Christians, since illegal sex is considered a mortal sin in Christianity, but I think devoted Christians are not doing such things, and I think they can answer that better than me.

Most westerners/christians are not pure/virgins at the point of marriage and have multiple sexual partners as well as abortions etc

Maybe you can revise that to westerners/secular people and remove Christians from that, but again from reading the Family Life forum, I somehow see people don’t care about virginity, I personally think devoted Christians should really make something here, virginity is the most valuable thing the person has, once lost, logically it can’t be restored, however, out of all living people on earth, I have full respect for virgin Nuns because of their virginity, and I personally have the virgin Nuns in the top rank second only to Virgin Mary.

Having said that, we shouldn’t also forget that such things also happen in the Islamic world, but we would tend to hide it from the news and the public, per this Hadith:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43, Number 622:
"Allah’s Apostle said, "A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, so he should not oppress him, nor should he hand him over to an oppressor. Whoever fulfilled the needs of his brother, Allah will fulfill his needs; whoever brought his (Muslim) brother out of a discomfort, Allah will bring him out of the discomforts of the Day of Resurrection, and whoever screened a Muslim, Allah will screen him on the Day of Resurrection ."
(E)
(A)

 

[planten]

So are the devoted Christians.

No, its widely practiced in the Islamic world particularly in Saudi Arabia (The source of Islam), here is a link to one man who married 58 times.

**I have no time to visit and read the article. If a man married then he may have have married 58 ladies over a period of time and may never have married more than four at any time. So he followed a law. he was careful. there is no sin, no crime. There is no extra marital sex involved.

But I do not know who are those people in Paris and Hamburg and other places who are sunk deep in sex all the time. If they are not christians then I believe there are no christians in the world now.

Of course there are well behaving christians too who are pious. But look at what is openly going on. I have privatel (reliable) example of free sex in the christians. So please do not run after that man who married 58 wives…**.

Well, since I’m not living in a western country, I can’t judge on that, but from reading the Family Life forum, I think you could be right on that but only for those pretending to be Christians, since illegal sex is considered a mortal sin in Christianity, but I think devoted Christians are not doing such things, and I think they can answer that better than me.

Sam it is open knowledge. The illegal sex that is going on in the predominantly christian coutries is not any secret. Please admit it or ask any one who has visited those countries.

Maybe you can revise that to westerners/secular people and remove Christians from that, but again from reading the Family Life forum, I somehow see people don’t care about virginity, I personally think devoted Christians should really make something here, virginity is the most valuable thing the person has, once lost, logically it can’t be restored, however, out of all living people on earth, I have full respect for virgin Nuns because of their virginity, and I personally have the virgin Nuns in the top rank second only to Virgin Mary

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** That is right. But our Muslims concept of virginity may be different to yours. We do not believe in unmarried fathers and unmarried mothers. We believe that if a lady had been virgin till her marriage and meeting with her husband then she will be considered as a virgin for life. After that, even if she bears children, it is alright. She will be a virgin all her life.

Same was the case of Mary, the mother of Jesus who was a virgin. She gave birth to other children too. Still she is to be considered as a virgin. If you have a different opinion then please tell it. We respect the mother of Jesus very much. Her life is not described in the bible. We have much better decription of her birth and later life in the Quran in a most beautiful way.

Allah has given the example of all believers (men and women) by Mary, the mother of Jesus. The devil even never tempted her**.

Having said that, we shouldn’t also forget that such things also happen in the Islamic world, but we would tend to hide it from the news and the public, per this Hadith:
*Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43, Number 622:
"Allah’s Apostle said, “A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, so he should not oppress him, nor should he hand him over to an oppressor. Whoever fulfilled the needs of his brother, Allah will fulfill his needs; whoever brought his (Muslim) brother out of a discomfort, Allah will bring him out of the discomforts of the Day of Resurrection, and whoever screened a Muslim, Allah will screen him on the Day of Resurrection *.”
(E)
(A)

**Please do not use our Hadith against us. Leave that to us unless something specific is mentioned in it (which in this case is not).

We do not say there is no sex in the muslim countries. There is some. And many of the Muslims do it in the western countries too. They are not pious people. But look at the scale and ratio. There is great difference in the horrible condition of western christian countries where there is open sex and gambling and drinking at a large scale. It will hurt and harm the christianity. But can they control it now? Not possible**.

 

[Sam_777]

I have no time to visit and read the article. If a man married then he may have have married 58 ladies over a period of time and may never have married mor ethan four at any time. So he followed a law. he was careful. there is no sin, no crime. There is no extra marital sex involved.

You mean legal polygamy by Islamic law.
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But I do not who are those people in Paris and Hamburg and other places who are sunk deep in sex all the time. If they are not christians then I believe there are no christians in the world now.

Those are not devoted Christians.
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The illegal sex that is going on the predominantly christian coutries is not any secret. Please admit it or ask any one who has visited those countires.

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Please those are secular countries NOT Christians, there is only one Christian city, which is The Vatican, if such things happen there, then you are totally right.

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Please do not use our Hadith against us. Leave that to us unless something specific is mentioned in it (which in this case is not).

Amazing how you want to hide the truth, that hadith is primary used to hide our sins in the Islamic world.
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We do not say there is no sex in the muslim countries. There is some. And many of the Muslims do it in the western countries too. They are not pious people. But look at the scale and ratio. There is great difference in the horrible condition of western christian countries where there is open sex and gambling and drinking at alrge scale. It will hurt and harm the christianity. But can they control it now? Not possible.

Now I agree with you, when you say western countries then yes the ratio is much higher there, I pray to God The Most High to show them the true path.

 

[ToddM]

**I have no time to visit and read the article. If a man married then he may have have married 58 ladies over a period of time and may never have married more than four at any time. So he followed a law. he was careful. there is no sin, no crime. There is no extra marital sex involved.

But I do not know who are those people in Paris and Hamburg and other places who are sunk deep in sex all the time. If they are not christians then I believe there are no christians in the world now.

Of course there are well behaving christians too who are pious. But look at what is openly going on. I have privatel (reliable) example of free sex in the christians. So please do not run after that man who married 58 wives…**.

Sam it is open knowledge. The illegal sex that is going on in the predominantly christian coutries is not any secret. Please admit it or ask any one who has visited those countries.

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** That is right. But our Muslims concept of virginity may be different to yours. We do not believe in unmarried fathers and unmarried mothers. We believe that if a lady had been virgin till her marriage and meeting with her husband then she will be considered as a virgin for life. After that, even if she bears children, it is alright. She will be a virgin all her life.

Same was the case of Mary, the mother of Jesus who was a virgin. She gave birth to other children too. Still she is to be considered as a virgin. If you have a different opinion then please tell it. We respect the mother of Jesus very much. Her life is not described in the bible. We have much better decription of her birth and later life in the Quran in a most beautiful way.

Allah has given the example of all believers (men and women) by Mary, the mother of Jesus. The devil even never tempted her**.

**Please do not use our Hadith against us. Leave that to us unless something specific is mentioned in it (which in this case is not).

We do not say there is no sex in the muslim countries. There is some. And many of the Muslims do it in the western countries too. They are not pious people. But look at the scale and ratio. There is great difference in the horrible condition of western christian countries where there is open sex and gambling and drinking at a large scale. It will hurt and harm the christianity. But can they control it now? Not possible**.

“Please do not use our Hadith against us. Leave that to us unless something specific is mentioned in it (which in this case is not).”

i.e. ‘Don’t confuse us with the facts, hold us accountable, or responsible, or to a moral standard, determine what our true posture is… hold us to any standard, leave the standard holding to
us.’

S. Amy, somebody needs you to recover a fumble here.

If it is truth, and you are on the side of truth, then why are you afraid?

What possible basis can we have for any further discussion?

Incredible.

 

[Malgosia]

Same was the case of Mary, the mother of Jesus who was a virgin. She gave birth to other children too. Still she is to be considered as a virgin. If you have a different opinion then please tell it. We respect the mother of Jesus very much. Her life is not described in the bible. We have much better decription of her birth and later life in the Quran in a most beautiful way.

The Most Blessed Virgin Mary DID NOT give birth to any other children but Jesus. This is a reason she is a true virgin.

Granted, there are brothers and sisters of Jesus mentioned in the Bible. However, the name “brothers and sisters” was also used for cousins. People specifically called brothers are later named as sons of the other Mary. Also, from the cross Jesus gave care of Mary to his beloved apostle John. If there were any other brothers or sisters, that care would automatically become their responsibility. And Jesus’ words to John “This is your mother” would be an insult to any biological children she had.

Thank you for your respect for the Mother of Jesus. We know enough about her life to consider her the first among the saints. Her last recorded words were “Do whatever He says”. This is an admonition to us all.

 

[ToddM]

The Most Blessed Virgin Mary DID NOT give birth to any other children but Jesus. This is a reason she is a true virgin.

Granted, there are brothers and sisters of Jesus mentioned in the Bible. However, the name “brothers and sisters” was also used for cousins. People specifically called brothers are later named as sons of the other Mary. Also, from the cross Jesus gave care of Mary to his beloved apostle John. If there were any other brothers or sisters, that care would automatically become their responsibility. And Jesus’ words to John “This is your mother” would be an insult to any biological children she had.

Thank you for your respect for the Mother of Jesus. We know enough about her life to consider her the first among the saints. Her last recorded words were “Do whatever He says”. This is an admonition to us all.

PS. Please do not use our traditions/scriptures against us…