honor of women in islam

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Sister_Amy said:
inJESUS;3775574:
If a man was a Soviet, then went to the USA during the Cold War and said he was American, and then he said he was a Soviet again… would he not have been killed for treason?
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so that man was killed for high treason of the ummah? how? by saying he disliked Islam after joining it?🤷
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5:32 …If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
 
morning_star777 said:
and listen sister amy,i am not trying to distort ur islamic laws.because i do not have any profit if i will try to do it.but i know how horrible ur islam is.you lived in a free society so don’t know the reality.but i was born in a very bigot muslim family.and for ur information most of pure hadith books in my father’s room.and i understand my mother language bangla very well.i read ur scripture.so if i am fed up with ur scripture,blame ur hadith
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If you’re fed up with my scripture, THEN STOP READING IT!
Stop trying to tell me, WHO READS IT REGULARLY AND ISN’T FED UP, what it means. Because trust me–you haven’t got a clue what it means, you’re not in a position to explain.

Now answer my question.

Do you think I should kill you!?
 
Sister_Amy said:
That doesn’t answer my question, of course I don’t want to kill you. But I asked:

Do you THINK I SHOULD kill you?
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what can i say?i don’t think that you should kill me.but your islam ordered to kill me.because i leaved islam and became an unbeliever(according to your islam).if ur islam didn’t order then why abu bakr arranged the battle of RIDDHA?forgot the history?
 
Sister_Amy said:
It is not I who edits, but you. The speaker in that verse, called AL-AZEEZ and not Potiphar, is talking to his wife and HER SERVANTS and women of the house, who are previously mentioned. One man calling his wife deceitful (as she was) is hardly a condemntation of all women. It’s not even close to generalizing all women.
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You are sadly getting away from the principle of honesty and distorting the Koran while struggling to defend it. El-Azeez, Potiphar or whatever (the main issue of my post was NOT the name of the Egyptian chief!) accuses ALL women of being tricky in the person of HIS wife. The Surah makes it clear that Joseph was alone with Azeez’s wife in the house when the incident took place. Thus, it is your wishful thinking that introduces other female servants into the scene:

Surah 12:23. And she, in whose house he was, asked of him an evil act. She bolted the doors and said: Come! He said: I seek refuge in Allah! Lo! he is my lord, who hath treated me honourably. Lo! wrong-doers never prosper.
24. She verily desired him, and he would have desired her if it had not been that he saw the argument of his Lord. Thus it was, that We might ward off from him evil and lewdness. Lo! he was of Our chosen slaves.25. And they raced with one another to the door, and she tore his shirt from behind, and they met her lord and master at the door. She said: What shall be his reward, who wisheth evil to thy folk, save prison or a painful doom ? 26. (Joseph) said: She it was who asked of me an evil act. And a witness of her own folk testified: If his shirt is torn from before, then she speaketh truth and he is of the liars. 27. And if his shirt is torn from behind, then she hath lied and he is of the truthful. 28. So when he saw his shirt torn from behind, he said: Lo! this is of the guile of you women. Lo! the guile of you is very great.
Sister_Amy said:
The Qur’an says

Lo! men who surrender unto Allah, and women who surrender, and men who believe and women who believe, and men who obey and women who obey, and men who speak the truth and women who speak the truth, and men who persevere (in righteousness) and** women who persevere**, and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give alms and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their modesty and women who guard (their modesty), and men who remember Allah much and **women who remember **- Allah hath prepared for them forgiveness and a vast reward.

Allah is talking about women the opposite of what you describe. CLEARLY there are such women, or Allah wouldn’t have revealed this verse nor prepared such a reward.

Your statement was just a generalization manufactured by either yourself or some other fool who intends to slander the Qur’an.
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That quote does not change the fact that beguiling is regarded as a feminine peculiarity in the Koran. The verse in Surah 12 does not restrict the accusation of being tricky to one single woman in question, but to ALL WOMEN through her.
 
morning_star777 said:
what can i say?i don’t think that you should kill me.
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Neither do I.
but your islam ordered to kill me.
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Shows how much you DON’T know.

Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.
 
Sister_Amy said:
inJESUS;3775639 said:
IT IS ALSO IN THE QUR’AN!
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i know 🙂
go read 60:8.
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i did but the problem is not solved as who is innocent and who is not, reading all those killing by Muhammad and Abu Bakr and Umar to name a few. Am NOT saying all the Quran is teaching hatred, am saying peace and innocence in Islam is subjective as seen by the sunna of Muhammd and his followers. If you want me to quote every hadith that ends with " kill him/execute him/fight him", i’ll have to stay awake for a week. This is why Islam cannot be said the religion of peace if peace is in the eye of the beholder. Am not sure all the futuhat done by Muhammad’s followers were in the name of peace, nor where they defensive. There IS an ideology of futuhat, subduing, fighting in the core of Islamic history.
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Angelos said:
You are sadly getting away from the principle of honesty and distorting the Koran while struggling to defend it. El-Azeez, Potiphar or whatever (the main issue of my post was NOT the name of the Egyptian chief!) accuses ALL women of being tricky in the person of HIS wife. The Surah makes it clear that Joseph was alone with Azeez’s wife in the house when the incident took place. Thus, it is your wishful thinking that introduces other female servants into the scene:

Surah 12:23. And she, in whose house he was, asked of him an evil act. She bolted the doors and said: Come! He said: I seek refuge in Allah! Lo! he is my lord, who hath treated me honourably. Lo! wrong-doers never prosper.
24. She verily desired him, and he would have desired her if it had not been that he saw the argument of his Lord. Thus it was, that We might ward off from him evil and lewdness. Lo! he was of Our chosen slaves.25. And they raced with one another to the door, and she tore his shirt from behind, and they met her lord and master at the door. She said: What shall be his reward, who wisheth evil to thy folk, save prison or a painful doom ? 26. (Joseph) said: She it was who asked of me an evil act. And a witness of her own folk testified: If his shirt is torn from before, then she speaketh truth and he is of the liars. 27. And if his shirt is torn from behind, then she hath lied and he is of the truthful. 28. So when he saw his shirt torn from behind, he said: Lo! this is of the guile of you women. Lo! the guile of you is very great.

That quote does not change the fact that beguiling is regarded as a feminine peculiarity in the Koran. The verse in Surah 12 does not restrict the accusation of being tricky to one single woman in question, but to ALL WOMEN through her.
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Your “logic” doesn’t make any sense at all. Describing some people one way doesn’t mean that everybody in that group is that way or even that it is a trait of that group. This is not Qur’anic science, just your own wishful thinking.

Your post doesn’t even deserve a response.
 
Sister_Amy said:
If you’re fed up with my scripture, THEN STOP READING IT!
Stop trying to tell me, WHO READS IT REGULARLY AND ISN’T FED UP, what it means. Because trust me-you haven’t got a clue what it means, you’re not in a position to explain.
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i was fed up many days before.but i wont stop reading because i have to bash ur religion.but pls give me some time ok?i need weapon so i am reading ur scriptures again after 6years
 
morning_star777 said:
i was fed up many days before.but i wont stop reading because i have to bash ur religion.but pls give me some time ok?i need weapon so i am reading ur scriptures again after 6years
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Great!!

So you admit, that you “have to bash” my religion.

Go ahead.

Read the Qur’an

Start at the beginning: ALIF LAAAAAAMMMMMEEEEEEM!
 
Sister_Amy said:
5:32 …If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
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Mo is speaking about a Muslim murdering a Muslim in that verse. He has no such regard for the non-Muslim in fact many more verses talk of murdering (killing/fighting) the non-Muslim as the Cause of Allah throughout the Quran.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Your “logic” doesn’t make any sense at all. Describing some people one way doesn’t mean that everybody in that group is that way or even that it is a trait of that group. This is not Qur’anic science, just your own wishful thinking.

Your post doesn’t even deserve a response.
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doesn’t the Quran use the plural ? women? why mention plural if one woman is in question?
 
Sister_Amy said:
Your “logic” doesn’t make any sense at all. Describing some people one way doesn’t mean that everybody in that group is that way or even that it is a trait of that group. This is not Qur’anic science, just your own wishful thinking.

Your post doesn’t even deserve a response.
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Correction: This is not MY logic, but the logic of the authors of the Koran! Azeez is made to conclude that his wife devised an evil plot against Joseph and became tricky because she was a woman!
 
Sister_Amy said:
Great!!

So you admit, that you “have to bash” my religion.
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ya because your religion was my past religion also and it was to much abusive for me.how can i forgot my childhood?i have abused mentally by islamic law(sometimes physicaly).do you know how many catastrophe ruffled my life?&all for ur islamic law.but i am not going to tell you about my personal life.thanks
 
Sister_Amy said:
R_not;3775656:
Islam is a complete way of life, reavealed BY GOD, that comprises laws for INDIVIDUALS and for the SOCIETY.

It’s more than just beliefs, but worship, conduct, and law as well! COMPLETE!
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I am not on the side of islam that is for sure. And this is why - even by your own admission as to what islam is all about - islam needs to be reclassified and taken OUT of the religion category. And put where nazism and communism are - side by side.
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