honor of women in islam

[Lapell]

…Yeah, that is so off topic. grr. I wish you good luck Lapell. If you look really hard on the left side of your screen you will see my ‘Icon’ smashed into it.

Then again, you may wish to take my word for it.

Oh, I meant my question all right, but if no one from the Muslim side answers it, so what? I just hope they know the answer, if there is one…

 

[Angelos]

The Quran has given good rights to the Muslim women. It has given the right to property and inheritance. I wish there was anything about the honor of women in the bible. There will not be found anything on that subject. But there may only just be one sentence only, no more.

You seem to know neither the Koran nor the Bible!

There is no comparison about the honor of women in Islam and honor of women in the bible. The bible accuses the women (all women of the world) for misleading Adam. The Quran does not do so. Is that not a great achievement for the ladies by the Quran. It absolves them of that bad stigma which the bible has attached tot he women and it is being carried till today as the original sin.

There is no such thing in Quran.

The Bible never accuses all women or only Eve of misleading Adam! Such an erroneous teaching is a result of your misinterpretation of the Bible!

Even Eve’s name does not occur in the Koran! Your scripture does not narrate how and why “Adam’s wife” was created either!

The Koran is the only scripture that designates all women as tricky and deceptive creatures:

Surah 12:28 So when he saw his shirt torn from behind, he said: Lo! this is of the guile of you women. Lo! the guile of you is very great.

No such thing in the Bible.

 

[inJESUS]

The Bible never accuses all women or only Eve of misleading Adam! Such an erroneous teaching is a result of your misinterpretation of the Bible!

 

[R_not]

Since you mentioned Gitmo, here’s the latest from the mastermind of the 9/11 massacre Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He wants the death penalty and stated:

“Yes, this is what I wish, to be a martyr for a long time,” Mohammed declared. “I will, God willing, have this, by you.”

Here’s the

I bet he can’t wait to get those 72 virgins! He planned the death of all those people and thinks he’s going to be rewarded for it. People like him make me want to puke.

Vickie

Thanks. Oh, tsk tsk - you mention ‘72 virgins’! Isn’t that dishonoring women!??! Oh, yeah - I can hardly wait for some to explain that away. (yes, note heavy sarcasm)

 

[R_not]

**The Quran has given good rights to the Muslim women. It has given the right to property and inheritance. I wish there was anything about the honor of women in the bible. There will not be found anything on that subject. But there may only just be one sentence only, no more.

There is no comparison about the honor of women in Islam and honor of women in the bible. The bible accuses the women (all women of the world) for misleading Adam. The Quran does not do so. Is that not a great achievement for the ladies by the Quran. It absolves them of that bad stigma which the bible has attached tot he women and it is being carried till today as the original sin.

There is no such thing in Quran. **

Let me see - what does it mean to you when Christ stopped a stoning while mohammed sanctioned them? Or that it is our Western, Judeo-Christian societies that give women their freedoms that are equal to a man while in islamic societies you not only do not give those freedoms, but women are 1/2 that of a man.

As for inheritences - they are 1/2 that of the male children and as for their property - you probably are forced to do that due to the wive’s male relatives making sure that doesn’t go away out of their family.

Atrocities committed every day in the name of islam are done against women around this globe - and it is even worse if those women are not muslim because that means they can also enslave, rape, beat them, force them to marry and to forcefully convert to islam, and kill them with no worry of retaliation by their governments.

Try again with trying to deflect why islam is terrible to others - even their own women. Pointing to other’s poor behavior does not give you a pass. In our countries if we do something wrong we are given a trial, or change our laws. What muslims do is try to change the laws of a land to become sharia law.

 

[R_not]

Saheeh Bukhari

 

[Lapell]

Let me see - what does it mean to you when Christ stopped a stoning while mohammed sanctioned them?

This reminds me of something from the Bible: “The wrath of man doesn’t accomplish the wrath of God.” How is the “wrath of God” accomplished? Well, according to our faith, it’s through more love, to the point that Jesus died an infamous death in atonement for our sins and those of the whole world.
He took on him the chastisement that we were supposed to receive.
The sad thing, as saint Francis of Assisi put it, is that “Love is not loved”, and even though He is always ready to forgive anyone to turns to Him for forgiveness and never refuses to let him/her turn to Him, He foresaw that some would refuse to do so and to benefit from His powerfully healing Love… and He showed it to saint Francis of Assisi, and saint Francis was sad about it. And in learning of this story, I am made sad about it too. Why should I not be? If we want salvation for all of mankind, we should be, shouldn’t we? Blessed be Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen!

 

[ralphinal]

I don’t understand the question–what “sets of ideas” are there?

Let me explain the process: if something is explicitly forbidden in the Qur’an–like eating pork, for example–then that is a ruling. If something is made mandatory (like daily prayer)–then that is a ruling. It’s only based on the Qur’an.

But sometimes there are questions not explicitly answered by the Qur’an, like yours. It’s not even explicitly addressed in ahadith. Why? Because it never came up, as far as I’m aware–such disgusting (indeed perverted) discussions aren’t things which typically come up in Islamic law.

But I can tell you already that your example violates other commands in Islam–which is what a woman needs to cover in front of other women, and that a husband cannot be intimate with one wife on the night of the other wife, and that it possibly involves homosexual behavior which is definitely forbidden.

I understand the answer to my question, and it makes sense to me. The sets of ideas one is this: how many people are authorised to interpret the Koran? How many people can tell a Muslim what it means?

There are protections for women in Islamic teachings.

Some things are–either right, or wrong, that is. Some things are gray. Sometimes there is ONE right answer. And sometimes there is a difference of opinion. That is called FLEXIBILITY!

The most common story on this topic is some Companions who Muhammad (s) told to go to a certain tribe (Banu Quraydhah), and he told them not to pray the afternoon (asr) prayer until they arrived. Well, that prayer has to be prayed before sunset. So sunset was approaching, what should they do? Should they (a) not pray until they got there, making the prayer late (past its time)? or (b) pray before they got there so that the prayer was in its time, but violating the other instruction which was to not pray it until the arrived. The Companions split into two groups–some prayed then (on time), and some prayed after arriving (late). The group that waited was taking the statement of Muhammad (s) literally, and the group that prayed before arriving took it metaphorically, meaning to hurry. Which group was correct?

Which group was correct? How did the story end?

It isn’t for laypeople–common Muslims–to decide what is too difficult. It is NOT too difficult to pray as ordered. If a person cannot stand, he can sit. If he cannot sit, he can lay down. Laypeople who say it is too difficult are what we call too attached to this world.

Who can decide what is too difficult? Can anyone on earth? I understand the attachment statement, that at some point you are able to do it, but does Islam allow someone to water down the faith in order to practice it?

 

[ToddM]

Who said anything about shooting anyone? We are not barbarians. We would be no better than those whose beliefs state that killing infidels is okay.
***Wait, which ‘anyones’ are you talking about? If you are talking about the deluded and/or the mentally ill, fair enough. If you are are talking about Jihadists, exactly how do you propose to deal with someone who is INTENT to the point of their own death and ANYONE ELSE’S on making YOU, and anyone else like you, like them? Do we roll over, let them try to make us renounce our faith? Do we accept this? Honestly, I could almost see that. Crazy as it sounds, do we just line up for martyrdom? ***
What we need to do is to stop giving in to the incessant demands made by Muslims for accommodation of their religion, while its practices interfere with the rights and freedoms of others!

Vickie

That will not resolve this. What it may do is force people’s hands. Then we may see some true colors.

I’m all for clear lines. The fuzzy to non-existent ones are the enemy’s greatest asset.

 

[ToddM]

Since you mentioned Gitmo, here’s the latest from the mastermind of the 9/11 massacre Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He wants the death penalty and stated:

“Yes, this is what I wish, to be a martyr for a long time,” Mohammed declared. “I will, God willing, have this, by you.”

Here’s the

I bet he can’t wait to get those 72 virgins! He planned the death of all those people and thinks he’s going to be rewarded for it. People like him make me want to puke.

Vickie

Hope you aren’t wearing new shoes. Hold your hair?

 

[ToddM]

**The Quran has given good rights to the Muslim women. It has given the right to property and inheritance. I wish there was anything about the honor of women in the bible. There will not be found anything on that subject. But there may only just be one sentence only, no more.

There is no comparison about the honor of women in Islam and honor of women in the bible. The bible accuses the women (all women of the world) for misleading Adam. The Quran does not do so. Is that not a great achievement for the ladies by the Quran. It absolves them of that bad stigma which the bible has attached tot he women and it is being carried till today as the original sin.

There is no such thing in Quran. **

I heard about, what was her name, no wait, don’t tell me…M…MaAAh, mmmaa…

It’ll come to me.

 

[ToddM]

You seem to know neither the Koran nor the Bible!

The Bible never accuses all women or only Eve of misleading Adam! Such an erroneous teaching is a result of your misinterpretation of the Bible!

Even Eve’s name does not occur in the Koran! Your scripture does not narrate how and why “Adam’s wife” was created either!

The Koran is the only scripture that designates all women as tricky and deceptive creatures:

Surah 12:28 So when he saw his shirt torn from behind, he said: Lo! this is of the guile of you women. Lo! the guile of you is very great.

No such thing in the Bible.

Uhhh, not to sound dumb or anything, but doesn’t the Bible say that ‘through one man’ we are all under penalty?

 

[R_not]

This is a rather long speech by Geert Wilders (the film maker of Fitna - the movie the muslims are still rioting in some countries about):

sheikyermami.com/2008/06/05/full-transcript-of-geert-wilders-speech-in-the-danish-parliament/#more-8354

But, it has a lot about what is happening in Europe with the increase in the muslim population - and about 1/5 of the way down it tells with the increase of muslims come the decrease of women’s rights. So, this is just another example of the lack of ‘honor’ in islam.

Geert Wilders is one of my heros. A guy speaking up knowing that he could go the same as Theo Van Gogh went - by a muslim fatwa because he dares to speak up about what islam is all about.

 

[morning_star777]

here in my town a girl has been killed by her own father&brothers because the girl has fallen in love with a man&wanted to marry him.when her family members knew then they beat her to much then she had died.the girl’s father’s name is alimuddin(he is a hajji).he live 1 km far from my house.off course police came&then they gave police just 700$ and then the case dismissed!so in a muslim family the price of a girl’s life is just 700$.nice

 

[morning_star777]

now lets discuss about my previous post.the girl who has been killed by her family member,she did a great sin named love(is love a great sin?)!of course its a great sin in islam cause,a muslim girl can’t talk or meet with other man(lover isn’t husband)cause of covering system&she denied this law so she did a great sin in islamic view point.so her family members beat her badly.then she died..its a true&sad story that happened 15+year ago!

 

[morning_star777]

actually i can give many more true reference about the abuse of islam and muslims.even they abuse their own daughter or sisters,torture them beat them.but unfortunately i can’t prove those story because i do not have any news organization like BBC.muslims hide many true abusive story from secular journalists.so many ppl don’t know what is happening in other towns.but its true that only muslims can do this beastly torture.is it humanity?

 

[Angelos]

Uhhh, not to sound dumb or anything, but doesn’t the Bible say that ‘through one man’ we are all under penalty?

This is NOT the same thing though. The narrative in Genesis implies neither that Adam was deceptive nor that he wanted the whole human race to fall with him and sinned deliberately to our detriment.

 

[planten]

Let me see - what does it mean to you when Christ stopped a stoning while mohammed sanctioned them?

**Jesus did the right thing. All there were sinners. Jesus did not say that the lady should not be stoned to death. He sanctioned the death penulty. But he gave an advice too which was much needed and useful. That the first stone should be thrown at that woman by a one who had never been a fornicator or adulterer

That was the end of that story. Jesus permitted the stoning as per law. But your story R_not does not hold. You think that Jesus did not allow stoning to death. He was a perfect Jew and wanted all to follow the law of Moses. He said that he had come to fulfil the law. That means he wanted that law be applied in its true form.It should not be abondoned.
But you people have abondoned what Jesus had come to follow and fulfil. So, you are now only using the name of Jesus for some purpose. You are not the followers of Jesus.**

 

[morning_star777]

mr.planten,if we are not the followers of jesus then who is the follower of jesus?you or all muslims?if you will claim that muslims are the true follower of jesus then how can you claim that gospels had been altered by men?you muslims never gave the correct answer that if god’s words corrupted then how it was the word of god?why god let men corrupted his(god’s)holy books?are god’s books so weak that any body can corrupt it?

 

[R_not]

**Jesus did the right thing. All there were sinners. Jesus did not say that the lady should not be stoned to death. He sanctioned the death penulty. But he gave an advice too which was much needed and useful. That the first stone should be thrown at that woman by a one who had never been a fornicator or adulterer

That was the end of that story. Jesus permitted the stoning as per law. But your story R_not does not hold. You think that Jesus did not allow stoning to death. He was a perfect Jew and wanted all to follow the law of Moses. He said that he had come to fulfil the law. That means he wanted that law be applied in its true form.It should not be abondoned.
But you people have abondoned what Jesus had come to follow and fulfil. So, you are now only using the name of Jesus for some purpose. You are not the followers of Jesus.**

You are not my judge, nor jury even though ‘you people’ like to be the executioners.

I will say this - ‘you people’ follow a guy who enslaved, tortured, killed, stole, lied - perfectly and so very well. I have no disagreement there with you.

If moderate muslims is a truth, then why are these the facts: islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2008/05/its-only-fewthats-what-they-keep.html