Hot Chocolate While Fasting

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I found this to be most interesting: From: mexconnect.com/articles/1469-when-the-church-said-no-to-chocolate
" Liquidum non frangit jejunum." [Liquids (including chocolate) do not break the fast.] It is likely that this decision was based on the fact that chocolate, like so many other herbs, was considered to have medicinal qualities
So is it still okay to drink hot chocolate while we fast?

The traditional interpretation was that not even alcoholic beverages break the fast. The rationale is that fast restricts only solid meal.

The traditional Eucharistic fast was different, it restricted also water and any kind of liquid with exception for medicines.
 
I found this to be most interesting: From: mexconnect.com/articles/1469-when-the-church-said-no-to-chocolate

By the late 1600’s, the grand ladies of the land had become so fond of this frothy beverage (Hot Chocolate) that they were accustomed to having it served to them frequently, even in church. As justification for their enjoyment, they referred to its medicinal use, and claimed it prevented fainting and “weakness” during the long ceremonies. One bishop considered it a blatant abuse, and forbad the practice. Drinking chocolate in church obviously broke the fast laws. (Not to mention that so much pleasure must be pagan!) The ladies, in retaliation, simply took themselves and their entourage to another church. A rumor holds that the offending clergyman later died of a cup of poisoned chocolate. The whole affair became a fearful scandal. Eventually, in 1662, Pope Alexander VII put a final solution to the affair when he declared " Liquidum non frangit jejunum." [Liquids (including chocolate) do not break the fast.] It is likely that this decision was based on the fact that chocolate, like so many other herbs, was considered to have medicinal qualities

So is it still okay to drink hot chocolate while we fast?
I am not sure of the veracity of the story since the phrase itself (to my limited knowledge) is not found in canon law - indeed, quite the opposite since the church restricted intake of liquid food as well and certainly by the beginning of the 19th century, tea, coffee and chocolate were counted among these, as an examination of moral theology books shows. It is only in the 20th century that the law became more permissive toward liquid food. The story might well be true, but it could also be one fo those things repeated without verification

On the other hand, the last sentence may contain the clue,because these types of liquids *were *allowed during fast periods if taken for medicinal reasons but without milk or thick sweeteners like honey.
 
The point of fasting is denying the senses their pleasures for spiritual edification. We are here on Earth for a penance, in order to receive Holy God with perfection. All these ridiculous questions disgust me, to be honest. Chocolate is a pleasure, no matter how medicinal, and thus it must be disregarded during a fast. It seems that the entire point of fasting is lost in technical questions and attempts to get out of it. For me, fasting should be a general state of X calendar days that includes a denial of personal pleasures. Technicalities mean nothing when you are trying your hardest to do what is difficult and not what is easy. 🙂
 
The point of fasting is denying the senses their pleasures for spiritual edification. We are here on Earth for a penance, in order to receive Holy God with perfection. All these ridiculous questions disgust me, to be honest. Chocolate is a pleasure, no matter how medicinal, and thus it must be disregarded during a fast. It seems that the entire point of fasting is lost in technical questions and attempts to get out of it. For me, fasting should be a general state of X calendar days that includes a denial of personal pleasures. Technicalities mean nothing when you are trying your hardest to do what is difficult and not what is easy. 🙂
Wow that’s an awfully grim outlook…
 
=CHRISTINE77;7558851]I found this to be most interesting: From: mexconnect.com/articles/1469-when-the-church-said-no-to-chocolate
By the late 1600’s, the grand ladies of the land had become so fond of this frothy beverage (Hot Chocolate) that they were accustomed to having it served to them frequently, even in church. As justification for their enjoyment, they referred to its medicinal use, and claimed it prevented fainting and “weakness” during the long ceremonies. One bishop considered it a blatant abuse, and forbad the practice. Drinking chocolate in church obviously broke the fast laws. (Not to mention that so much pleasure must be pagan!) The ladies, in retaliation, simply took themselves and their entourage to another church. A rumor holds that the offending clergyman later died of a cup of poisoned chocolate. The whole affair became a fearful scandal. Eventually, in 1662, Pope Alexander VII put a final solution to the affair when he declared " Liquidum non frangit jejunum." [Liquids (including chocolate) do not break the fast.] It is likely that this decision was based on the fact that chocolate, like so many other herbs, was considered to have medicinal qualities
So is it still okay to drink hot chocolate while we fast?
YES! Absolutely:thumbsup:

This issue falls under “church practices” which means it is changeable.

Current fasting is: Ash Wednsday and Good Friday: “refriam from all meat products” and have ONLY one full meal each day.

For the other Friday’s in Lent: Abstain from meat products

ALL OTHER FASTING IS NOW OPTIONAL.

Ilness nd Old-age both void the need to fast as a REQUIREMENT.

God Bless,
Pat
 
Fasting is only worthwhile when it is difficult. 🙂
Not necessarily. Not our actions, but God’s grace brings the salvation. The value of the fast is to subdue ourselves to Jesus Christ through the Church.
 
Not necessarily. Not our actions, but God’s grace brings the salvation. The value of the fast is to subdue ourselves to Jesus Christ through the Church.
I was really referring to the value of fasting for personal spiritual development, not the salvation of our souls. (Yes I know they are linked)
Is abstinence from meat worthwhile?
I was thinking of fasting as a reduction in dietary intake. I hadn’t thought about this.

If abstinence from meat is sufficiently easy, we might consider additional penances.

Still what I said was wrong. I change my view from ‘worthless’ to ‘worth less’.
 
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