Hours in the public swimming pool for women only

[fpt]

In my country, in France, there is a debate concerning the time planning in the public swimming pools in order to reserve some hours for only women. This asking is coming from muslim women.

What is your point of view like catholic, then catholic woman and catholic man?

 

[Corki]

In my country, in France, there is a debate concerning the time planning in the public swimming pools in order to reserve some hours for only women. This asking is coming from muslim women.

What is your point of view like catholic, then catholic woman and catholic man?

When I was growing up, it was the usual practice for public and neighborhood pools to have some times for women only. It wasn’t about religion, just common decency and modesty.

 

[Luna_Lovecraft]

In my country, in France, there is a debate concerning the time planning in the public swimming pools in order to reserve some hours for only women. This asking is coming from muslim women.

What is your point of view like catholic, then catholic woman and catholic man?

I don’t have a problem with it as long as there are men-only times if the guys ask for one.

There are family swim times at the pool at my gym - times set aside for little ones and their parents to play lane-free - and no one has caused a ruckus.

 

[JRRTFAN]

In my country, in France, there is a debate concerning the time planning in the public swimming pools in order to reserve some hours for only women. This asking is coming from muslim women.

What is your point of view like catholic, then catholic woman and catholic man?

I can understand women wanting a “women only” “seniors only” “kids only” time as a time for exercise, training, etc., but in these parts, religious exemptions are forbidden.

 

[grasscutter]

I don’t have a problem with this. My daughter used to work at a women’s only gym in an area with a large Muslim population. If a male repairman was on site, it was their policy to post a notice of that. Regardless of religion, sometimes we want to just be with our own gender or age group.

 

[Kouyate42]

So if I asked for a men-only session, I’d get it? Likely not. Seems gender segregated events work in one direction only.

 

[grasscutter]

So if I asked for a men-only session, I’d get it? Likely not. Seems gender segregated events work in one direction only.

I’m not sure. In Canada, there are men-only exercise sessions and classes (for example, “Yoga for Stiff Guys” offered through a local city parks and recreation department). I don’t know what it’s like in other countries.

 

[Kouyate42]

I’m not sure. In Canada, there are men-only exercise sessions and classes (for example, “Yoga for Stiff Guys” offered through a local city parks and recreation department). I don’t know what it’s like in other countries.

Checking local facilities close to me, it seems there’s sessions for toddlers/parents, seniors, under 16s, women and indeed anyone other than men.

Which is a shame as I’d personally prefer to be in a men-only exercise session.

 

[grasscutter]

Checking local facilities close to me, it seems there’s sessions for toddlers/parents, seniors, under 16s, women and indeed anyone other than men.

Which is a shame as I’d personally prefer to be in a men-only exercise session.

Hmm… that’s unfortunate. Maybe you could approach your local city council to rectify that? Or, maybe they wouldn’t be understanding…?

 

[fpt]

For me, segregation is objectively sinful. Thus, the separation between sex only because of religion is not good.

In addition, I think that this demand is, per se, religious with the purpose of change french society: egality and equity between men and women.

This demand is politic and religious. For me it is very strange. I am very prudent with islam. Islam is a religion, a political power, a social law, a moral law… too much. No distinction between temporal and spiritual.

 

[JimG]

For me, segregation is objectively sinful. Thus, the separation between sex only because of religion is not good.

In addition, I think that this demand is, per se, religious with the purpose of change french society: egality and equity between men and women.

This demand is politic and religious. For me it is very strange. I am very prudent with islam. Islam is a religion, a political power, a social law, a moral law… too much. No distinction between temporal and spiritual.

Segregation is objectively sinful? Really? That caught my eye. I went to an all-male school at a time when there were many colleges for men only and for women only. Lately, I hear that many would like a return to single sex education if for no other reason than to be able to put the emphasis on education again instead of distracting social relations.

There are religious orders of men; there are religious orders of women. So far, there are still separate mens and women’s bathrooms. Is that sinful? There are women’s organizations; there are men’s organizations. I don’t see a problem with it.

 

[Kouyate42]

Hmm… that’s unfortunate. Maybe you could approach your local city council to rectify that? Or, maybe they wouldn’t be understanding…?

I doubt it, and not given my reasoning for requesting this.

For me, segregation is objectively sinful. Thus, the separation between sex only because of religion is not good.

In addition, I think that this demand is, per se, religious with the purpose of change french society: egality and equity between men and women.

This demand is politic and religious. For me it is very strange. I am very prudent with islam. Islam is a religion, a political power, a social law, a moral law… too much. No distinction between temporal and spiritual.

I cannot see how this is an issue. Schools, including Catholic ones, have operated gender-segregated schools since forever, and there exist other facilities which have similar gender segregation- my own gym has a ‘women’s only’ section. It’s been proven in schools that such segregation actually IMPROVES grades.

Fact is that the two genders have very different needs, and so it’s only right that this is catered for. Women’s toilets for example have sanitary bins, and dispensers for sanitary towels and tampons, and men’s toilets have urinals. Different needs, different facilities.

Plus, I doubt that too many women would be happy undressing/dressing infront of a strange man, and vice versa. Hence why there’s male/female changing rooms.

 

[Luna_Lovecraft]

So if I asked for a men-only session, I’d get it? Likely not. Seems gender segregated events work in one direction only.

How do know you that? Have you asked? What were you told when you were turned down?

 

[fpt]

Segregation is objectively sinful? Really? That caught my eye. I went to an all-male school at a time when there were many colleges for men only and for women only. Lately, I hear that many would like a return to single sex education if for no other reason than to be able to put the emphasis on education again instead of distracting social relations.

There are religious orders of men; there are religious orders of women. So far, there are still separate mens and women’s bathrooms. Is that sinful? There are women’s organizations; there are men’s organizations. I don’t see a problem with it.

Perhaps, that my point of view was not clear. Thus, I rewrite my thought like following:

My fear is that in the future, these timetables for women become the rule, because Islam will take a great influence. May be I am so prudent or too much scared by this religion.

By principle, public swimming pools have to stay opened for men and women. Separation why not, if and only if there is liberty, freedom, thus choice.

Segregation is without choice. I want to protect my French culture.

 

[Kathryn_Ann]

Segregation is objectively sinful? Really? That caught my eye. I went to an all-male school at a time when there were many colleges for men only and for women only. Lately, I hear that many would like a return to single sex education if for no other reason than to be able to put the emphasis on education again instead of distracting social relations.

There are religious orders of men; there are religious orders of women. So far, there are still separate mens and women’s bathrooms. Is that sinful? There are women’s organizations; there are men’s organizations. I don’t see a problem with it.

I agree with you on this, JimG. Thank you for posting.:heaven:
Kathryn Ann

 

[Luna_Lovecraft]

For me, segregation is objectively sinful. Thus, the separation between sex only because of religion is not good.

So we need to do away with all sex-specific restrooms, changing rooms, showering facilities and saunas? How would that work in real life? There are plenty of Christians who could cogently argue Biblical reasons why we’re sex-separated in these areas now. Same with Jews, some of whom live even more sex-segregated lives than the majority of Christians.

Because the way I’m reading this it’s women who are asking for women-only swim times, not Muslimah-only swim times. If they weree asking for Muslimah-only perks, then - yes - it’s based in religion. But they way you framed your question made it seem it was women who happen to be Muslim who are asking for this.

Again, I don’t see the problem with sex-specific swim times as long as everyone has fair and equal access to the same facilities.

Luna

 

[Corki]

For me, segregation is objectively sinful.

You may say that segregation by sex is distasteful to you but there is nothing in Church teaching or Scripture that would make it objectively sinful.

 

[JimG]

Perhaps, that my point of view was not clear. Thus, I rewrite my thought like following:

My fear is that in the future, these timetables for women become the rule, because Islam will take a great influence. May be I am so prudent or too much scared by this religion.

By principle, public swimming pools have to stay opened for men and women. Separation why not, if and only if there is liberty, freedom, thus choice.

Segregation is without choice. I want to protect my French culture.

Ah, well now I understand better your point of view. It is not so much the gender segregation in itself, but the removal of freedom of association and free access to the public pools.

I can understand that one might be concerned if public pools were segregated by sex most of the time, because there would be little time left for family or mixed group activities. Certainly most of the public pools that I know of are not gender segregated. As others have noted, there may be instances where times are set aside for women only or for children only. I have no objection to that, but I would not like to see sex segregation become the de facto norm.

 

[Kouyate42]

How do know you that? Have you asked? What were you told when you were turned down?

I asked at a small local swimming pool and I was told that it ‘wasn’t one of their considerations right now’

I was told that I could happily come to an existing women-only session (I’m biologically female) but I didn’t really feel like going into the whole transgender thing to be fair.

 

[grasscutter]

I asked at a small local swimming pool and I was told that it ‘wasn’t one of their considerations right now’

I was told that I could happily come to an existing women-only session (I’m biologically female) but I didn’t really feel like going into the whole transgender thing to be fair.

Well, I understand how awkward and problematic that could be. It’s much more complex than a biologically male person asking for male only swim/exercise sessions.