Hostage forced to praise Islamic captors

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Jill Carroll annouced that she was forced at gun point to lie and say what her Muslim captors told her to say. If you read what they had her say it will sound familiar. Just compare it to what some liberals and some posters here say. Great minds think alike eh? Also when she was freed she was given a quran as a present. Oh I bet mistreatment and torture just made her want to learn all about Islam lol. For those who try to excuse terrorism, and you know who you are, read about what happened to her.
 
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cestusdei:
Jill Carroll annouced that she was forced at gun point to lie and say what her Muslim captors told her to say. If you read what they had her say it will sound familiar. Just compare it to what some liberals and some posters here say. Great minds think alike eh? Also when she was freed she was given a quran as a present. Oh I bet mistreatment and torture just made her want to learn all about Islam lol. For those who try to excuse terrorism, and you know who you are, read about what happened to her.
Yes, I’ve read some of their posts in news section…They seem to think they are doing it for ‘peace’ or is it appeasement?
 
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cestusdei:
Jill Carroll annouced that she was forced at gun point to lie and say what her Muslim captors told her to say. If you read what they had her say it will sound familiar…
Hi cestusdei,

It is good to see your opinion on this issue, as well (though it is little bit late, because you did not create this thread right after Jill Carrol was freed and she gave an forced “interview” to an Iraqi Moslem TV, in a decent Moslem dress, more like Saint Mary. (I am sure if Blessed Virgin Mary see Jill in that Moslem dress, she would be more happy than to see her in an unappropriate American dress, right?)

Probably you was either waiting to hear words from her like the ones she just uttered through her mouth piece of Christian Science Monitor or could not digest the good news of her release unharmed. Anyway, this shows your true intention.

Now be realistic and let’s analyze the issue with an open mind because never ever assume that every person in the world see any issue from your glasses.

As much as you have a right to have your opinion, others too, and no one is bound to see any issue through your perspective because you are no the only smart guy or human being with a brain in your head, in the world.

At the present Iraq is under American and her Coalition forces’ full military supervision/occupation. The situation is delicate and fragile because there is no proper law and order and Americans can behave whatever they like and kill anyone they like and no one will ask why they kill. No to mention what happened in the notorious Abu Ghurib Jail. What you learned is merely a tip of the burg, as media itself is telling. Coalition forces have no respect for Moslem’s holy shrines and their worshipping places. Atleast a hundred thousand innocent civilians have died. America is not even telling her own death toll to her people because the occupying forces are more interested in securing the oil fields and less in saving human lives. What they have done with their own forces in Vietnam before leaving/ending Vietnam is an another story.

Now, what descisive proof or substantial evidence you have in this chaotic situation of Iraq that Jill was indeed abducted by a Moslem militant group?

Any group of people can camouflage and give an impression that she was kidnapped by such and such Moslem group and can claim on that group’s behalf through mysterious sources.

Is it not possible that she might have been “kidnapped” by the American forces or Christian Science Monitor’s official in Iraq and kept her in their basement, to give a bad name to the Moslem freedom movements who are fighting to end the occupation of their country?

Now, let’s say she was indeed abducted by a Moslem group. In this case, what Islam has to do with that Moslem group? How do you know that that Moslem group is indeed Islamic?

An exemplery Moslem group will never kidnap any free civilian human being, no matter what unless if someone cheats during a war, such as Yvonne Ridley of U.K. who was captured in Afghanistan by the Taliban when America was dropping bombs on thier innocent poor civilians. Her capture was verifiable and Taliban officially confirmed her arrest. Did these Taliban threaten or misbehaved with Ms. Ridley during her captivity? What happened to her later when she was freed?
 
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Hi cestusdei,

It is good to see your opinion on this issue, as well (though it is little bit late, because you did not create this thread right after Jill Carrol was freed and she gave an forced “interview” to an Iraqi Moslem TV, in a decent Moslem dress, more like Saint Mary. (I am sure if Blessed Virgin Mary see Jill in that Moslem dress, she would be more happy than to see her in an unappropriate American dress, right?)

Probably you was either waiting to hear words from her like the ones she just uttered through her mouth piece of Christian Science Monitor or could not digest the good news of her release unharmed. Anyway, this shows your true intention.

Now be realistic and let’s analyze the issue with an open mind because never ever assume that every person in the world see any issue from your glasses.

As much as you have a right to have your opinion, others too, and no one is bound to see any issue through your perspective because you are no the only smart guy or human being with a brain in your head, in the world.

At the present Iraq is under American and her Coalition forces’ full military supervision/occupation. The situation is delicate and fragile because there is no proper law and order and Americans can behave whatever they like and kill anyone they like and no one will ask why they kill. No to mention what happened in the notorious Abu Ghurib Jail. What you learned is merely a tip of the burg, as media itself is telling. Coalition forces have no respect for Moslem’s holy shrines and their worshipping places. Atleast a hundred thousand innocent civilians have died. America is not even telling her own death toll to her people because the occupying forces are more interested in securing the oil fields and less in saving human lives. What they have done with their own forces in Vietnam before leaving/ending Vietnam is an another story.

Now, what descisive proof or substantial evidence you have in this chaotic situation of Iraq that Jill was indeed abducted by a Moslem militant group?

Any group of people can camouflage and give an impression that she was kidnapped by such and such Moslem group and can claim on that group’s behalf through mysterious sources.

Is it not possible that she might have been “kidnapped” by the American forces or Christian Science Monitor’s official in Iraq and kept her in their basement, to give a bad name to the Moslem freedom movements who are fighting to end the occupation of their country?

Now, let’s say she was indeed abducted by a Moslem group. In this case, what Islam has to do with that Moslem group? How do you know that that Moslem group is indeed Islamic?

An exemplery Moslem group will never kidnap any free civilian human being, no matter what unless if someone cheats during a war, such as Yvonne Ridley of U.K. who was captured in Afghanistan by the Taliban when America was dropping bombs on thier innocent poor civilians. Her capture was verifiable and Taliban officially confirmed her arrest. Did these Taliban threaten or misbehaved with Ms. Ridley during her captivity? What happened to her later when she was freed?
Moslem freedom group? Sorry, we already freed them, from Saddam. They run their own country now. I cannot believe you are trying to push this here after the previous beheadings of journalists in Iraq. Believe what you will…
 
This is ridiculous. No sane person denies she was abducted by Islamic terrorists. She herself has been telling what they did to her. We have other examples in the past. Does the name Daniel Pearl ring a bell?

Using such logic I can argue that in fact the US did not invade Iraq. It was those pesky Icelanders. They are just using propaganda to blame America. Don’t you see!!! It’s all Icelands fault. And if you deny this you are just an Icelandic dupe.
 
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cestusdei:
This is ridiculous. No sane person denies she was abducted by Islamic terrorists. She herself has been telling what they did to her. We have other examples in the past. Does the name Daniel Pearl ring a bell?

Using such logic I can argue that in fact the US did not invade Iraq. It was those pesky Icelanders. They are just using propaganda to blame America. Don’t you see!!! It’s all Icelands fault. And if you deny this you are just an Icelandic dupe.
Iceland!!! I love it!!!:rotfl:
 
It’s true! Those sneakly Icelander’s kidnapped her. You can’t trust them one bit. Muslim logic…an oxymoron. With an emphasis on the later half of the word.
 
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cestusdei:
It’s true! Those sneakly Icelander’s kidnapped her. You can’t trust them one bit. Muslim logic…an oxymoron. With an emphasis on the later half of the word.
Name-calling an entire faith?

Can you please explain how such juvenile behavior makes Christ active in the world?

What spirit are you spreading with posts like these?
 
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pro_universal:
Name-calling an entire faith?

Can you please explain how such juvenile behavior makes Christ active in the world?

What **spirit **are you spreading with posts like these?
i think he drinks some before he posts his ridiculous claims if you know what i mean
 
I am making light of the idea that Jill was kidnapped by the Christian Science Monitor in order to make Islamic terrorists look bad. If you want to criticize something I think that insane notion would be the place to start. But I guess no matter how far fetched the propaganda is there is always someone who will believe it.
 
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cestusdei:
I am making light of the idea that Jill was kidnapped by the Christian Science Monitor in order to make Islamic terrorists look bad. If you want to criticize something I think that insane notion would be the place to start. But I guess no matter how far fetched the propaganda is there is always someone who will believe it.
You chose to make light of this claim by calling all “Muslim logic” a name.

I presume you don’t claim to be above saying silly things. Do you think it’s appropriate for other people to take your ill-thought comments wherever they find them and say “Ugh, Christian logic”?
 
pro, take a look at what your buddy Randal says on the other thread about the Taliban. He loves them and admits it. He says we should have befriended them and HELPED them to create the perfect Islamic society. I am not making this up. The guy is a terrorist. Can even you not condemn this?
 
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cestusdei:
pro, take a look at what your buddy Randal says on the other thread about the Taliban. He loves them and admits it. He says we should have befriended them and HELPED them to create the perfect Islamic society. I am not making this up. The guy is a terrorist. Can even you not condemn this?
I can, but I don’t see how you can. All killing of civilians is wrong and evil. You, on the other hand, believe it’s perfectly moral to kill millions of people and wipe out other faiths’ holy sites as “retaliatory strikes” or “deterrance measures.”

But this is misdirection…the issue on this thread is you insulting another faith by calling it petty names. I find it telling that you have no answer for this behavior, but instead have to point to what other people to do in order to try and divert attention from yourself.
 
Let’s see…Joel, nee Abdul, was going to be murdered. I, the mean guy, cared. You didn’t give a damn. You don’t care about innocent deaths. Only about being considered “compassionate and politically correct”. It’s all liberal guilt. You can’t dare criticize people of another color or religion because that’s a no no. But you go after me even though I have never killed anyone and am a danger to no one. The real terrorists get off scot free with you. Typical liberal. It’s all about appearences.
 
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cestusdei:
Let’s see…Joel, nee Abdul, was going to be murdered. I, the mean guy, cared. You didn’t give a damn. You don’t care about innocent deaths. Only about being considered “compassionate and politically correct”. It’s all liberal guilt. You can’t dare criticize people of another color or religion because that’s a no no. But you go after me even though I have never killed anyone and am a danger to no one. The real terrorists get off scot free with you. Typical liberal. It’s all about appearences.
How dare the man who wants to nuke millions of innocent people accuse me of not caring about innocent deaths.

You accuse me of this because you have no other defense, and because you are a petty little man who brings shame to his order and dishonors his vow.
 
How dare you attack me when I killed no one and then ignore the very ones who really are terrorists and really do kill real people. You just can’t admit that there is a problem with Islamic terrorism no matter what they do or who they kill.
 
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cestusdei:
How dare you attack me when I killed no one and then ignore the very ones who really are terrorists and really do kill real people. You just can’t admit that there is a problem with Islamic terrorism no matter what they do or who they kill.
I dare to call you on your unChristian and evil support for killing muslims because you are a Priest, and it is an especially vicious attack on our faith that you consistently misrepresent the message of peace to members of other faiths.

I also dare to call you on infantile behavior, because that’s what name calling is, and that’s what you did. The fact that there are terrorists out in the world does not give you the right to behave like a schoolboy while representing yourself as a priest.
 
You support their killing Christians. You were so unconcerned for Joel in Afghanistan. I was the one who started the thread to encourage support. You support them because you blindly ignore the threat and refuse to call them to account. Let me guess. You think it’s all Bush’s fault. You are just another America bashing liberal who finds it convenient to create a conservative fiend then to deal with the real fiends. I have met many like you.
 
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