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ConstantineTG
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Given what I said anyone should be able to go into the Traditional Forum and not met with hostility.
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malphono
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By George, that sounds just about right.
(But, I think it’s more like 6 languages in the East and Orient: (Greek, Syriac, Coptic, Ge’ez, Armenian, and Church Slavonic). 
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ConstantineTG
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That is why our faith is based on Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterial teaching of the Church. It ensures the faith is faithfully transmitted, regardless of the language or context of the time. If we rely solely on a language to faithfully transmit our faith, then we’re nothing more than Sola Scriptura, because we only rely on the writings, not Tradition, not the Magisterium
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Ockham
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“An effort will be made to make common Latin chants popular during this year. With this aim in mind the Archdiocesan Coordinator for Liturgy, together with Mr Francis D’ Almeida will be organising sessions of practice in all 15 deaneries and teach all choirs some basic Latin chants which could be used in parishes and institutions. Once these practice sessions take place parishes may sing at least the Kyrie, Gloria, Sanctus and Agnus Dei at parish Sunday Masses on the first Sunday of the month. No. 36 of the Constitution on the Scared liturgy clearly sets forth the principles in this regard. **Latin still remains the main liturgical language of the Church. In Sri Lanka we made a mistake in abandoning the language of our worship altogether. **Let this Eucharistic Year be an occasion for us to resuscitate this lost tradition at least to some extent. I appeal to all priests, religious and laity to cooperate.”
+Malcolm Ranjith
Archbishop of Colombo
archdioceseofcolombo.com/news.php?id=1014
+Malcolm Ranjith
Archbishop of Colombo
archdioceseofcolombo.com/news.php?id=1014
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malphono
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That’s probably the most apropos citation you could have posted. Thanks.
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utah_rose
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What I don’t understand is why some priests absolutely in defiance of the Pope not only refuse to recognize this Mass but don’t want any part of learning Latin to say this Mass.
Both of our priests refused to, so we are attending pretty regularly another Mass at another parish where a Polish priest despite English speaking problems has mastered this Mass. We did inform our pastor that we are attending the Tridentine Mass occasionally and he did give a thumbs up so perhaps his attitude is changing.
If you’re more comfortable attending the NOR Mass, go ahead. We do sometimes, but find the TLM Mass more reverential.
I just have a problem of why when Pope Benedict is promoting this Mass, so many priests and Bishops are against it.
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Annabelle_Marie
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You would think so…won’t you? If traditionalist want there not to be a biasis against the TLM or a Latin phobia if you will…won’t it make more sense not to be hostile?
To me…on one side is people like this rather rude lady who yells during Mass
and on the other side is people who are like Latin all the time/TLM all the time. If it’s a little bit of Latin its not enough…people are too lazy to learn Latin…etc. Isn’t there some middle ground? It just seems like lines get drawn in the sand. I highly doubt that this is what the Pope intends.I for one…won’t mind a little bit of Latin here and there…as long as someone can say what it means…or it replaces something in the NO that I know what it means. Someone here posted something in Latin but wouldn’t translate. I’m not going to go look it up. And people will say I’m too lazy or I don’t care enough about God. This is what drives people into a Latin phobia…although nothing excuses that ladys rudeness.
As far as priests and bishops having a biasis against the TLM…well I know in my parish…where would we fit it in? We have 2 Sunday NO Masses that are full and one spanish speaking Mass–also full—really standing room only kind of full. We don’t have another priest so where would the TLM come in? Maybe at another parish in town that has more then one priest…but there are 3 with one priest only.
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Ockham
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Who is being hostile?
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ProVobis
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“To brzmi lepiej niż angielski.” (It does sound better than the English)
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ProVobis
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That is not what I derived. Perhaps you should reread that post. There is a higher probabilty (but definitely not certainty) in preserving the truth by going from A to B or A to D (which is bad enough) than by going from A to B to C to D. Saying “regardless of the language” can only promote increasing distortion of the truth, which is what happened in the 60’s and 70’s.
Truth is precise; translations are not.
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Ockham
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Isn’t that why a new OF missal is coming out? The previous was badly translated?
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ConstantineTG
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But our faith is not based solely on translations and texts. If we rely only on the accuracy of text, then we’re some form of Sola Scriptura, we can’t go beyond what the text tells us. That is not the Catholic faith.
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ProVobis
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Then of what value is our whole educational system?
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ProVobis
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That’s the perception.
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kozlosap
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I think that some Latin in the NO is welcome and beautiful, however, am I the only person here who remembers what mass was like circa 1960? Many people sat in the pews and said Hail Mary’s or did private devotions during the Latin parts of the Mass, and then, if by magic scurried back to their pews (away from their personal Saints and candles) as soon as the bell indicating consecration was rung. Others just sat in the pews and watched (observation of an 8 year old) until the Our Father. The priests at our parish all are fully capable of reading and speaking Latin - they are Jesuits with the equivalent of doctorates in theology. Our poor choir is another story - I don’t think they can even speak English, LOL!
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GaryTaylor
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Sounds right to me.
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ProVobis
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So much for the vernacular in helping to understand the Mass.Our poor choir is another story - I don’t think they can even speak English, LOL!
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Layman
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Again, this is bad reasoning. A straw man, I think.
No one is relying solely on the accuracy of the text to transmit the faith. I say it helps. A great deal. And that to drop it for the vernacular is a mistake.
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Layman
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Then why prolong it? You are posting contra-Latin in the Traditional Roman Catholicism sub-forum. A forum for debate about traditional Roman Catholic spirituality.
It helps do so in the Roman Catholic Rite, for reasons explained previously. What a beautiful way to protect the rite from local ignorance and experimentation and let a priest from Ghana say Mass in New York, easily . Kind of mad to drop it, really.
Trent consolidated the Roman Rite and Vat. II, in an exercise in damage limitation, against the pre-1970’s experimenters, nevertheless loosened it up again. Now you really don’t know what you’re going to get when you walk into a strange R.C. church on a Sunday.
See previous remark.
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ConstantineTG
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Sorry but that is the perception I’m getting from the others.
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