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No takers, eh? Must be a deeper subject than I thought.
Maybe what Socrates is getting at is that we all live to die anyway, whether we like it or not. We’re born to die. But we still cling to our lives and what’s offered here-it’s hard to die to self and to the world-and God leaves it up to us. **“I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.” **Wisdom compels us and Love draws us to turn to God and allow the Spirit to be the guide of our lives.
“…the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.”
I’m still working on that one.
Sister G once again directed us to some great resources, this time from the Summa. I thought a couple of points were particularly relevant to our discussion. In Article 1 Aquinas says that the three intellectual virtues (which include wisdom) don’t confer “the right use of a power or habit.” Here he gives an example using “speculative science” as an example:
"For if a man possess a habit of speculative science, it does not follow that he is inclined to make use of it, but he is made able to consider the truth in those matters of which he has scientific knowledge: that he make use of the knowledge which he has, is due to the motion of his will. Consequently a virtue which perfects the will, as charity or justice, confers the right use of these speculative habits.”
Then from Article 2:
"Now this sympathy or connaturality for Divine things is the result of charity, which unites us to God, according to 1 Cor. 6:17: “He who is joined to the Lord, is one spirit.” Consequently wisdom which is a gift, has its cause in the will, which cause is charity, but it has its essence in the intellect, whose act is to judge aright, as stated above."
And then a couple of excerpts from a short treatise by Aquinas, where he makes the point that we don’t all have the same opportunities for gaining knowledge but we should still possess the God-given Wisdom to understand our duty to Love:
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“The law of divine love is the standard for all human actions.
It is evident that not all are able to labor at learning and for that reason Christ has given a short law. Everyone can know this law and no one may be excused from observing it because of ignorance. This is the law of divine love.
A fourth point about charity is that it truly leads to happiness, since eternal blessedness is promised only to those who have charity. For all other things are insufficient without charity. You must note that it is only the different degrees of charity, and not those of any other virtues, which constitute the different degrees of blessedness. Many of the saints were more abstemious than the apostles, but the apostles excel all the other saints in blessedness because of their higher degree of charity."
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Great stuff.
Maybe what Socrates is getting at is that we all live to die anyway, whether we like it or not. We’re born to die. But we still cling to our lives and what’s offered here-it’s hard to die to self and to the world-and God leaves it up to us. **“I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.” **Wisdom compels us and Love draws us to turn to God and allow the Spirit to be the guide of our lives.
“…the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.”
I’m still working on that one.
Sister G once again directed us to some great resources, this time from the Summa. I thought a couple of points were particularly relevant to our discussion. In Article 1 Aquinas says that the three intellectual virtues (which include wisdom) don’t confer “the right use of a power or habit.” Here he gives an example using “speculative science” as an example:
"For if a man possess a habit of speculative science, it does not follow that he is inclined to make use of it, but he is made able to consider the truth in those matters of which he has scientific knowledge: that he make use of the knowledge which he has, is due to the motion of his will. Consequently a virtue which perfects the will, as charity or justice, confers the right use of these speculative habits.”
Then from Article 2:
"Now this sympathy or connaturality for Divine things is the result of charity, which unites us to God, according to 1 Cor. 6:17: “He who is joined to the Lord, is one spirit.” Consequently wisdom which is a gift, has its cause in the will, which cause is charity, but it has its essence in the intellect, whose act is to judge aright, as stated above."
And then a couple of excerpts from a short treatise by Aquinas, where he makes the point that we don’t all have the same opportunities for gaining knowledge but we should still possess the God-given Wisdom to understand our duty to Love:
**
“The law of divine love is the standard for all human actions.
It is evident that not all are able to labor at learning and for that reason Christ has given a short law. Everyone can know this law and no one may be excused from observing it because of ignorance. This is the law of divine love.
A fourth point about charity is that it truly leads to happiness, since eternal blessedness is promised only to those who have charity. For all other things are insufficient without charity. You must note that it is only the different degrees of charity, and not those of any other virtues, which constitute the different degrees of blessedness. Many of the saints were more abstemious than the apostles, but the apostles excel all the other saints in blessedness because of their higher degree of charity."
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Great stuff.