host desecration on Youtube

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This is simply disgusting in every means, makes me wish Churches made recieving the Eurcharist more strict about swallowing it at the scene and have it placed at the tongue.

I don’t care if it would take longer or sounds tolerterian, this kinda of shock-jock performance should be reduced to zero outbreaks, not flaunted upon sites like Youtube which can easily be returned with a different account or by their flimsy rules.

Honestly I sometimes think God doesn’t owe it to humanity to make himself vurnerable in the form of the Eurcharist…

Edit: After litterally five minutes since posting I realize that it’s not that he owes anything. He gave us the Eurcharist out of love for his creation and I realize that the crimes of the few shouldn’t take away a gift for the many. Though I still am wishing that stricter policies were taken like mentioned in the top to keep this from happening.
If this was something against Islam and their beliefs it would not be allowed. But, we Catholics are fair game for any and all hate speech and threats.

That being said I can go into our local Catholic Book Store and purchase a container of unconsecrated wafers any time I want to. So I pray this is a case of just wanting the publicity and using unconsecrated wafers and not the consecrated Eucharist.
 
Yeah, that’s right, after YouTube JUST received over a thousand petitions to take the inappropriate content off, they just put them right back up. I looked through their Contact information, and apparently, if you think something is inappropriate, you have to flag it for their reveiw. You can’t contact them via e-mail, but they do have a mail address, telephone, and fax number, which include:

YouTube, LLC
901 Cherry Ave.
San Bruno, CA 94066
USA
Phone: +1 650-253-0000
Fax: +1 650-253-0001
Call them, and take a stand! Who ever put those blasphemous videos up must just be trolling for suckers, trying to start a contraversy! Even if I wasn’t considering the Catholic Church, content like that would still be very offensive to me.

I hate to say this, but sadly, I don’t think that that content falls under YouTube’s inappropriate content guidelines, and I’m thinking that that’s why it’s back up. All we can do is ask them to change their guidelines, or to remove that content. If they don’t remove it, they should at least put a warning next to the video, warning of it’s offensiv and blasphemous nature.

There are a lot of Catholics on YouTube, and some of them are helping me in my conversion process. I don’t think that we should quit visiting the site, but maybe, we should pray that blasphemous material be removed.
 
Don’t forget to inform Catholic League dot org as well!!

Then, get a copy of the CD “Was Hitler Right? Why Athiests Have no Rights”

Listen to it, then send it to the guys who are posting those horrible videos on youtube.

It’s really good!

You can get this CD at www.biblechristiansociety.com

It’s free, maybe just a small online fee, etc.
 
I signed the TFP petition online. One of the videos from this FSM person shows how he gets the consecrated hosts. The video shows him attending a mass and placing the host in his mouth, only to spit it out at the end of mass.
 
I just realized something…

Those Host desecration videos could all be fake!

Remember what’s-his-name who said he recieved Hosts from Jesus and could mail them to people, and as it turned out, it was actually a hoax? I think this is a similar case: It’s all a hoax the user is doing!

I think that’s why the videos were all put back up on Youtube, too.
 
One of the videos shows FSM whatever his name is going to a Catholic Mass, and stealing the Eucharist by removing it from his mouth after mass. (A hidden camera follows FSM into the church)
 
I can’t download the videos. Nothing but slow dial up where we live.

Maybe if WANTED posters were placed in the Catholic Church he is from they could refuse to allow him to receive Holy Communion.
 
I skipped out on mass one time by trying to sneak out the back, and got caught by the priest.

I was certain I was going to hell after that.

But then I read the last post and things seem extremely petty in comparison.
 
I signed the TFP petition online. One of the videos from this FSM person shows how he gets the consecrated hosts. The video shows him attending a mass and placing the host in his mouth, only to spit it out at the end of mass.
One of the videos shows FSM whatever his name is going to a Catholic Mass, and stealing the Eucharist by removing it from his mouth after mass. (A hidden camera follows FSM into the church)
Wouldn’t it have dissolved by the end of Mass?
 
I was worried this would become a fad among the Dawkins groupies. For people so intellectually superior, they sure are incredibly childish. I just hope all or at least some of these are unconsecrated wafers. Of course, Christ Himself can’t be damaged by these antics; it is the souls of these people that are damaged. I wish we had the fairly benign Carl Sagan type non-believers back; now it seems they’ve returned to the Voltaire model of mockery. Not content to simply be atheists, they are compelled to be bombastically anti-religious and especially anti-Christian. Their bigotry is no different from that of old anti-Catholic groups like the No-Nothing Party or the KKK. “It’s just a cracker!” they say. Even if it is, so what? It’s our cracker. Do I walk into your house, throw out your mother’s ashes, and say “It’s just dust!” Their deliberate antagonism is going to lead nowhere good for anybody.

Perhaps the Church should, as an emergency protective measure, allow churches to start distributing Communion solely in the form of the Precious Blood, until these bullies get bored and go torment someone else. It’s awfully difficult to steal a sip of liquid.
I don’t think a drastic measure like that is necessary. Couldn’t churches administer the host by mouth, but give people the Blood like they do now?
 
Wouldn’t it have dissolved by the end of Mass?
The video in question never shows him actually receiving communion, conveniently for him. If the video did show him receiving communion, then proceeding to desecrate the Eucharist, even youtube, google and others would agree that the motives were deliberaly disingenuous in partaking of communion for the sole purpose of spreading his hateful views thus proving intent. As it stands, from a civil legal standpoint, it is his opinion which is protected by the US Constitution, even if he is Canadian.

The poor deluded young man is following others who have rallied against the church and in the long run have failed. As long as we keep our faith strong, satan and his minions will not prevent us from entering the Kingdom of Heaven.

Youtube itself also hosts thousands of excellent religious videos.
 
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**SDG here. **I’m hard at work on my next election-related post (which promises to be the longest and most complex of the series), but I wanted to take some time out to address the latest public attack on the Eucharist, this time in a series of YouTube videos allegedly depicting desecration of the Eucharist. (See American Papist for more.)
In some ways this controversy plays like a darker retread of the eBay consecrated host auction scandal. In that case, after some initial resistance, eBay ultimately did the right thing and banned the sale of consecrated hosts (along with “similar highly sacred items”). YouTube similarly has a policy prohibiting certain kinds of offensive or shocking material, and apparently responded to Catholic protests by briefly pulling down the offending videos before shortly reinstating them.
It seems likely that some or even the majority of these videos do not in fact involve consecrated hosts. Apparently most of them were posted by a single malicious user who posts new such videos frequently, even daily — which, for the hosts to be consecrated, would more or less seem to require him to frequent daily Mass and get away with pilfering the Eucharist every time. A sharp-eyed AmP comboxer noticed a bag of wafers in one shot, suggesting that the alleged desecrater is actually getting his wafers from a church-supply catalogue and they are not in fact consecrated.
However, we can’t exclude the possibility that that some of these are real desecrations of real hosts. The fact is that eucharistic desecration is a real possibility that cannot be completely prevented. I think there are something like 20,000 Catholic parishes in the US alone, which I guess means millions of Masses each year, and hundreds of millions of consecrated hosts being dispensed. There will probably always be room for malicious individuals to slip in line and walk off with a host.
Even if the Church in the US were to do away with communion in the hand — which of course would make a lot of traditional Catholics happy — it probably wouldn’t entirely solve the problem. I would be happy to see communion on the tongue restored as the norm in the US, but determined desecraters could still walk away with hosts. (I know I’m opening a can of worms here, but I can’t understand why it seems this would be a pastoral problem for some. I can understand feeling strongly one way or the other about communion under both species, or about whether the priest celebrates ad orientum or facing the congregation. And of course I can understand feeling strongly about wanting communion on the tongue. But who feels strongly about wanting to receive on the hand? I don’t get it.)
It is possible that YouTube may follow eBay in doing the right thing and banning these videos. However, in the free market of the Internet there will always be another venue for whatever content someone wants to produce. Try as we might, we cannot prevent it.
What this means is that we should recognize that we are vulnerable. In the Eucharist, that which is most precious to us is sacramentally available for our reception is also available for others’ abuse. We may not like it, but we can’t stop it.
In a way, it is Christ himself who has ordained it thus. After surrendering his flesh to the abuse of the passion and crucifixion, Christ was vindicated in his flesh by the resurrection and ascension. At that point, had he wished, he could have made the graces of his passion available on earth through the sacraments without again placing his actual flesh and blood at our disposal. The divine plan was otherwise. He wants to be physically available to us, even at the risk of being subject to further abuse in his flesh by his enemies and ours.
It is important to bear in mind what this does not mean. No injury or suffering is imposed on Christ in desecration of the Eucharist. Unlike Christ’s mortal body in the passion, Christ in the Eucharist is not physically vulnerable to harm. Although desecration is a grave offense against the good of religion, the only actual harm sustained is to the soul of the descrater, both in connection with the offense to Christ and the deliberate desire to cause pain and grief to pious Catholics — as well as that pain and grief itself.
At times, the great reverence with which Catholics regard the Eucharist has led Catholics to express the horror of desecration in ways that may be misleading or unhelpful to non-Catholics. Some have compared Webster Cook’s removal of the host from the church to an act of kidnapping, or compared desecration to the murder or rape of a loved one. While such analogies are not without merit, they do run the risk of obstructing communication and understanding rather than facilitating it.
Kidnapping, murder and rape all cause immense trauma to the victim, and it is this trauma that causes the victim’s loved ones to suffer. Because Jesus in the Eucharist cannot be traumatized or suffer in any way, the grief Catholics suffer from desecration of the Eucharist is not really comparable to that suffered by the loved ones of a victim of violent crime.
The disparity can be seen in other ways. For instance, I would unhesitatingly fight and die or even kill to prevent one of my children from being kidnapped or killed. But I wouldn’t physically harm someone in order to prevent him from desecrating the Eucharist. I might courteously approach someone observed in the act of taking the Eucharist away without consuming it (in fact, I did this once), but after the Cook debacle I would be leery of any sort of physical contact.
Even if I believed that violent defense of the Eucharist were morally legitimate, it would still be unhelpful and counterproductive. Although the Webster Cook incident was probably blown out of proportion in several ways on several fronts, it seems likely that things could have been handled better in ways that would have made the situation better rather than worse.
PZ Myers’s outrage at the Cook incident, and the contemptible lengths to which he went to punish those whose behavior offended him, were totally unjustified; but it’s fair to note that a more moderate and judicious Catholic response to the original situation might have spared us Myers’s self-congratulatory poke in the eye to Catholics everywhere. Acts like the threatening email Myers received, even though the writer didn’t mean it and apologized after being caught, further exacerbate an already bad situation.
This is not to excuse Myers, nor to suggest the equivalent of “negotiating with terrorists.” It is to ask what is necessary and what is helpful, and what we hope to accomplish.
Here are a few thoughts, not only regarding attacks on the Eucharist, but also attacks of other sorts on the Faith and the faithful — including in the comboxes of this very blog.
To begin with, there’s nothing like being attacked to remind you that you’re in a war. It’s not a war against flesh and blood; our enemies are demons, not human beings, but the attacks do come through the actions of human beings. To be attacked in war is not a shocking departure from the norm; it’s the expected thing. That doesn’t mean it isn’t dreadful — they say war is hell — but let’s not lose perspective and think that something alarming is happening.
With respect to eucharistic desecration particularly, some practical steps might be in order. Our pastors and shepherds may not all be aware that this kind of thing goes on at all. You might email a few YouTube links to your pastor, or even your bishop, just to let them know, or perhaps write a letter to your diocesan paper. It would be nice to think that heightened consciousness might make a difference somewhere or other.
At the same time, let’s recognize that public anger and outrage can be counter-productive. Public outcry can sometimes pressure market-sensitive organizations, or individuals capable of salutary shame, to eliminate unacceptable behavior or to adopt better behavior. It worked with eBay, and it may or may not work with YouTube — but it certainly won’t work with the desecraters, or with those who in other ways attack the Faith and those who hold it.
On the contrary, it will only encourage them — as public outrage in the Webster incident encouraged Myers’s desecration, and as outrage over Myers encouraged subsequent (real or simulated) attacks on the Eucharist. Bill Donohue’s intervention here was probably more unhelpful than not. Trying to address crises like the Webster incident by throwing weight around and upping the ante rather than by making every effort at a conciliatory resolution is only going to result in more public attacks on the Eucharist. This is not a battle we can win with this particular weapon. We are vulnerable.
In the minds of those who oppose us, furious public outrage — the more passionate the better — both validates their opinion of us and justifies the contempt in which they hold us, thereby granting them even more license to punish us further. Our cries of outrage are music to their ears. It is both their motivation and their goal.
Break the vicious circle. Don’t give them what they want. Let’s respond with sorrow, but not with outrage, and certainly not with anger, abuse, bitterness or contempt. Don’t return evil for evil. Don’t try, or even want, to hurt back those who hurt us.
Let there be nothing petty, vindictive, spiteful or self-righteous in our attitude — nothing to justify their contempt. Let’s show them what is lacking in their disrespect for us by showing them what respect looks like.
I’m not saying to be friendly with people who are trying to kick you in the teeth. I am saying don’t try to kick them back. I’m not saying not to call a spade a spade. We can call someone’s behavior despicable (or disingenuous or whatever it is). We don’t have to spit in their eye as we say it.
Try to respectfully recall people to right behavior rather than simply punishing them for bad behavior. Or, if they’re incorrigible, call it like it is, without rancor, and move on. Don’t engage in name-calling. Label behavior, not persons, and don’t escalate for rhetorical effect. If someone’s behavior is rude, say that it’s rude — don’t call it psychotic or demonic or something.
This isn’t just a matter of “taking the high road”; it overlaps with that, but it needs to be more than that. It needs to be a matter of the spirit of Christ, who is perceived in the eucharistic elements only by faith and who relies on us to make him visible to the world.
Zeal for defending the Faith is not enough. There is a right way and a wrong way of defending the Faith; we need to do it the right way. By all means politely complain to YouTube, especially if you’re a member, explaining that you feel the videos are inconsistent with their policy against shocking or offensive material. Don’t leave scorched-earth comments on the offending videos. If you YouTube yourself, one really good pro-Catholic video is worth a thousand objections to bad ones.
Conspicuous piety isn’t helpful either. Let’s not make a big show of telling people that we’re praying for them or that we forgive them, or go on in a highly devotional way about the mysteries of the passion and the sacraments — I mean, in public discourse engaging attacks on the Faith; of course highly devotional language about the mysteries of the passion and the sacraments is a good thing in itself.
Patience, humility and self-control can go a long way. Charity, of course, is the big thing — the one thing necessary.
Chesterton famously said that the only unanswerable argument against Christianity was Christians. Peter Kreeft has often pointed out that the reverse is also true: the only unanswerable argument for Christianity is Christians. It was an argument that conquered the Roman empire. It can conquer hearts and minds today.
The grace we need is available. Of those millions of Masses celebrated in the US every year, and hundreds of millions of hosts received, only a very few are maliciously desecrated. Even if many more are unworthily received, that’s still a lot of grace flowing from heaven.
Pray the rosary. Spend time with the Blessed Sacrament. Read the Bible, the Catechism, the saints. Love God, love your neighbor. Keep your eyes on Christ, not on the wind and the waves. Let the peace of Christ reign in your heart. Yes, we’re in a war, but it’s already won.
In related news, THIS IS A GOOD ARTICLE.

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The video in question never shows him actually receiving communion, conveniently for him. If the video did show him receiving communion, then proceeding to desecrate the Eucharist, even youtube, google and others would agree that the motives were deliberaly disingenuous in partaking of communion for the sole purpose of spreading his hateful views thus proving intent.
I watched the video where he supposedly stole the Eucharist. I have serious doubts that he is using consecrated host in his videos. It would be easy enough to steal the unconsecrated bread before Mass in most churches or even order them off the internet (500 wafers for under $8).

Unconsecrated or not, the intent is the same. He obviously doesn’t understand the difference. FSM is just trying to get the most out of his 15 minutes of fame by making fun of Jesus and His Church. He obviously has too much time on his hands.
 
A sharp-eyed AmP comboxer noticed a bag of wafers in one shot, suggesting that the alleged desecrater is actually getting his wafers from a church-supply catalogue and they are not in fact consecrated.
Does anyone know what video to which this refers?
It is important to bear in mind what this does not mean. No injury or suffering is imposed on Christ in desecration of the Eucharist. Unlike Christ’s mortal body in the passion, Christ in the Eucharist is not physically vulnerable to harm. Although desecration is a grave offense against the good of religion, the only actual harm sustained is to the soul of the descrater, both in connection with the offense to Christ and the deliberate desire to cause pain and grief to pious Catholics — as well as that pain and grief itself.
The Eucharist is still the Body of Christ (even if not a part take out of the same body that exists as Christ in Heaven), so harm done to the Eucharist is harm done to Christ. If this was not true they would not have burnt people at the stake for desecrating it.

I agree the outrage and violence may only encourage it, but one was or the other it must be stopped.
Unconsecrated or not, the intent is the same.
True, but if we discover that he’s actually not using consecrated hosts at least it’s not as urgent a matter. We put up with all the other anticatholic hate videos on YouTube.
 
A sharp-eyed AmP comboxer noticed a bag of wafers in one shot, suggesting that the alleged desecrater is actually getting his wafers from a church-supply catalogue and they are not in fact consecrated.
I’ve found the comment - by “WhollyRoamin’Catholic” - but it doesn’t say what video it’s in:
In one of the videos he is seen on an altar in a tabernacle. A contact on a Catholic messageboard said he was able to identify the church as St. Felix de Cap-Rouge in Quebec-- he contacted the pastor and bishop. They identified the boy and have asked him to not step foot in a church again.
(websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/ show_single_post?pid=28865272&postcount=35)
In another video, you can see a bag of hosts in the corner of the shot, so most of the videos are done with unconsecrated bread that people can order from church-supply catalogs.
It doesn’t make his intent any better, but it drops my alarm bells a step or two.
At least he shouldn’t be able to take any more hosts if he was before (unless nearby parishes on’t know about him). 👍
 
There are a lot of Catholics on YouTube, and some of them are helping me in my conversion process. I don’t think that we should quit visiting the site, but maybe, we should pray that blasphemous material be removed.
AMEN! Thank you for considering the Catholic Church. I will not let someone like this fsmdude scare me away from YouTube. I don’t watch his videos but I do flag them.

Please take a peek at my channel. 😉 link in my siggy.
 
I just realized something…

Those Host desecration videos could all be fake!

Remember what’s-his-name who said he recieved Hosts from Jesus and could mail them to people, and as it turned out, it was actually a hoax? I think this is a similar case: It’s all a hoax the user is doing!

I think that’s why the videos were all put back up on Youtube, too.
It’s not a hoax. He has a video which shows him going to a Catholic Mass to get his consecrated hosts. He is definitely descrating Jesus in the Eucharist.

And even if this was a hoax, it is still very disrespectful and full of hate for Jesus for this guy to do this.
 
AMEN! Thank you for considering the Catholic Church. I will not let someone like this fsmdude scare me away from YouTube. I don’t watch his videos but I do flag them.

Please take a peek at my channel. 😉 link in my siggy.
Thanks Sandy. I’ll take a look at your channel. I think I’ve seen your YouTube username before. My YouTube username is Thunderbolt1000T.
 
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