House chaplain forced out by Ryan

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LeafByNiggle said:
You can give up on the winners and losers prayer. Paul Ryan himself that no one prayer was responsible for his decision.
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lmachine said:
he didn’t say there were winners and losers,
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winners and losers

he picked winners and losers in more than one way.
LeafByNiggle said:
Did Paul Ryan himself actually say he would not have dismissed the chaplin without Pelosi’s OK? I don’t think so. I think the whole story about asking permission of Pelosi was from Strong, the spokesman. I suspect Strong just misspoke or got the story wrong. Pelosi was notified as a courtesy. That is all. There was no waiting for her OK.
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it is all he said, she said, until we have more info. you will believe pelosi and i won’t
lmachine said:
If Republicans believe their tax bill did that then they shouldn’t have a problem with Conroy’s prayer.
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why would you talk about losers when almost everyone is a winner.
 
upant said:
she is at fault because she is politicizing it. she had a chance to stop the removal but didn’t. she set him up for a round of politicking
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I’d call that smart. Why should Pelosi cover for Ryan?

If he can’t stand up to the bigots in his caucus who were offended by the Catholism of the chaplain, he should take the fall. Once more Ryan proves that he worships the gods of money & power over the one true God.

I hear they want a Protestant or better yet, a prosperity gospel preacher like Joel Olsteen. Make them feel pious about sticking it to the poor in order to benefit the rich.
 
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upant said:
we know the dems position doesn’t support all people especially people of religion.
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The Democrats didn’t just fire a priest for preaching the Gospel. The GOP seems to attract a lot of “people of religion” who would find Jesus offensive if they ever met him.
 
Luke6_37 said:
The Democrats didn’t just fire a priest for preaching the Gospel.
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how taxes are levied isn’t the gospel.
Luke6_37 said:
The GOP seems to attract a lot of “people of religion” who would find Jesus offensive if they ever met him.
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the dems did a lot worse, taking the little sisters of the poor to court.

how do you reconcile your catholic faith with these democratic platform items:
pre-marital sex
condoms and birth control
the morning after pill on demand
gay marriage
government-funded abortion.
lgbt rights trump religious freedom
transgender bathrooms and showers
contraception mandate against faith-based groups like little sisters of the poor
no role of religion in government
appoint pro-abortion judges
no or limited school choice
etc.

Pelosi doesn’t have a litmus test but the head of the dnc does. if you support dems you support abortion and pelosi is very clear on that.

a copy from another thread,
Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday the Democratic Party doesn’t have litmus tests for its congressional candidates — though she made it clear that if Democrats flip control of the House, they will fight for abortion rights.
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is this the party of the catholic church? seems more like a liberal protestant religious party
 
Father didn’t support any of those things. Ryan didn’t fire him for those reasons.

The visuals are terrible. Ryan a Catholic fired a priest in good standing.

Now there is talk of a married chaplain with kids being ideal. That sort of excludes most Catholic priests.
 
I was speaking to the general comment of “only in America is advocating for the poor political”. There are different ways of advocating for the poor, and they are usually political when it comes to the government.

Now the prayer, said at a moment when the government is revising the tax code, could be taken to mean “your revisions are hurting the poor”. Not saying that is how it should have been taken, but it could have been. Perhaps the Speaker felt he was being challenged for not supporting the poor appropriately. I don’t know, and neither do you. There could also have been other undercurrents going on that we don’t know about.
 
It’s always best to assume the worst about people who disagree with politically, especially when we share a religious faith.
 
upant said:
how taxes are levied isn’t the gospel.
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Jesus said, “Render unto Caesar…” while looking at a Roman coin, so taxes are most certainly part of the Gospel.
upant said:
the dems did a lot worse,
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So you admit that what Ryan did was bad. Good. That’s all I needed to hear.
upant said:
is this the party of the catholic church?
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Neither political party is Catholic, because the Catholic Church is uncompromisingly ProLife. Both parties fall far short of this ideal in different ways. If you think otherwise, you’re either in denial or full of wishful thinking.
 
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It seems political only to those legislators who realize there ARE winners and losers in the new tax bill, which include Ryan himself. Hence the chaplain had to go.
 
F_Marturana said:
Father didn’t support any of those things.
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if he sided with the dems he did.
F_Marturana said:
Now there is talk of a married chaplain with kids being ideal. That sort of excludes most Catholic priests.
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aren’t you for ecumenism?
angel12 said:
ALL Americans should be represented.
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so why aren’t they? who is the house imam, house rabbi, etc
Luke6_37 said:
Jesus said, “Render unto Caesar…” while looking at a Roman coin, so taxes are most certainly part of the Gospel.
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yeah, no, you can disagree on taxes and still get to heaven
Luke6_37 said:
So you admit that what Ryan did was bad. Good. That’s all I needed to hear.
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i was addressing your comment about people who would find Jesus offensive. not ryan, try again.

i am still waiting for a dem to reconcile the party platform with their faith.

no matter why you vote for the dem they will fight for abortion. your support for any reason is a support for abortion.
Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday the Democratic Party doesn’t have litmus tests for its congressional candidates — though she made it clear that if Democrats flip control of the House, they will fight for abortion rights.
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upant said:
no matter why you vote for the dem they will fight for abortion. your support for any reason is a support for abortion.
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You need a reality check.

Neither party has the political will to tackle the complex human rights issues that must be considered in order to protect the lives of the unborn.

The GOP is in control of every branch of the Federal government and rather than holding hearings and starting a national discussion on the ethics of abortion or what could be done to save the lives of the unborn, they rolled over without a wimper and voted to fully fund Planned Parenthood in the last budget.

In addition to their spineless hypocrisy when it comes to the one ProLife issue they claim to champion, they are resolutely aligned with the culture of death on every other ProLife cause.

They oppose universal health care, environmental protection, gun control and immigration reform, while championing the death penalty.

The Democrats fail on one ProLife issue I care about. However, the current swamp of spineless hypocrites claiming the label of the GOP fail on every ProLife issue.

That wasn’t always the case and there are some principled conservatives still on the margins, but as a whole the party of Trump is nothing more than a pack of self serving hypocrites.
 
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Luke6_37 said:
The GOP is in control of every branch of the Federal government
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did you read what pelosi said? the dems are very clear what they will do, so why are you trying to whitewash it? if a person votes for a dem, the voter enables their abortion agenda because it is prominent on their platform.
Luke6_37 said:
They oppose universal health care, environmental protection, gun control and immigration reform, while championing the death penalty.
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okay, the real issue, you don’t agree with the gop’s way of correcting america’s ills, you would rather throw money at the issues and get nowhere instead of finding a real solution. so you will cover for the dems in what really matters, babies lives.

so be it,

i will pray for you

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Perhaps he should have prayed that the tax cuts would increase revenue, since many people seem to believe on faith that they will.
 
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It’s unclear exactly what if any political dispute, however, led to the chaplain’s dismissal.
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Why are so many, on a Catholic forum, so eager to assume nefarious purpose on the part of Ryan, a fellow Catholic?
 
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meltzerboy2 said:
It seems political only to those legislators who realize there ARE winners and losers in the new tax bill, which include Ryan himself. Hence the chaplain had to go.
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Every time the Govt does something, there are winners and losers.

The tax bill definitely hurt blue state rich people who lost their SALT deductions.

The next generation may be affected unless revenue starts to align with outflow, but that problem already existed. Growth with low unemployment may allow us to reduce expenditures.
 
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