House chaplain forced out by Ryan

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Luke6_37 said:
You seem to be pretty defensive of Republicans for a person who claims not to be one. You also have a habit of taking cheap shots at Democrats - claiming they won’t spend a dime to reduce the abortion rate or that they criticized Sarah Palin for giving birth to Trig.

Pot calls kettle black.
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I think I would know whether I’m a Republican better than you would.

I’ll admit I vote Repub. I do it because none of the Dems on my ballot are prolife and none have been for years and years now. I was a Democrat and held office in the party. I knew governors and senators personally, and conducted party activities, including fundraising. I left the party when it became inescapably clear that one could not simultaneously be faithful to the teachings of the Church and the position of the Dem party regarding abortion.

Since I will not support abortion with my vote or other support, I am at present stuck with Repubs, though I am not a Repub and have never been one.
 
Luke6_37 said:
You probably don’t know the difference between a Calvinist & an Arminian. Well, ask your Evangelical buddies about it.
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Actually I do know. I also know that your HuffPo article (not the best resource on religion anyway) acknowledges that the great majority of southern Baptist preachers are NOT Calvinist.
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. I am not a Democrat, so why should I parrot their talking points?
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Good question.

The Calvinist influence in the Southern Baptist Church seems to be receding, and the concept might not have been well understood to begin with.

Seventy-eight percent of pastors responded they personally are not five-point Calvinists, while 16 percent agreed (8 percent somewhat and 8 percent strongly) with the statement “I am a five-point Calvinist.” This compares to 32 percent of pastors who agreed with the statement in last year’s survey of Protestant pastors.

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Have you ever thought of working within the Democrat party to get pro-life candidates to run, especially on a local level? Perhaps you yourself could run. Seriously, that is where it needs to start, at the local level. And it seems to me that more Democrats are pro-life, just under represented in the elected officials.
 
sallybutler said:
Have you ever thought of working within the Democrat party to get pro-life candidates to run, especially on a local level? Perhaps you yourself could run. Seriously, that is where it needs to start, at the local level. And it seems to me that more Democrats are pro-life, just under represented in the elected officials.
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Actually I did, though my wife did more than I. I well remember when she gave a speech to the State Committee in which she said the party should be supportive of prolife candidates and gave the reasons for it. Afterward she was told never to give a speech like that again because it was “divisive”.

Now think about that for a moment. “Divisive”. It could only be “divisive” if there was a “unity” that could not be “divided”. In other words, abortion was the party gospel and the party was not interested in prolife candidates. We have heard that more in recent months, and in recent years the number of prolife Dems in congress has dropped to the near vanishing point. I think NARAL and NRL both number prolife Dems at about 7.

Prolife Dems are fooling themselves if they think they’re going to change the party.
 
🤣😂

Guess I missed the “smart” part.

You’re going to have to be at the top of your game if you want to keep up with @ridgerunner.
 
sallybutler said:
Have you ever thought of working within the Democrat party to get pro-life candidates to run, especially on a local level? Perhaps you yourself could run. Seriously, that is where it needs to start, at the local level. And it seems to me that more Democrats are pro-life, just under represented in the elected officials.
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dems have more issues than just abortion for religious people to abandon them over

pelosi said it best.
Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday the Democratic Party doesn’t have litmus tests for its congressional candidates — though she made it clear that if Democrats flip control of the House, they will fight for abortion rights.
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the party will fight for abortion no matter what kind of dem gets in.
 
If you lived in Illinois you wouldn’t find that many staunchly pro-life Republicans. They’re either pro choice or quiet.
 
In principle she shouldn’t have accepted SS payments. Stinkcat does have a point. But given a choice between survival or not, certain principles tend to get abandoned. I’m convinced Randism works only if everyone subscribes. One of her books is entitled “Capitalism-An Unknown Ideal” Emphasis on the Unknown.
 
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stinkcat_14:
There are no quotes from Ayn Rand justifying her accepting government redistribution.
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why wouldn’t she accept it if she paid into it. it was forced on her.
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You are saying paying taxes entitles you to welfare?
 
It is a more like a premium like those paid for short and long term disability insurance, income continuation insurance, health or car insurance. An insurance plan most have no choice about, but an insurance plan nonetheless. Now, if she never contributed, then yes, she was not entitled to it and was participating in wealth redistribution.

Note that most of us don’t call receiving government money wealth redistribution when we are getting the benefits.

I personally view social security the same way I view car insurance. I pay into it expecting to receive it when I need it. I accept the fact that I may never need it, depending on when God decides to call me to Him. I am entitled to it providing I meet the various requirements, just like unemployment benefits. It is not the same as welfare, AFDC, section 8, or other “safety net” programs.

Okay, rant off.
 
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SuperLuigi said:
🤣😂

Guess I missed the “smart” part.

You’re going to have to be at the top of your game if you want to keep up with @ridgerunner.
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Saying you know the difference between a Calvinist and an Arminian is not the same as showing you know the difference between a Calvinist and an Arminian.

As for the rest, no worries. I’ve watched enough of Kellyanne Conway & Cathy Newman to understand RR’s tactics.
 
Ridgerunner said:
The Calvinist influence in the Southern Baptist Church seems to be receding, and the concept might not have been well understood to begin with.
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So having done your homework, you now you admit that the rise of Calvinism has been a problem in the SBC. Personally, I find it hard to believe that the number of 5-point Calvinist pastors dropped from a third to a sixth of in one year. Seems more likely they went underground.

But its the politicians, not the pastors, we need to worry about.

There really is no way to tell if an Evangelical is a 5-point Calvinist or not without asking. Calvinists & Arminians worship side by side in the same congregations, and may only differ from one another doctrinally on their definition of Total Depravity or Irrisistable Grace. However, when it comes to public policy it will have a huge impact on their understanding of the poor and marginalized.

It’s important for Catholics to understand TULIP, which is an acronym for the 5-Point doctrine of Calvinism, and be able to spot it in the rhetoric, legislative priorities, and double standard towards sinful behavior you find in many Christian politicians and conservative Evangelicals. It goes a long way towards explaining why some Christians are so un-Christ-like.

Does ousting a Catholic chaplain for preaching economic justice on the House floor, right before a vote on a tax bill designed to benefit the rich at the expense of the poor, set off red flags?

You bet it does.
 
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