Honoring Mary is Biblical, according to the bible.

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The foruth commandment
" you shall honor your mother and your father "
From the nativity narrative
" she gave birth to her firstborn and named him jesus "
Jesus was circumcised, so he was taught to followed the teachings of moses, including the Ten Commandments.
Therefore he followed the fourth commandment to honor his father, God the Father.
Also he honored his mother, Mary. To do otherwise would be to violate the fourth commandment. This would be a sin under God. But Jesus is without sin.
Now, we are to be imitators of christ, according to saint paul. Therefore do what Jesus does. So since he honors Mary, we are to honor Mary.
Mary believed that Jesus is the messiah. So she lives in heaven. And she is not ‘dead’

All the things I have stated are clearly attested to in the bible. I haven’t memorized the "addresses " but I can look them up.
Thus the bible supports honoring Mary.
 
I hate to be so contrarian all the time here but the fourth commandment is to honor YOUR mother, not Jesus’s mother. Why does imitating Christ involve honoring HIS mother? Couldn’t it be said that you are imitating Christ by honoring your own mother?
 
nhylan said:
I hate to be so contrarian all the time here but the fourth commandment is to honor YOUR mother, not Jesus’s mother. Why does imitating Christ involve honoring HIS mother? Couldn’t it be said that you are imitating Christ by honoring your own mother?
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Jesus honored the person named Mary, who gave birth to him. He did so because of the fourth commandment. Since he honored the person named mary, we ought to honor the person named mary.
 
nhylan said:
I hate to be so contrarian all the time here but the fourth commandment is to honor YOUR mother, not Jesus’s mother. Why does imitating Christ involve honoring HIS mother? Couldn’t it be said that you are imitating Christ by honoring your own mother?
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Honoring the Theotokos doesn’t absolve us of the responsibility of honoring our own parents. Jesus spoke many things in the NT to other individuals that we tend to read as general commandments to Christians; why would “Behold thy mother!” be exempt from that?
 
I don’t deny that Mary is worthy of some honor. What bothers me about this thread is that the OP uses very loose logic, in any sense of the word, to prove a point that already supports.
 
nhylan said:
I hate to be so contrarian all the time here but the fourth commandment is to honor YOUR mother, not Jesus’s mother. Why does imitating Christ involve honoring HIS mother? Couldn’t it be said that you are imitating Christ by honoring your own mother?
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But Mary is our mother, too!
 
Well I try my best to honor my biological mother.

Hebrews 2:10-18 gives strong indication that Jesus is our spiritual brother. And if he’s our spritual brother… what about our spiritual mother?
 
nhylan said:
I don’t deny that Mary is worthy of some honor. What bothers me about this thread is that the OP uses very loose logic, in any sense of the word, to prove a point that already supports.
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I guess this person thinks that bible verses are loose logic. Err… why would I prove a point that I don’t support?
 
GeorgeSword said:
But Mary is our mother, too!
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Where does it say that in the bible? Since the OP is using that as the source of his proof.
This is why I have never understood the Catholic veneration of Mary, the reason behind it is built on a house of cards.
 
nhylan said:
Where does it say that in the bible? Since the OP is using that as the source of his proof.
This is why I have never understood the Catholic veneration of Mary, the reason behind it is built on a house of cards.
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Well " son, behold your mother " spoken to the ‘disciple whom Jesus loved’ literally John, but also by extension any disciple that Jesus loves. i.e. Me and you and all other christians.
Things can be extrapolated. " A from B, and B from C, therefore A from C."
I guess you wanna play the " lets decide scripture for ourselves " game. That’s been done, which is why there are thousands of denominations calling themselves christians.
Oh well, do as you will.
 
nhylan said:
Where does it say that in the bible? Since the OP is using that as the source of his proof.
This is why I have never understood the Catholic veneration of Mary, the reason behind it is built on a house of cards.
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When Jesus says to John, behold your mother, and to Mary, behold your son, He is not only placing Mary in John’s care, but also making her the mother of Christ’s disciples. If I may quote Pope John Paul II (for surely he can speak far better than me), he writes:

Jesus’ words, “Behold, your son”, effect what they express, making Mary the mother of John and of all the disciples destined to receive the gift of divine grace.
  1. On the Cross Jesus did not proclaim Mary’s universal motherhood formally, but established a concrete maternal relationship between her and the beloved disciple. In the Lord’s choice we can see his concern that this motherhood should not be interpreted in a vague way, but should point to Mary’s intense, personal relationship with individual Christians.
May each one of us, precisely through the concrete reality of Mary’s universal motherhood, fully acknowledge her as our own Mother, and trustingly commend ourselves to her maternal love.
 
I think there is a lot of space between some of the dots you’ve tried to connect.
 
Lutheranteach said:
I think there is a lot of space between some of the dots you’ve tried to connect.
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There’s a lot of space between what’s in Scripture and the sophisticated, nuanced doctrine of the Trinity that most Christians believe as well. Does that mean that the doctrine of the Trinity is suspect?
 
Lutheranteach said:
I think there is a lot of space between some of the dots you’ve tried to connect.
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That’s not particularly surprising, since I imagine you don’t agree with the church teaching on mary. Which of these scriptures do you least agree with or understand? I would think that sola scripture would bind you to the truth of it.
 
traillius said:
The foruth commandment
" you shall honor your mother and your father "
From the nativity narrative
" she gave birth to her firstborn and named him jesus "
Jesus was circumcised, so he was taught to followed the teachings of moses, including the Ten Commandments.
Therefore he followed the fourth commandment to honor his father, God the Father.
Also he honored his mother, Mary. To do otherwise would be to violate the fourth commandment. This would be a sin under God. But Jesus is without sin.
Now, we are to be imitators of christ, according to saint paul. Therefore do what Jesus does. So since he honors Mary, we are to honor Mary.
Mary believed that Jesus is the messiah. So she lives in heaven. And she is not ‘dead’

All the things I have stated are clearly attested to in the bible. I haven’t memorized the "addresses " but I can look them up.
Thus the bible supports honoring Mary.
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I’m surely glad that I don’t depend upon you for Biblical interpretations!
 
Proallen said:
I’m surely glad that I don’t depend upon you for Biblical interpretations!
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I’m glad I don’t, either. I’m glad I don’t depend on your’s, mine or their’s. I’m glad I have the Church that Jesus founded to depend on.
 
traillius said:
The foruth commandment
" you shall honor your mother and your father "
From the nativity narrative
" she gave birth to her firstborn and named him jesus "
Jesus was circumcised, so he was taught to followed the teachings of moses, including the Ten Commandments.
Therefore he followed the fourth commandment to honor his father, God the Father.
Also he honored his mother, Mary. To do otherwise would be to violate the fourth commandment. This would be a sin under God. But Jesus is without sin.
Now, we are to be imitators of christ, according to saint paul. Therefore do what Jesus does. So since he honors Mary, we are to honor Mary.
Mary believed that Jesus is the messiah. So she lives in heaven. And she is not ‘dead’

All the things I have stated are clearly attested to in the bible. I haven’t memorized the "addresses " but I can look them up.
Thus the bible supports honoring Mary.
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I’m not real sure what your point is. Maybe I should look at your ‘personal info’ to see what ‘religion’ you ascribe to.​

I have no problem honoring Mary. However, the reasoning above you use is reason I should honor my mother, not necessarily Mary.​

I also would not include some teachings about Mary in the idea of honoring her.
 
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